Batman vs Spiderman

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
All you have shown is that you know ALOT about batman, but little about spiderman, and knowledge isn't enough, you need logic, reason, and debating ability to get your message across clear.

Funny thing is you NEVER countered my points, you just keep going off the laundry list on bat beat xxxx.

I could make a list a mile long on who spiderman has beaten.

To top it off, you said batman has only lost 3 times in his career, makes you sound hard to take seriously man.

And indeed I did counter this 100 times over.

Besides that, this is a thread of Spiderman vs Batman, and I gave reasoning behind what I said in "I believe that Batman's fighting prowess puts him onto Spidermans level, and his ability to use decipher and use any weakness and strengths in an enemies attack to his advantage and superior combat tactics and general intelligence would help him win the fight".

I believe this to be true.
There is nothing to prove.
There is nothing to counter.

OK?

Originally posted by Juntai
You never countered mine either
Only said "SPider is faster and stronger"
and pretended as if he could run across the battlefield and smash Batman's head.

And indeed I did counter this 100 times over.

Besides that, this is a thread of Spiderman vs Batman, and I gave reasoning behind what I said in "I believe that Batman's fighting prowess puts him onto Spidermans level, and his ability to use decipher and use any weakness and strengths in an enemies attack to his advantage and superior combat tactics would help him win the fight".

I believe this to be true.
There is nothing to prove.
There is nothing to counter.

OK?

I didn't eh, I put them there, and you SKIPPED them.

How is he deciphering a random match, and he's winning in hand to hand in your opinion?
Faster and stronger,, I broke down fighting to an art on this thread WAY before you came man, I fight myself.

You aren't going to use training to overcome something with THAT much of a physical gap between you.

could you beat up a polar bear?

If you train to run your entire life, can you outrun a cheetah?

Can you see better than an owl?

If you move as light on your feet as you can, can you run on water?

There's a difference in being trained to do something better, and being BUILT for it.

Spiderman's musculstature and skeleton and equilibrium have been enhanced to superhuman levels that batman can never achieve with practice, and add precog...

Why are you still trying to argue what Batman can and can't do?
I'm not trying to take away from Spiderman's character. Pointing out times he didn't dodge or got his ass beat by a lesser.
Don't take away from Batman's for the sake of trying to make yours look better.
Cause the character you're describing and the Batman are two very different people.
Yes, you are speaking "REALISTICALLY", but this is a comic world. Fictional.

Fact is, Batman can use opponents physical attributes against them.
He's thrown Superman across rooms, a guy the HULK couldn't budge.
He can take punches from Metallo and Superman, and Lobo.
I've also seen him calculate characters movements on the fly and use it to take down people as fast as the Flash.
He quote unquote "Dodges bullets on a nightly basis".
He can SNEAK UP on Superman, who can squint his eyes and see the wall of the Universe, and hear sounds cross-planetary.

These are all attributes of The Batman.

Originally posted by Juntai
Why are you still trying to argue what Batman can and can't do?
I'm not trying to take away from Spiderman's character. Pointing out times he didn't dodge or got his ass beat by a lesser.
Don't take away from Batman's for the sake of trying to make yours look better.
Cause the character you're describing and the Batman are two very different people.
Yes, you are speaking "REALISTICALLY", but this is a comic world. Fictional.

Fact is, Batman can use opponents physical attributes against them.
He's thrown Superman across rooms, a guy the HULK couldn't budge.
He can take punches from Metallo and Superman, and Lobo.
I've also seen him calculate characters movements on the fly and use it to take down people as fast as the Flash.
He quote unquote "Dodges bullets on a nightly basis".
He can SNEAK UP on Superman, who can squint his eyes and see the wall of the Universe, and hear sounds cross-planetary.

These are all attributes of The Batman.

I'm not trying to take away from anything, the fact is your arguments are going "soley on" matches that show things he can't do within his physicality, or are few and far between, mind explaining them to me?

You sound like you like batman hardcore, and you've STILL yet to answer my question, I'm waiting on it.

How is he exploiting spiderman in a random match, because spiderman can do all of the same better because he's faster.

batman cannot logically take down the flash in a random matchup, without a plot device.

The plot device was a Batarang to the leg, calculated where he was going to move.
Green Arrow has done similar feats.

Batman's whole philosphy is to plan 6 steps ahead of his opponents.
And to have 6 contingencies for each one.
In no man's land, he played ALL of his enemies at the same time, and many of them are world renowned genius'.

The key to martial arts like Tai Chi and Aikido is using an opponents strength and quickness against them and use it to hurt them in multiples of what you SHOULD be able to do.
A single well placed pressure point could render a whole side of an opponents body numb. Or kill them.

A focused strike from an expert martial artist instead of hitting an area and distributing the power across it's surface instead spikes through it, smashing it to pieces, Batman is well beyond any martial artist we've ever seen, and Bruce Lee and Jet Li for example are too fast to even record their movements. It's believed that since Batman is in much better condition and much better at Martial arts than this, that he is even faster by leaps and bounds.

Peak human in our world and in the comic world are two very different things as well. Because there is various characters who are human that are very much larger stronger and faster than any human ever could be. Green Arrow described in one issue how no real hunter could ever even think of pulling his bow, because it's double what even a strong man that's an expert archer could do. [The issue in his new series where he fought Solomon Grundy] And Batman is peak in THAT world, not ours.

Originally posted by Juntai
The plot device was a Batarang to the leg, calculated where he was going to move.
Green Arrow has done similar feats.

Batman's whole philosphy is to plan 6 steps ahead of his opponents.
And to have 6 contingencies for each one.
In no man's land, he played ALL of his enemies at the same time, and many of them are world renowned genius'.

The key to martial arts like Tai Chi and Aikido is using an opponents strength and quickness against them and use it to hurt them in multiples of what you SHOULD be able to do.
A single well placed pressure point could render a whole side of an opponents body numb. Or kill them.

A focused strike from an expert martial artist instead of hitting an area and distributing the power across it's surface instead spikes through it, smashing it to pieces, Batman is well beyond any martial artist we've ever seen, and Bruce Lee and Jet Li for example are too fast to even record their movements. It's believed that since Batman is in much better condition and much better at Martial arts than this, that he is even faster by leaps and bounds.

Peak human in our world and in the comic world are two very different things as well. Because there is various characters who are human that are very much larger stronger and faster than any human ever could be. Green Arrow described in one issue how no real hunter could ever even think of pulling his bow, because it's double what even a strong man that's an expert archer could do. And it's believed that Batman is peak in THAT world, not ours.

Fair you do alot of posting, and I understand your fighting points well as I understand them. You are going alittle to telling me HOW he'd win, which makes the discussion better. Anyway batman needs to get lucky, hes' made to do well because he has no powers, ever notice how he gets hit less than flash, and takes less damage from the same hits that stagger superman?

You mentioned messing with his equilibrium, spiderman has superhuman equilibrium, it wouldn't be as effective.

You mention these attacks, but spiderman can sense them BEFORE they happen, so he's ahead of batman.

Batman can't be ahead the same in a random match, peter is ahead the same, AND he's an on the fly thinker...

Spiderman can lob bats head off, MUCH easier than batman could get a good hit on spiderman to do anysufficient damage.

If you had a tranquilzer in your hand, and had to pin it on a tiger, would it be worth the risk of putting it on an angry tiger, who would have the easier time winning here?

"If you had a tranquilzer in your hand, and had to pin it on a tiger, would it be worth the risk of putting it on an angry tiger, who would have the easier time winning here?"

I personally wouldn't, but I'm not Batman. Batman would use that Sidekick him and Captain America both do and KO the bear. I'm not trained and battle hardened through a lifetime of training, trials and tribulations. Spiderman has an easier time doing feats than Batman, but I don't think would have an easier time winning the fight as a result,Batman knows every one of his body's strengths weaknesses and limits, and through use of super-human detective skills and combat training also surmises these things in his opponent instantly.

I'm sure nothing Batman does in the land of Super-heroes is easy.
It took an entire lifetime, he wasnt gifted with a spiderbite or crafted from clay by the gods.

Originally posted by Juntai
"If you had a tranquilzer in your hand, and had to pin it on a tiger, would it be worth the risk of putting it on an angry tiger, who would have the easier time winning here?"

I personally wouldn't, but I'm not Batman. Batman would use that Sidekick him and Captain America both do and KO the bear. I'm not trained and battle hardened through a lifetime of training, trials and tribulations. Spiderman has an easier time doing feats than Batman, but I don't think would have an easier time winning the fight as a result,Batman knows every one of his body's strengths weaknesses and limits, and through use of super-human detective skills and combat training also surmises these things in his opponent instantly.

Nono, I'm talking about you, its the same comparison with bats and spiderman in h2h, the rewards aren't worth its on troubles, see my point.

Batman has to win by the luck of what he has on him, it hitting correctly, and him pulling it out, its all luck and intangibles. To say what batman has done says little of how he will win in a HYPOTHETICAL argument.

I could make a list 1 mile long on who spiderman has beaten, spiderman beat firelord, see where that logic fails?

But that doesn't mean it's not feasible, possible or likely.

Originally posted by Juntai
But that doesn't mean it's not feasible, possible or likely.

EXACTLY, now you see my point, which is why what you put up is debatable, because its not me removing the powers, its me questioning them with logic of them happening.

Here, flash owns batman.

Alls I'm saying is that it's not farfetched to believe that if Spiderman attacked Batman.... say by punching, which is typical spiderman, especially if he believes he completely outpowers Batman, for Batman to have read his movement a distance away, judged the way he leaned his weight, the area he was looking when deciding his attack, his muscle and speed to caculate trajectory before the blow is even thrown. And position himself so that he would be able to roll off of it, catch his arm, apply a pressure point lock, and knock him unconscious.

I'm not saying it's impossible for Spiderman to beat Batman either.

All I'm saying is that I personally think Batman would win, and have now described numerous scenarious and given hundreds of facts about Batman's character suporting this idea.

One question that no one who is supporting Batman has yet to answer:

What the hell are Spiderman's weaknesses?

Seriously.

does spidey have a healing factor, how much more durability does spidey have over bats? Spiders in real life are very easy to squish.

Originally posted by Juntai
Alls I'm saying is that it's not farfetched to believe that if Spiderman attacked Batman.... say by punching, which is typical spiderman, especially if he believes he completely outpowers Batman, for Batman to have read his movement a distance away, judged the way he leaned his weight, the area he was looking when deciding his attack, his muscle and speed to caculate trajectory before the blow is even thrown. And position himself so that he would be able to roll off of it, catch his arm, apply a pressure point lock, and knock him unconscious.

I'm not saying it's impossible for Spiderman to beat Batman either.

All I'm saying is that I personally think Batman would win, and have now described numerous scenarious and given hundreds of facts about Batman's character suporting this idea.

He's going to have a hard time judging the movement of spiderman, why?

Spiderman doesn't fight in a specific "style" like batman, his is unorthodox, and he's faster.

Styles were created to counter another, he's familiar with many, but he doesn't practice up against "spidey style" everyday.

Batman doesn't have precog, and he isnt' strong enough to hold spiderman down, he's at a disadvantage.

Originally posted by jgiant
does spidey have a healing factor, how much more durability does spidey have over bats? Spiders in real life are very easy to squish.

Spiderman's musculstature and skeleton has been enhanced to support his lifting, therefore he's more durable than batman.

You punch at spiderman, he parries it with his palm, and you break your hand. 😄

whats up c-master, lots of batman fanboys today, mostly juntai.

Originally posted by Juntai
Alls I'm saying is that it's not farfetched to believe that if Spiderman attacked Batman.... say by punching, which is typical spiderman, especially if he believes he completely outpowers Batman, for Batman to have read his movement a distance away, judged the way he leaned his weight, the area he was looking when deciding his attack, his muscle and speed to caculate trajectory before the blow is even thrown. And position himself so that he would be able to roll off of it, catch his arm, apply a pressure point lock, and knock him unconscious.

I'm not saying it's impossible for Spiderman to beat Batman either.

All I'm saying is that I personally think Batman would win, and have now described numerous scenarious and given hundreds of facts about Batman's character suporting this idea.

Dude. I'm not trying to be mean. But com'on. You act like Spiderman moves at Batman's speed. If he did, then yes, Batman would win. But you must remember that Spiderman moves MUCH faster and much quicker. He puts Batman's reflexes to shame and everything. I just don't see how you can think that Batman would even be able to touch him, let alone apply any sort of pressure points?

Spidey doesn't have any set form of fighting style. He just fights randomly, using his powers and instinct to defeat his opponents. Even IF Batman had any time at all to watch Spiderman's fighting ability, he would gain nothing from it. Spiderman could just switch his moves up on a whim.

And I've even read several comics where Spiderman fought off powerful opponents while not even looking at them. One of them was when he was fighting a suped-up Spider-woman creation that happened to have hypnotic powers if she made eye contact. So he was fighting the her the whole time while not even looking at her.

So yea. Think about that for a bit.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
One question that no one who is supporting Batman has yet to answer:

What the hell are Spiderman's weaknesses?

Seriously.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Dude. I'm not trying to be mean. But com'on. You act like Spiderman moves at Batman's speed. If he did, then yes, Batman would win. But you must remember that Spiderman moves MUCH faster and much quicker. He puts Batman's reflexes to shame and everything. I just don't see how you can think that Batman would even be able to touch him, let alone apply any sort of pressure points?

Spidey doesn't have any set form of fighting style. He just fights randomly, using his powers and instinct to defeat his opponents. Even IF Batman had any time at all to watch Spiderman's fighting ability, he would gain nothing from it. Spiderman could just switch his moves up on a whim.

And I've even read several comics where Spiderman fought off powerful opponents while not even looking at them. One of them was when he was fighting a suped-up Spider-woman creation that happened to have hypnotic powers if she made eye contact. So he was fighting the her the whole time while not even looking at her.

So yea. Think about that for a bit.

lol, so now you're the one going "but but but but. . .I saw Spidey do [so and so]" now?
Weren't you just criticising me for that?

That works when two people have similiar strenght. In real life no one has superhuman strenght.

The difference between Batman`s strenght and Spiderman is huge. Its not comparable. A punch by Spiderman wll always do more damage than one of Batman. Skill or not.