"If you read that story, you should also know Spider-Man was beating the crap out of Taskmaster, he only let him go because he had to take care of the fire.
And Taskmaster was running away from Spider-Man because he knew he was outclassed.
Oh yeah, remember that huge steel door - built like a safe - between Taskmaster and Spider-Man ? Spider-Man punched the whole freaking door out of its hinges with one (casual) blow.
Still think Batman can take such a powerpunch ?"
yes I do.....and obviously miscreant.......you've yet again missed the point I was making......read it again.... i wasn't implying that batman could beat spiderman because tasky fought him.....lol.....read it again....
"Becuase anyone who performs the feats he does...will have superhuman strength...if only as a by product. You do know bruce lee was known to bench press 350lbs @ a 140lb bodyweight right?"
really? and you've seen him perform this right? especially since bruce lee injured his back shoulder pressing two plates.........lol
"At one point or another...you're going to have to admit to yourself that batman is the most bullshit character in existence..."
no....you are.
"or he is, somehow, superhuman in many physical aspects."
I've already concured to this...his ability to lift weights however.....isn't one of them.....doesn't mean his punches and kicks are any less powerful....
"I mean...you do realize this thread is batman vs Spiderman right? A normal human being with spider-man's strength...would be insanely powerful. A normal human being with spiderman's agility would be amazing too (Say like DD)...Either of those should be a match for batman...but yet somehow bats can compare to spiderman...a good fighter who has both 15X the strength of a normal human and 15X the agility?"
again....it's never stopped him before....
Alright now it's time to end this once and for all ( I really hope ) All spidey should have to do is close in on Batman in a ten foot range and start spraying thick webbing at the bat funfetti style. Batman may try to close in after a quick evasion but we've all seen Spidey cone out his web spray so that would guarantee entrapment and encasement in more webbing, so much to the point of complete immobility. Retreating would cause him to be an easy target because he would have to turn or backflip and backflipping can't cover much distance. Spidey could probably get closer than ten feet to do this because Batman ain't gonna throw a explosive at his own feet and smoke may help him but he can't fight inside a smokescreen as well as Spidey can. The other tactic that Batman could not defend himself against is something I like to call the rag doll technique. Spidey can get close to batman and grab any part of his body and insta-crunch himself a handful then immediately start slinging the Bat's light 300-400 pound frame back and forth against the ground and walls until he's dead or unconcious. To say that he cannot employ this tactic would be to say that Spidey is not capable of staying alive long enough to make contact with any part of Bat's body even though he definitely has superhuman durability and can hold his breath against gas attacks much longer than a regular human. Spidey damn sure ain't gonna just sit there and get hit by a death touch and even if he got hit by it theres no saying that it would kill him due to his inhuman physiology. Sorry jinzin ol buddy but I think I got you this time. I truly believe the centrifugal force of being slung like a rag doll would make it impossible for Batman use his tricks before slamming into one solid object, then another, and another, and anoth.... Well I think you get my point. I have mad respect for the Bat but sometimes I wish that Spidey would be allowed to be as bad ass as he could be and not dumbed down whenever just to fit the underdog persona placed on him by his creator.
Cause sometimes it makes people think he's only relying on luck. peace.
Oh yeah, I forgot to say that I think the tri-sentinal was powered by magical energies and the vibranium chunk was the only way to destroy it. I don't think cap or Bat's would have been able to locate and activate that fail-safe. Even if it wasn't powered by magic it was very similar to a huge dumb Nimrod and that's saying alot. I see that your still breakin sh*t down jinzin. lol . That's why i keep comin back. Go head dog. 😮💨
Originally posted by jinzinWasn't Bat's fighting a watered down Amazo? WITH HELP from Nightwing? Spidey isn't 50% Amazo, but neither was the Amazo Batman AND Nightwing fought. Amazo is a challenge for the entire league. He should easily kill Nightwing and Bats and you know it. Heroes tend to survive s**t that should kill them because the company has to keep making money and Bats is a proven $$ cow. Comparing Subby to Supes is lame because all you really need for Supes is a glowing rock. My baby cousin beat up Superman that time I found Kryptonite in my yard 🙂 Owning some idiot like Supes when you have their absolute weakness @ your disposal isn't all that impressive when you think about it. Subby ain't afraid of a rock! Maybe a whole lotta rubbing alchohol 🙂, but not a rock. That fight w/the Hulk was BS. Crossovers are almost always lame. Bruce's back would've been broken the instant Hulk put him in the Bear Hug. Lizard would beat the scales off Killer Croc & Man-Bat. Clayface is a quality villain though. You spoke of Batman beating Tasky. Where? I'm not doubting you, I just wanna know where to find it. According to www.Taskmastersite.com, they have had an encounter so I'm close to believing you. Cap always has a slight edge over Batman. Batman usually admits it.
it's the same kind of tactic that he used when he beat down amazo......spiderman for all his powers and abilities is no amazo...hell he's not even a 50% amazo.....actually we can...it's pretty well established that caps is the be all end all H2h fighter on marvel's earth...and he has consistantly proven to be so over and over again....batman is always his dead equal in h2h and he hasn't ever had to resort to usin his more deadly tecniques to fight the good cap...
submariner?- superman doc ock?-daredevil took him out...batman's much more versatile and dangerous than the man without fear even daredevil writers have admitted to this (on more than one occasion matts been compared to a powered down batman with extra senses) tri-sentinal?-give batman some cosmic powers and see how well the tri sentinal does against him.....without them batman still has more than enough to put it away....How many gigantic killer robots have tried to take down cap and cap using just his sheild not only survvived but beat them.....man-beast-batman's already taken down the hulk too.....sandman?-clayface the lizard? killer croc....or man bat...whichever...firelord?-death.....yeah that's right death.....lol
but serously there were other factors that lead to spidey gaining a victory over hot head......two being that a building collapsed on top of him...and he blew himself up.....
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Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Batman is human. Thanks to the training he became so much more, like Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee was human but the advancements in his art made him so much more. I tell you If Bruce Lee was still with us his art and his whole being would have held a presence so magnificent, that all we can do is to look in awe.Originally posted by Zahit
respect.
Ah.... yess.... RESPECT
"Alright now it's time to end this once and for all ( I really hope ) All spidey should have to do is close in on Batman in a ten foot range and start spraying thick webbing at the bat funfetti style. Batman may try to close in after a quick evasion but we've all seen Spidey cone out his web spray so that would guarantee entrapment and encasement in more webbing, so much to the point of complete immobility. Retreating would cause him to be an easy target because he would have to turn or backflip and backflipping can't cover much distance."
first off batman's backflipped from the top of one building to the fire escape of another....he can cover a lot of distance with it and can use it at lightning speeds (hence the bullet dodging) I already realized spiderman could drop a web umbrella over his head or what not which is why I brought up batman's explosives and acids not to mention his razor edged batarangs..... it that was the case going through the webbing would be a better move than retreat in my opinion.....
"Spidey could probably get closer than ten feet to do this because Batman ain't gonna throw a explosive at his own feet and smoke may help him but he can't fight inside a smokescreen as well as Spidey can."
actually he's done it before. and easily jumped away from th pending explosion.....in the smoke...well that's where batman practically lives....in the shadows....spiderman's spider sense will make it impossible to sneak up on obviously but his spider sense can only compensate for so much....saying that he'll be able to fight better in smoke than batman is kind of ignorant of his character again (no offense)...and again I have to draw to battles where spidey's gone toe to toe with highly trained martial artists and his sense was able to compensate just enough for him to stalemate.....in this kind of battle it's still probably a stalemate....
" The other tactic that Batman could not defend himself against is something I like to call the rag doll technique. Spidey can get close to batman and grab any part of his body and insta-crunch himself a handful then immediately start slinging the Bat's light 300-400 pound frame back and forth against the ground and walls until he's dead or unconcious."
maybe......once again....it won't be easy like you're trying to say.....if he does he's risking a hand to hand confrontation with bats......as far as throwing bodies around...who's the more adept one at judo?.....I'll give you a hint....it's not the guy that doesn't wear a cape...... whether he'll actually be able to pull off an "insta crush" is debateable....guys hyped up on pcp or whatever wonder drug that was...have broken their hands on batmans face only to get KOed by a single punch in the next panal.....his bones aren't brittle....sure spidey has the strength to break them (obviously) but he's gonna have to grab batman first..and as I said before....that leaves him open to a myriad of attacks from batmans end....
"Spidey damn sure ain't gonna just sit there and get hit by a death touch and even if he got hit by it theres no saying that it would kill him due to his inhuman physiology."
Much in the same way that batman's not gonna just stand there while spidey's throwing hits at him....or just take them in the face for that matter....
" Sorry jinzin ol buddy but I think I got you this time. I truly believe the centrifugal force of being slung like a rag doll would make it impossible for Batman use his tricks before slamming into one solid object, then another, and another, and anoth.... Well I think you get my point."
you'de only have me if I consented that he's actually capible of grabbing an all out batman.....batman's gonna be throwing everything he's got at spidey and vica versa grabbing is probably gonna be pretty low on the perogative list in this fight way under brick wall smashing fists.... webbing....gas....grenades....etc..etc...the list goes on and on and on....is it possible?....well....anything's possible...about has possible as batman smacking spidey in his nerve cluster at the base of his neck and KOing him.........just ain't likely....
" I have mad respect for the Bat but sometimes I wish that Spidey would be allowed to be as bad ass as he could be and not dumbed down whenever just to fit the underdog persona placed on him by his creator."
as I do for spidey and wish that batman wasn't written so poorly at times as well.lol.....good post man.....nice try.....but realize this....I will never stop....not until you guys either give up or admit that batman is at the very least spidey's equal....if not his better....cheers... 😉
Originally posted by jinzin
that's not the ninj battle example i was using....and second it's not the mentallity of the fighter that changes the bone structure...when you train you get hit....calcium deposits are created then filled up with blood cells then they solidify it doesn't take a martial arts expert to do this...just someone who's fairly dedicated.....even I can break bones with a block with my compraitively limited training....it has nothing to do with the mental state of a martial artist but the physical one....i suggest you watch extreme martial arts....its a most educational program for said arts and incredibly interesting.....but it's all explained there...other than that i can't really explain the aspects of martial arts to someone who hasn't experienced them him/her-self....so I hope that would I WAS able to convey was enough....
C'mon jinzin, a martial artist needs the mental as much if not more than the physical to do alot of things. Granted, the pysical plays an important role but the stats of a human at his peak as far as physical conditioning goes won't be augmented to Spidey's level period with or without the mental, that being said, the mental could possibly augment the physicality of one higher than what it is even at its very peak. But to say that the body can be augmented physically to the point where one could hang with a person leaps and bounds above them in every physical aspect is ludicrous. A peak human would probably have to train in this and one other lifetime from a little after infancy to their death just to get close to Spidey's level, and that's to say nothing of the aspect of pre-cog. Think about it. There are certain limits for any human physically that they simply can't exceed without putting their mind to it. Notwithstanding, mentally, it's pretty much impossble for a human to compose his or herself mentally to take something as fierce as unpulled punches from Spidey. This is the guy that trashed titanium alloy with his bare hands before his strength upgrade. Bats may be capable of achieving certain levels physically that you or I cannot obtain, but that doesn't make him more than human. I'm sure that with the appropriate time it's a given that we can obtain such levels, Batman is NOT impossible. Given a lifetime of intense training, I could probably take eight or so Batmen with relative ease. Now given a lifetime of training to fight someone that shakes off being thrown brick walls, takes multiple bullets, punches and swats from Venom and Carnage, endurance many times that of the greatest of human atheletes (well within a superhuman capacity), lifts and throws everything from Beetles to big trucks, etc, etc......eight guys like that would literally walk through me as though I was nothing. Comparing a guy like Batman to a guy that outclasses him many times over in every physical aspect even when the opposed party has mental composure on his side, namely Spidey is like comparing DareDevil to small, small, small, small, small version of the Hulk. It's a mismatch.
god.....I realize what the mental state has to do with martial arts....I'm IN martial arts......but in terms of bone density.....mentality has nothing to do with it.....you're missing the point AGAIN! AGAIN!......you NEVER GET IT!
now you're comparing yourself to 8 batmen? pffffft sure buddy.....go down town try some rooftop hopping and if you survive come back and tell me how it went.....
see the thing is normal humans have taken it to spidey......a lot.....but hell all the comic book evidence in the world won't convince you that its a fact so I don't know what else you want me to say.....cause I sure as hell ain't conceding to your fanboy delusions....
I know that metality has nothing to do with bone density! I BROUGHT THAT POINT UP IN MY LAST POST!
And the whole point of my post was to say that Batman wa human and NOT IMPOSSIBLE and that Batman doing soom rooftop hopping is beyond what he can do. Sure he can leap a great distance but the particular building tops Bats is so fond of hopping to from one to another would have to be pretty close together to make it believable.
And I don't want to be redundant in saying that Spidey outclasses any normal human in every physical aspect many times over, and I won't as far as after repeating it in this post. SPIDEY OUTCLASSES ANY NORMAL HUMAN IN EVERY PHYSICAL ASPECT BY A GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT DEAL. It's sad that YOUR fanboy dilusions won't allow you to comprehend this.
And I said that with a LIFETIME of INTENSE training I could probably take 8 Batmen.
And referring back to Bats bouncing from rooftop to rooftop, let's look past the fact that Bats bouncing from one rooftop to another far far away is redicoulously beyond him if he is in fact still human. Spidey leaps about 3-4 stories of a tall building vertically. Horizontally, the guy would be able to cover ALOT more distance then Batman ever could, rooftop hopping is nothing he can't do. Heck, DESTROYING entire buildings with his hands and feet with nothing even remotely hurt to show for it is nothing he can't do.
first off, we're talking about comics believability shouldn't be an issue here....
second, batman building hops....get used to it.
third, now batman loses cause his vertical leap isn't anywhere near spidey's? lol..well if that ain't logical.....
and lastly, if it WAS as simple as human vs. superhuman....batman would be dead...and i wouldn't be here debating with you tonight.....and who am I a fanboy of exactly?
So...batman backflips so fast that he can dodge bullets...Wow, quicksilver better get out of the way, without that isotope E, looks like bats is gonna beat him in a race.
Originally posted by jinzin
"Alright now it's time to end this once and for all ( I really hope ) All spidey should have to do is close in on Batman in a ten foot range and start spraying thick webbing at the bat funfetti style. Batman may try to close in after a quick evasion but we've all seen Spidey cone out his web spray so that would guarantee entrapment and encasement in more webbing, so much to the point of complete immobility. Retreating would cause him to be an easy target because he would have to turn or backflip and backflipping can't cover much distance."first off batman's backflipped from the top of one building to the fire escape of another....he can cover a lot of distance with it and can use it at lightning speeds (hence the bullet dodging) I already realized spiderman could drop a web umbrella over his head or what not which is why I brought up batman's explosives and acids not to mention his razor edged batarangs..... it that was the case going through the webbing would be a better move than retreat in my opinion.....
"Spidey could probably get closer than ten feet to do this because Batman ain't gonna throw a explosive at his own feet and smoke may help him but he can't fight inside a smokescreen as well as Spidey can."
actually he's done it before. and easily jumped away from th pending explosion.....in the smoke...well that's where batman practically lives....in the shadows....spiderman's spider sense will make it impossible to sneak up on obviously but his spider sense can only compensate for so much....saying that he'll be able to fight better in smoke than batman is kind of ignorant of his character again (no offense)...and again I have to draw to battles where spidey's gone toe to toe with highly trained martial artists and his sense was able to compensate just enough for him to stalemate.....in this kind of battle it's still probably a stalemate....
" The other tactic that Batman could not defend himself against is something I like to call the rag doll technique. Spidey can get close to batman and grab any part of his body and insta-crunch himself a handful then immediately start slinging the Bat's light 300-400 pound frame back and forth against the ground and walls until he's dead or unconcious."
maybe......once again....it won't be easy like you're trying to say.....if he does he's risking a hand to hand confrontation with bats......as far as throwing bodies around...who's the more adept one at judo?.....I'll give you a hint....it's not the guy that doesn't wear a cape...... whether he'll actually be able to pull off an "insta crush" is debateable....guys hyped up on pcp or whatever wonder drug that was...have broken their hands on batmans face only to get KOed by a single punch in the next panal.....his bones aren't brittle....sure spidey has the strength to break them (obviously) but he's gonna have to grab batman first..and as I said before....that leaves him open to a myriad of attacks from batmans end....
"Spidey damn sure ain't gonna just sit there and get hit by a death touch and even if he got hit by it theres no saying that it would kill him due to his inhuman physiology."
Much in the same way that batman's not gonna just stand there while spidey's throwing hits at him....or just take them in the face for that matter....
" Sorry jinzin ol buddy but I think I got you this time. I truly believe the centrifugal force of being slung like a rag doll would make it impossible for Batman use his tricks before slamming into one solid object, then another, and another, and anoth.... Well I think you get my point."
you'de only have me if I consented that he's actually capible of grabbing an all out batman.....batman's gonna be throwing everything he's got at spidey and vica versa grabbing is probably gonna be pretty low on the perogative list in this fight way under brick wall smashing fists.... webbing....gas....grenades....etc..etc...the list goes on and on and on....is it possible?....well....anything's possible...about has possible as batman smacking spidey in his nerve cluster at the base of his neck and KOing him.........just ain't likely....
" I have mad respect for the Bat but sometimes I wish that Spidey would be allowed to be as bad ass as he could be and not dumbed down whenever just to fit the underdog persona placed on him by his creator."
as I do for spidey and wish that batman wasn't written so poorly at times as well.lol.....good post man.....nice try.....but realize this....I will never stop....not until you guys either give up or admit that batman is at the very least spidey's equal....if not his better....cheers... 😉
Strawnilla, I totally agree with most of what you say. I personally think that Spidey v. Bats is no contest, Spidey wins 10/10. But that being said, I think that you posted, not once, but twice, that with a lifetime of training you could TAKE ON 8 BATMEN?!?!?
Please tell me I am misunderstanding you. Because if you are saying what I think you are saying it may be the most ludicrous thing I ever heard!
Are you sure you didn't mean to post this: "With 8 lifetimes of training I COULDN'T even take on 1 Batman." ?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!!!