Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Um the ones who are on your sides are superfans, and don't do much else but the, "he's xxx argument."Spiderman lifts 15 tons, and you aren't going to tell me that batman will roll from that and get right up, you're crazy.
He moves foward to a strong fist, and BLAM!!!Go on rotten.com, and look up shotgun suicide please, because you can't ROLL out of that.
Use logic, jeez...
Ok I am not going to tell you that batman can roll from a 15 ton punch 🙂...jeez
I'm curious, what gave you the idea of that screename?
Well you see most of us already know what life is truely is one mistake in any field of work even school could cost one his or her job or even worse things could happen. It only takes one mistake to make everything go wrong....hense why...lifeisaglich.......and mostly because it sounds cool...I went through alot of screen names before I settled on this one
Originally posted by jinzin
he's only one notch above peak humans on a statistical chart what makes you think it's incorrect?the 15x faster thing?
Please, that same stat chart that has wolverine in the same category as spiderman in strength, that category with huge gaps, from 800lbs to 50000 lbs? a almost 60x difference.
Okay. Why don't we go to the OFFICIAL marvel WEBSITE too? SAME as that encyclopedia, RIGHT? It has Shang Chi, noted to be the BEST martial artist in Marvel Comics with...a whopping FIVE fighting skill.
Sabertooth has a 5 in fighting skill. So does Daredevil. Daredevil destroyed Sabertooth.
Black Panther's ancestor beat the hell out of Captain America, but Captain America has a 7 fighting skill, but Panther has a 5 in fighting skill.
Iron Fist is not better than Shang Chi, but he has a 6 in fighting skill but Shang Chi has a 5. Shang Chi has a 5 but BLACK WIDOW has a 6???
Spiderman, who destroys people, has a FOUR in fighting skill??? So he's only slightly better than The Human Torch, who has a THREE?
Shang Chi has a 5 (the master of kung fu) and BULLSEYE, who can't beat Daredevil straight up, has a 5 too?
Kitty Pryde has a FIVE fighting skill, the same as Shang CHI? Better fighting skill than SPIDERMAN? LMAO
Okay, keep following that encyclopedia.
That could mean that the damned people could move from like 20mph to 1200 mph.
Spiderman is super strong, thus superfast, he can leap across a small parking lot.
He can probably short dash at least 100mph.
That is why spiderman is MUCH faster than torch...
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Well you see most of us already know what life is truely is one mistake in any field of work even school could cost one his or her job or even worse things could happen. It only takes one mistake to make everything go wrong....hense why...lifeisaglich.......and mostly because it sounds cool...I went through alot of screen names before I settled on this one
It does, what you need is an avatar or siggy. 😉
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Please, that same stat chart that has wolverine in the same category as spiderman in strength, that category with huge gaps, from 800lbs to 50000 lbs? a almost 60x difference.
First of all, remember how I said that Marvel is probably being intentionally vague? There's only 7 tiers of achievement here - there's a lot of room for interpretation within one tier. For instance, in terms of strength, 3 seems to be the absolute maximum for a human without any sort of enhancements, while 7 is the absolute max tier period. So you have only 4 tiers in-between for which to distribute the 100-range ton system Marvel uses for its strength statistics. That'd be about a 25 ton range per tier if each is evenly distributed.
Okay. Why don't we go to the OFFICIAL marvel WEBSITE too? SAME as that encyclopedia, RIGHT? It has Shang Chi, noted to be the BEST martial artist in Marvel Comics with...a whopping FIVE fighting skill.
As far as Shang-Chi, no he's not considered the greatest martial artist, he's only considered to be the greatest Kung-Fu master, which means he is the single best guy there is at using Kung-Fu... but that's it. Cap and Wolvie, who have 7s, are multiple masters.
Sabertooth has a 5 in fighting skill. So does Daredevil. Daredevil destroyed Sabertooth
Again, each tier is very broad.
Black Panther's ancestor beat the hell out of Captain America, but Captain America has a 7 fighting skill, but Panther has a 5 in fighting skill.
Black Panther is not his own ancestor.
Iron Fist is not better than Shang Chi, but he has a 6 in fighting skill but Shang Chi has a 5. Shang Chi has a 5 but BLACK WIDOW has a 6???
Who says Iron Fist isn't better than Shang Chi?
Actually, Black Widow has a 5.
Spiderman, who destroys people, has a FOUR in fighting skill??? So he's only slightly better than The Human Torch, who has a THREE?
Spider-Man has absolutely zero training in combat, and remember, that's what that stat gauges - Fighting Skill. If Spidey fought someone with his same powers but who had actual combat training and skill, he'd lose. Horribly.
Kitty Pryde has a FIVE fighting skill, the same as Shang CHI? Better fighting skill than SPIDERMAN? LMAO
Kitty Pryde is a superbly trained, and practicing, martial artist, taught partly by Wolverine, I believe. Of course she's better than Spider-Man. As far as being on par with Shang-Chi, again, he's only that skilled in one discipline of fighting, and thus limits himself, and again, tiers are very broad.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Yea....how do I get one??
You don't know?
Get a pic, online somewhere, and save it to your PC. yahoo and google search, are the best.
Edit it and save it as gif and jpeg...
For avatar, it has to be 64x64, and you go to "quick links". Edit avatar.
Go to the bottom of the screen, and there is a " custom option". Go to browse, and upload the saved file from your comp.
THATS YOUR AVATAR!!
Signatures have to be 450x150, do the same as you did with avatar.
Save it, and go to "quick links" edit signature. Upload your sigpic, and then you must copy and paste the code it gives you, to your sig box.
Go to submit modifications, and thats your sig.
pm me with questions...
Originally posted by Wanderer259
First of all, remember how I said that Marvel is probably being intentionally vague? There's only 7 tiers of achievement here - there's a lot of room for interpretation within one tier. For instance, in terms of strength, 3 seems to be the absolute maximum for a human without any sort of enhancements, while 7 is the absolute max tier period. So you have only 4 tiers in-between for which to distribute the 100-range ton system Marvel uses for its strength statistics. That'd be about a 25 ton range per tier if each is evenly distributed.As far as Shang-Chi, no he's not considered the greatest martial artist, he's only considered to be the greatest Kung-Fu master, which means he is the single best guy there is at using Kung-Fu... but that's it. Cap and Wolvie, who have 7s, are multiple masters.
Again, each tier is very broad.
Black Panther is not his own ancestor.
Who says Iron Fist isn't better than Shang Chi?
Actually, Black Widow has a 5.
Spider-Man has absolutely zero training in combat, and remember, that's what that stat gauges - Fighting Skill. If Spidey fought someone with his same powers but who had actual combat training and skill, he'd lose. Horribly.
Kitty Pryde is a superbly trained, and practicing, martial artist, taught partly by Wolverine, I believe. Of course she's better than Spider-Man. As far as being on par with Shang-Chi, again, he's only that skilled in one discipline of fighting, and thus limits himself, and again, tiers are very broad.
Whoops, did you argue that, that was a quote from NEVER about fighting skill.
And yes the tiers are broad, much like the lifting strength, etc.
I'm going to have to disagree with the fighting skill compared to spiderman, spiderman is a more effective fighter, though he isn't "formally trained", his own features and styles make up for that, especially at his adult age...
I'm going to have to disagree with the fighting skill compared to spiderman, spiderman is a more effective fighter, though he isn't "formally trained", his own features and styles make up for that, especially at his adult age...
It doesn't matter how strong, durable, fast, or smart Spidey is. The fact remains that despite all of his abilities, he is still merely a 'skilled brawler'. He has no technical training or skill. His ability to fight is far different from his actual skill. I know enough about fighting, but that doesn't mean I'd actually beat a guy who has a miniscule amount of knowledge about it, but who also happens to be 5 times stronger, durable, and faster than me.
Also keep in mind that the fighting skill stat takes everything into account. The Punisher, for instance, has a 6 in Fighting Skill, yet he'd lose a hand-to-hand fight against Daredevil (who is a 5) anyday, no matter how good he felt. It's because in the broad spectrum of warfare and combat, Frank's knowledge and skill exceeds Daredevil's. Matt can beat the snot out of Frank in a melee fight, but in everything else, he'd lose.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Spider-Man has absolutely zero training in combat, and remember, that's what that stat gauges - Fighting Skill. If Spidey fought someone with his same powers but who had actual combat training and skill, he'd lose. Horribly.
Then why would he be in the superhuman range of fighting skill then, why wouldn't he be in normal humans.
He has "skill", in his fighting although it isn't formal.
If a person had peter's personality and fought him, with similar powers, they'd lose, don't you think so?
Originally posted by Wanderer259
It doesn't matter how strong, durable, fast, or smart Spidey is. The fact remains that despite all of his abilities, he is still merely a 'skilled brawler'. He has no technical training or skill. His ability to fight is far different from his actual skill. I know enough about fighting, but that doesn't mean I'd actually beat a guy who has a miniscule amount of knowledge about it, but who also happens to be 5 times stronger, durable, and faster than me.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Also keep in mind that the fighting skill stat takes everything into account. The Punisher, for instance, has a 6 in Fighting Skill, yet he'd lose a hand-to-hand fight against Daredevil (who is a 5) anyday, no matter how good he felt. It's because in the broad spectrum of warfare and combat, Frank's knowledge and skill exceeds Daredevil's. Matt can beat the snot out of Frank in a melee fight, but in everything else, he'd lose.
To be fair, you can't readily rank fighting skill, because that would be left into interpretation as well.
Yes, knowledge of fighing is a factor, but people say "fighting skill" as if it is always applied, see what i mean?
Originally posted by olympian
"doesn't mean he has super human speed does it?"Spiderman does have superhuman speed. Pretty much anyone faster than a pure human peak like Captain America has it. And hes not just one level above cap in speed. Hes more.
seriously, I'd like to know what draws you to this conclussion. If you go by the stastical chart list that everyone uses in any spiderman vs. human fight...spiderman's only a good 12-14% faster than spiderman AT BEST....if you go by feats spiderman bounds around plenty of regular guys who have no formal training....THEN gets his ass martial artsed all over the place when encountering humans with high levels of training and peak human ability....
go by whichever evidence you want, but spiderman isn't that much faster at all....
his reflex speed is quite a bit faster, and that's what makes him appear so fast...but overall....I have yet to see something that states him as having "super speed"...
Originally posted by brainchild81
That pic you posted is a younger, scared Spidey who had just seen Wolvie off a group of armed men with absolutely no remorse. He doubted himself for a moment, then he got over it. Fact: In that book, Wolvie, one of the absolute best Martial Artists out there was unable to land a single blow until Spidey let him tackle him. Period.
fact: in that book spiderman gave it everything he had until he ran out of options....he then needed a strategy to break logans neck..WHICH he can't do anyways..he lost......period.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You are full of shit, I already busted you here.By saying that you are implying that batman and other peak humans are 13-14x faster than a normal human, and they are just BARELY over an olympic person.
Show me where the hell people are 14x faster, stronger, more agile, etc. in the olympics.
I didn't think you could.
Peak human is what a person can attain, but at the max, you are saying they are superhuman.
Don't post this tripe.
these are comic book suerheroes who perform feats FARRRRRR outside the limits of what an olympic level athlete could even dream....you don't seem to grasp that yet.