Batman vs Spiderman

Originally posted by jinzin
[Bno I'm saying batman's suit will help soften the blow, batman will roll with the punch, and any surplus force he will easily be able to take due to his bone density.....a steel door just sit there and takes it....IF batman gets hit...he won't just be standing there...that's how he survived the punches from the 10 tonner. [/B]

i get what you're saying...I just think that spiderman's spider sense is such a huge handicap cause batman has his choice of how to cloud it up.....if we're talking about mind games I think he's got spidey beat there too......there are just soo many ways that batman can take it to spidey without letting it become a physical matchup.....then even if it does...I'm more than fully confident in his ability to at least stalemate spidey....much less baet him.

how would he know about the spider-sense.
to his eyes, it would be like fighting superhumanly fast acrobat.
then he'll realize that he's also fighting someone 30-40 times stronger.
it's not like spiderman ignores ALL his other senses.
like is said bats is overwhelmed at first.....

Originally posted by jinzin
"Alright now it's time to end this once and for all ( I really hope ) All spidey should have to do is close in on Batman in a ten foot range and start spraying thick webbing at the bat funfetti style. Batman may try to close in after a quick evasion but we've all seen Spidey cone out his web spray so that would guarantee entrapment and encasement in more webbing, so much to the point of complete immobility. Retreating would cause him to be an easy target because he would have to turn or backflip and backflipping can't cover much distance."

first off batman's backflipped from the top of one building to the fire escape of another....he can cover a lot of distance with it and can use it at lightning speeds (hence the bullet dodging) I already realized spiderman could drop a web umbrella over his head or what not which is why I brought up batman's explosives and acids not to mention his razor edged batarangs..... it that was the case going through the webbing would be a better move than retreat in my opinion.....

"Spidey could probably get closer than ten feet to do this because Batman ain't gonna throw a explosive at his own feet and smoke may help him but he can't fight inside a smokescreen as well as Spidey can."

actually he's done it before. and easily jumped away from th pending explosion.....in the smoke...well that's where batman practically lives....in the shadows....spiderman's spider sense will make it impossible to sneak up on obviously but his spider sense can only compensate for so much....saying that he'll be able to fight better in smoke than batman is kind of ignorant of his character again (no offense)...and again I have to draw to battles where spidey's gone toe to toe with highly trained martial artists and his sense was able to compensate just enough for him to stalemate.....in this kind of battle it's still probably a stalemate....

" The other tactic that Batman could not defend himself against is something I like to call the rag doll technique. Spidey can get close to batman and grab any part of his body and insta-crunch himself a handful then immediately start slinging the Bat's light 300-400 pound frame back and forth against the ground and walls until he's dead or unconcious."

maybe......once again....it won't be easy like you're trying to say.....if he does he's risking a hand to hand confrontation with bats......as far as throwing bodies around...who's the more adept one at judo?.....I'll give you a hint....it's not the guy that doesn't wear a cape...... whether he'll actually be able to pull off an "insta crush" is debateable....guys hyped up on pcp or whatever wonder drug that was...have broken their hands on batmans face only to get KOed by a single punch in the next panal.....his bones aren't brittle....sure spidey has the strength to break them (obviously) but he's gonna have to grab batman first..and as I said before....that leaves him open to a myriad of attacks from batmans end....

"Spidey damn sure ain't gonna just sit there and get hit by a death touch and even if he got hit by it theres no saying that it would kill him due to his inhuman physiology."

Much in the same way that batman's not gonna just stand there while spidey's throwing hits at him....or just take them in the face for that matter....

" Sorry jinzin ol buddy but I think I got you this time. I truly believe the centrifugal force of being slung like a rag doll would make it impossible for Batman use his tricks before slamming into one solid object, then another, and another, and anoth.... Well I think you get my point."

you'de only have me if I consented that he's actually capible of grabbing an all out batman.....batman's gonna be throwing everything he's got at spidey and vica versa grabbing is probably gonna be pretty low on the perogative list in this fight way under brick wall smashing fists.... webbing....gas....grenades....etc..etc...the list goes on and on and on....is it possible?....well....anything's possible...about has possible as batman smacking spidey in his nerve cluster at the base of his neck and KOing him.........just ain't likely....

" I have mad respect for the Bat but sometimes I wish that Spidey would be allowed to be as bad ass as he could be and not dumbed down whenever just to fit the underdog persona placed on him by his creator."

as I do for spidey and wish that batman wasn't written so poorly at times as well.lol.....good post man.....nice try.....but realize this....I will never stop....not until you guys either give up or admit that batman is at the very least spidey's equal....if not his better....cheers... 😉

As far as it being easy to grab Batman, Idon't think for an instant that that would be a cakewalk but I don't believe that there are any human opponents that Spidey couldn't lay a hand on. A stalemate is their best hope or a Ko caused by a careless Spider-man. You stated earlier that Batman only fell to Deathstroke because he was TRYING to rationalize
with the guy and found out fast what Spidey hasn't seemed to learn yet.
TRYING TO RATIONALIZE SETS YOU UP! Spidey is almost always trying to rationalize with his human opponents and holding back usually causes him to get tagged eg. As soon as he started thinking that he should probably hold back against wolverine he got kicked in the gut.
Batman doesn't have to put his blows in check AS MUCH as Spidey does.Sure Bats can kill and refrains from doing that but Spidey can kill with a jab and must consider this when fighting any human until said human has shown some excess durability. eg. Shocker has a suit that absorbs impacts. In the issue where Harry Osborne's drug dealers confronted Parker in an alley Petey was thinking constantly that he hopes that he could hold back enough to the point where they couldn't make a conection.He thought " They have no idea how much I'm holding back" before he left them all unconcious. Thus grabbing even Batman would prove to be an easier task for an ALL OUT Spidey than for ANY other marvel hero. (well the hulk grabbed him but that's unlikely to happen again.) You stated something about judo and Ithink that you know what I've got for that. Spidey can stick to any surface, has phenomanal strength, and a superhuman equilibrium! Batman can't overpower him If he's all out and this should be all out for both of them.
The suit Batman wears has enough give for him to move unrestricted so
Spidey can grab and crush in this material but it won't rip so that gives him a great handle to swing Bats with. As far as Bat's weapons go I gave it some thought and realized that the green goblins BOMBS were pitched with the FULL STRENGTH of a TEN TONNER! Spidey has evaded all the lethal ones at least 99 percent of the time ( I would say 100% but you know comics. I may have missed something.) I can't see how he would get caught by weapons lobbed at human strength while he's focused and going all out from the start. You have got a good point about The bat using pressure points like the nerve cluster you spoke of to end the fight but I feel this would be extremely difficult to do considering the fact that they are both going all out and Spidey overpowers Batman despite an obvious skill advantage held by the Bat.
Batman must go all out most of the time due to the fact that he's human and can't allow for holding back. eg The non-fight with Deathstroke. Spidey holds back even against powerful foes and why he does it is not what this debates about. This fight would go to an all out Spidey realistically over 90% of the time considering both of their capabilities. If Spidey's holding back in concern for this humans life then Batman would take it at over 80% imo because he sure as hell ain't gonna hold back and is capable of ending the battle very quickly if Spidey slips up. A focused all out Spidey would be a very dangerous and very hard to hit foe. NUFF SAID

p.s. jinzin I know how you feel about your boy Bruce cause I feel the same about Petey boy. This mutha **cker can't lose! 😎 and that's about right. but one must fall in this battle 🙁 So.. everyone tell me what you think. ( j I already know you will. lol)peace 😮‍💨

Too bad there isn't a poll here 🙂. I think it would be something like Spider-Man 70 / Batman 30.

*coughing*Batman 70 Spider 30. 😄

Batman 35, Spider-Man 65 - there, I'll give you that 🙂 (and this is including preptime).

Originally posted by Mainstream
*coughing*Batman 70 Spider 30. 😄

Do you think Batman can beat an all out Spidey 70% of the time? I'd love to know your reasoning and please do try to come up with something better than "Because he will" that's boring as fk and has an air of desparation to it. Batman wouldn't want support that's that pitiful.
😆

"Batman 35, Spider-Man 65 - there, I'll give you that (and this is including preptime)."

you seriously think batman wouldn't CREAM I mean flat out CREAM spiderman with preptime? lol......you're ridiculous....

Originally posted by who?-kid
Batman 35, Spider-Man 65 - there, I'll give you that 🙂 (and this is including preptime).

although i think spidey would totally overwhelm batman without prep-time,
if bats knew enough info about spiderman (especially the spider-sense),
then he would definitely think of a way to take him out. no doubt.
although it would be a extremely tough challenge. how he would learn
about the spider-sense is beyond me.......he'd have to find a comic shop and ask...

Yeah more like batman 65 spiderman 35

Originally posted by The MISTER
.....You stated something about judo and Ithink that you know what I've got for that. Spidey can stick to any surface, has phenomanal strength, and a superhuman equilibrium! Batman can't overpower him If he's all out and this should be all out for both of them.......

If this is an all out battle then spiderman loses badly because batman does not go into any situation unprepared.

Originally posted by The MISTER
......The suit Batman wears has enough give for him to move unrestricted so Spidey can grab and crush in this material but it won't rip so that gives him a great handle to swing Bats with.......

Grabbing batman by the hand on spiderman's part is not a good move. Batman has fail save devices on his suit that he can use to render spiderman useless. Or he can just use pressure points. (But using pressure points means he will have to get dirty) So I am leaning towards batman shocking spiderman heads off.

"See the reason that going through the webbing will be nigh impossible even with acid or sharp objects is because Spidey can change the consistency of the web on the fly. It is dry sometimes and only sticky on the end and at other times it's syruppy and thick. The latter would be very difficult to evade if it's coned out and covering a large area. Truly entrapment of any sort by the gooey version of webbing is permanent unless there's some super strength being used"

okay if the webbing comes in as usuall the batarangs acid or explosives should easily take care of the situation....sabretooth's organic claws were more than sharp enough to cut through the webbing the razor edged batarang will have no problem....if the webbing comes in syrupy....any thing batman throws at it will cause a dispersment in the traajectory of the webbing itself...which is really all batman needs....if spidey did land the webbing yeah batman would most likely be done for assuming batman didn't pull away from it fast as hell the same as wolverine did in marvel knights 12...it's really batman's only way to get out...but again...that's if he gets hit with it....see my thing is...spiderman in turn as been lassoed before and put on the defnesive by a guy that was childsplay compared to even an injured batman.....we're all assuming petey's gonna rush in head first.....this is a bad idea where batman is involved.....spiderman would probably be more cautious than we're all assuming.....his spider sense might be going off like crazy...maybe not....
"I will say that I should known better than to use cartoon logic here."

lol

" The Batman in the comics would definitely be able to operate very well despite obscured vision. I just wanted to make a point of saying that Spidey would'nt have any problem dealing with smokefighting."

I would never assume that spiderman would I mean he can evade a room full of enemies in a dark room......but batman is more than capible....when that crazy guy the beast who was basically an evil russian version of captain america that used guns and was in the 4 ton range attacked batman he tear/knock out gased him in the face....smoke went everywhere...and batman just got disgruntled and proceded to kick the crap out of him.

"I really don't know how Batman could escape this sort of manuever and I've definitely given it some thought. Remember as well that even though Batman's leaps are impressive( speed and distance considered ) The web shooters' are very fast and cover great distances."

yeah but punishers put spiderman and his precious web shooters on the complete defensive while he was using one semi automatic and only "aiming to scare" or intimidate...I don't remember the word he used....but it was spidey who was on the run.....batan's already proved himself to be farrr more effective than men with guns. batman can go through the webbs as I stated above while closing ground at the same time....but he can also just as easily be putting spiderman on the defensive as well as vica versa...

"As far as it being easy to grab Batman, Idon't think for an instant that that would be a cakewalk but I don't believe that there are any human opponents that Spidey couldn't lay a hand on. A stalemate is their best hope or a Ko caused by a careless Spider-man."

or a KO caused by a nerve striking batman.....

"You stated earlier that Batman only fell to Deathstroke because he was TRYING to rationalize with the guy and found out fast what Spidey hasn't seemed to learn yet. TRYING TO RATIONALIZE SETS YOU UP! Spidey is almost always trying to rationalize with his human opponents and holding back usually causes him to get tagged eg. As soon as he started thinking that he should probably hold back against wolverine he got kicked in the gut."

lol...yeah batman always tries to talk his problems away first....hen when that doesn't work he has to do his batman thing and whoop some ass..

"Batman doesn't have to put his blows in check AS MUCH as Spidey does.Sure Bats can kill and refrains from doing that but Spidey can kill with a jab and must consider this when fighting any human until said human has shown some excess durability. eg."

yeah but again batman can take spidey's power punches using the techniques decribed earlier.....and he's not just "any human"

" Shocker has a suit that absorbs impacts. In the issue where Harry Osborne's drug dealers confronted Parker in an alley Petey was thinking constantly that he hopes that he could hold back enough to the point where they couldn't make a conection.He thought " They have no idea how much I'm holding back" before he left them all unconcious. Thus grabbing even Batman would prove to be an easier task for an ALL OUT Spidey than for ANY other marvel hero. (well the hulk grabbed him but that's unlikely to happen again.) You stated something about judo and Ithink that you know what I've got for that. Spidey can stick to any surface, has phenomanal strength, and a superhuman equilibrium! Batman can't overpower him If he's all out and this should be all out for both of them."

again my think is fancy dan....a 4 foot human being.....pathetic in comparison to batman was able to judo spiderman's ass all over the place....once again....comparatively....batman's more than capible....

"The suit Batman wears has enough give for him to move unrestricted so Spidey can grab and crush in this material but it won't rip so that gives him a great handle to swing Bats with. As far as Bat's weapons go I gave it some thought and realized that the green goblins BOMBS were pitched with the FULL STRENGTH of a TEN TONNER! Spidey has evaded all the lethal ones at least 99 percent of the time ( I would say 100% but you know comics. I may have missed something.) I can't see how he would get caught by weapons lobbed at human strength while he's focused and going all out from the start."

once again....batman's so much more precise than gg....aside from green goblins affinity for insanity he has no formal training....you can be as strong as you want....it doesn't mean you're being precise.... I defer to batman's Bullseye like aim.....ability to lead a target and another punisher vs. spiderman battle where pun lobbed a grenade at spidey feat and spidey jumped out of the way but after landing from the pending explosion he was already at punishers mercy.....

" You have got a good point about The bat using pressure points like the nerve cluster you spoke of to end the fight but I feel this would be extremely difficult to do considering the fact that they are both going all out and Spidey overpowers Batman despite an obvious skill advantage held by the Bat."

about as difficult as I think it would be to grab an all out batman.....lol

"Batman must go all out most of the time due to the fact that he's human and can't allow for holding back. eg The non-fight with Deathstroke. Spidey holds back even against powerful foes and why he does it is not what this debates about. This fight would go to an all out Spidey realistically over 90% of the time considering both of their capabilities. If Spidey's holding back in concern for this humans life then Batman would take it at over 80% imo because he sure as hell ain't gonna hold back and is capable of ending the battle very quickly if Spidey slips up. A focused all out Spidey would be a very dangerous and very hard to hit foe. NUFF SAID"
focused.....exactly....batman has his choice of how to disable parkers focus...and without it.....an all out spiderman going for the kill can't even beat daredevil.....it's that simple.

"p.s. jinzin I know how you feel about your boy Bruce cause I feel the same about Petey boy. This mutha **cker can't lose! and that's about right. but one must fall in this battle So.. everyone tell me what you think. ( j I already know you will. lol)peace "

lol....well good job man...you just keep giving good as hell debates right back both acknowledging my points and bringing new ideas and theories to the table......it's been a pleasure to debate this with ya.....but I haven't even got into the mystical ninja stuff batman's capible of....but kudos all the same.

"If this is an all out battle then spiderman loses badly because batman does not go into any situation unprepared."

yep that's pretty much the jist of it......even then.....when he wasn't.......he KOed scorpion in 3 blows.....spiderman and him are at the very LEAST equals.....how many times do we see batman go all out using all his weapons, tactical skills, failsafes, martial arts, mystical ninja abilities, batmobile and batwing homing devices, touch of death techniques...etc etc...etc....?

cause it's about 100% less than we see spiderman go "firelord" on somebodies ass....
lol

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Yeah more like batman 65 spiderman 35 if you want to go with IGN. Who hosted a tournament and asked people to vote.

I this is an all out battle then spiderman loses badly because batman does not go into any situation unprepared.

Grabbing batman by the hand on spiderman's part is not a good move. Batman has fail save devices on his suit that he can use to render spiderman useless. Or he can just use pressure points. (But using pressure points means he will have to get dirty) So I am leaning towards batman shocking spiderman heads off.

lol...wolvie thrashed lobo with fan voted claws.....nothing beats fan voted claws.....

Originally posted by jinzin
lol...wolvie thrashed lobo with fan voted claws.....nothing beats fan voted claws.....

hahaha...hey watch it man......we got our good qualities too.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Sorry buddy but I have to disagree. As much as I like Spider-man giving Batman prep-time would make it nigh impossible for spidey to win. Batman has proven himself to be the unnofficial master of prep-time use and would use the same gas that smythe did to remove Spideys powers and that would end the battle. BUT I don't believe that he can beat or escape an ALL OUT Spider-man in their first battle over 10% of the time and the 10% is given due to a combination of insane skills and luck.

biggrin giving Bats prep time would be like giving someone a load gun in a fist fight...instant win for the gun slinger.

lol...yep...pretty much sums it up right there.......love the piccolo hulk dialogue.....keep it up.