"You make a very good argument but you left out how batman can stop Spidey from putting him in an uncompromising position. Spidey has put a leg lock on the goblins neck that the Goblin first begged him to loosen then when Spidey did(thinking that the goblin would be rational) the goblin knocked him off and stated that the hold "almost finished him"fair enough...but you have to understand how goblin got into that position in the first place.....green goblin's fighting skills don't even compare to batman's.....green goblin wouldn't know what to do outside the limits of a simple street fighter....Batman can hit with pressure points out the ass....not to mention his weapons make it dangerous to get in that close....even so spiderman would have to out fight batman or out grapple batman....given batman's abilities and history....he won't be doing that either.
Now remember recently in sins of the past you got those two osborne kids who were below GG in terms of strength but had far better fighint ability and they were martial artsing spiderman's ass all over the place. 😉
Ok...in XMA a test was done using martial artists bones and their punching and kicking power....they determined that decently trained martial artists with honed and tempored hits can be as powerful as 2000 yeah that's two thousand pounds of pressure per square inch into a given punch or kick (more pressure than is usually applied in most car wrecks).....THEN they determined (through experience from an accident) that a martial artist ribbs could take said blow with ease....ribbs are some of the weakest bones in the human frame....you can brake them by coughing too hard. The bones develop calcium deposits...the deposits fill up with blood cells and eventually the bones get harder....denser. Bones can be as durable as steel.....i.e. iron fist technique (nothing to do with the comic book character)....a man (his name escapes me at the moment, but if not him...even MY martial arts sifu/teacher) trained to punch things. hard things, he did this every day. By summoning enough energy and giving his bones enough time to heal and then work on hitting harder materials...he got to a point where anything he punched that wasn't steel would basically shatter into rubble....even said steel was dented and deformed by his fists.
of course I'm not saying that batman even comes close to being able to take or give the same amount of damage that spidey can using just brute force....but he'll be able to take spidrman's punches for sure....remember two things....first these are real world examples.....real stuff always becomes exxadurated ten fold when applied to comics...and second batman is peak human....the martial artists in the show were in very good condition yes....but nowhere near what we define as peak human level. taken those two facts and one can easily understand how batman will be able to give as well as take punishment from spidey using his fists alone.
"I can't believe that you're upset about me using a non-fight as an example cause that's exactly what that batman/hulk fight was. The only difference was I only have that picture to go on and both of us have read that bull where Batman bested the hulk after surviving a squeeze from the angry hulk."
When I used the hulk vs. batman fight, i was using it as an example that batman can indeed use his knockout gas effectively without having to put a rebreather on to do it...you're misunderstanding why that was brought up in the first place....I just didn't feel that using an example of batman getting his ass kicked when he's not trying to fight is a very good example to be using....and no offense to you, but spidey fans tend to do this all the time.
"Saying that batmans a better fighter and grappler than someone who has taken out Doc Ock, Kingpin, Carnage, Kraven, Silver Sable, Lizard, Rhino, Vulture, Green Goblins, Hobgoblins, Mysterio, Spider Slayers, Doombots,
expert ninjas, Firelord, Quicksilver, Sentinels, X-men, Man-Beast, etc... with his bare hands proves that you just won't admit the fact that Batmans outmatched here."
No. You're misunderstanding.....in terms of sheer hand to hand combat skills, Spiderman is nothing compared to batman.....say we took away batman's toys and cowl, and spiderman's webbing and spidersense.....put them in a cage and see what happens....Batman would kick the crap out of spiderman just because he's a better fighter......Spiderman uses a combination of ALL of his powers to beat these guys....His fighting ability is simply that of an overglorified street fighter....he's good at what he does.....very good....DAMN GOOD.......but in terms of sheer hand to hand ability batman has him beat in every sense of the word.
And about batman being outmatched here....that's the great thing about batman...he's always outmatched. Being an ordinary human is what makes him cool....if one wanted bad enough to go out and be batman they presumabley could......being outmatched doesn't automatically give spiderman the victory.....if this was the case Batman would have been dead a lonnnnnnng time ago.....But this is not the case....for instance, batman took down a guy (the beast) who was just as good at hand to hand combat as him, was a master at every weapon known to man, was resistant to pain, he choped his own hand off without even screaming, was more agile, and was about class four in strength, and had this nifty hand machine gun/flamethrower/gas emmitor/bayonet toy...batman took it right to this guy without even using any weapons.
"Why do you keep implying that I don't know my comics. Is it because I don't have access to a 50 year old hulk comic where he was still speaking with intelligence and falls to gas attacks? I think it's only because I'm disagreeing with you."
🙁 No man, i'm sorry if I'm being offensive to you...my bad, I apologize. It just erks me that everyone on these boards thinks it comes down to humans vs. superhumans = superhumans win...... but when you draw all their past histories into account you see loppsided victories and upsets take place all the time.....I only implied you don't know you're comics, because to me it seems like you are not very knowledible of batman outside of his shows or movies.... then you made the hulk claim....when that's simply not true either.....then you (well not really you....but tons and tons of spiderman fans) think that spiderman is going to evade EVERYTHING thanks to his spidersense....when that's not the case either (as proven hundreds upon hundreds of times). In any case, I shouldn't have gone off like that and I'm sorry to critisize your comic knowledge...I should be finding commradery with someone who shares the same interest as me not bashing them....again i'm sorry.
"Sorry about the misquote, my bad but someone wrote it and it is true. agreed?"
I agree that using the marvel vs. dc fan voted battles isn't good...but other than that i think that crossovers should count when discussing a crossover battle....I have some deeper reasoning for this...but unless you want me to send you an email about what it is...we'll just leave it at that.
" Using Batmans(kryptroniteless) victories over Superman as examples can not strengthen your argument because that isn't crap writing. It's obviously I hate superman or I love Batman writing."
No. Batman has like 3 victories over supes and 4 times where he flat out used superman for his own agendas......Even though supes is DC's muscle...bats is still the brains and i think that dc acknowledges that...which is good....it gives that whole stay in school thing some credibility....lol