j Our posts are getting so long that I can't even quote but thats cool I know you can follow. Thanks for the props man cause I'm dong my best to stray from bias cause I,just like you, want a concise victory here and so far this has been a damn good fight so lets go. 😄
Alright now the first thing I'm going to touch on is the Scorpion comparison. You know full well that Gargan has no Spider-agility, speed, vision, equilibrium, webbing,or sense so he is in no ways equal to Spidey. Now here is what I was speaking of before- It seems that the reason many of Batmans supporters think Spidey will lose is because he is always portrayed as the one who will only win after he is proven to be out of his league and with Batman it's already established that he has no powers so he's alway's at risk but his mastery of h2h and science allow this power underdog to win every battle regardless of how immense his opponent's powers are. Spider-man has withstood repeated full force blows to the face from ocks arms and not only retained consciousness but escaped the hold and defeated ock to boot. I know that no amount of training could allow Batman to strike with the same amount of force as
a mechanical arm that can support 3 tons. That wouldn't be allowed for even with the flexible comic logic. Spiderman also - you know I think I just realized that you were saying that Batman is at least spider-mans equal. Doh! ah fk it I'm not erasing sh*t. My bad! - Ok here we go again.. How is it that the Scorpion can't take over three blows from Batman and his physiology makes him able to lift 15 tons? either it's that the suit provides the strength and he has a glass jaw or It's simply the same reason that batman stated that the hulks grip was like a vice instead of being crushed to death. It was part of a loose script and really doesn't help swing the odds moreso to batman. Scorpion is a scrub to Batman and the "current" Spidey ( Before any enhancements)
When you reference Spidey's fight with the enforcers OX fancy dan and montanna somethin and that other guy, you are using a very good example of the incosistency given to Spidey. He had a hard time once with these guys and later when he battles them( years later I guess) he literally breaks them down to the point where you have to laugh. He wasn't hit once so lets just say he must have improved since his first fight with them. Batmans precision cannot be denied but then neither can Spidey's His aim is superhuman so it's on par or superior to Batman's. What seperates the two is that Batmans evasion is skill based and spidey's is skill and instinct based making it second nature to him. his backflips can take him far out of Batmans striking distance and he's shown that he can move fast enough to use a bullet fired from the hitman's gun to shatter the energy pack on the vulture's back. He went from playing possum to grabbing the speeding vulture and spinning him around to get hit in between the time it took for the bullet to leave the gun then travel to where he and the vulture were. He can take many full force blows from Ock but he can't take them from DD is downright contradictory but that fact must stand. So then must Batmans defeat at the hands of Deathstroke despite the fact that he was trying to help the guy. Batman could not defend himself because no one volunteers for a beat down and you have already stated that the Bat underestimates no one. That says to me that a guy who was slower and weaker than Spider-man got past Batman's defenses and then gave the credit for doing that to enhancements that are inferior by far to Spidey's. You have stated that Batman isn't just any human so give that same consideration to the Punisher cause he's not just a guy with a gun and though he may have had the opportunity to kill Spidey we can't say he would have succeeded without a doubt.( I think cause he might have )Nevertheless you are using many examples of a watered down Spidey.
DD is one of Spideys friends so I don't think he would try to kill him whether he said he wanted or not unless someone was in control of him or unless he was so enraged that his fighting would definitely suffer from it. Truly no human opponent that spider-man has fought till one was left standing has evaded everything that Spider-man has to offer ( as far as I can recall) and if Spidey only attacks with ruthless instacrunch tactics he can seriously wound Batman quickly. Batman is tight but nobody's perfect. ( I need to do some more fun research) tell me more about these mystic arts too. 😄
Originally posted by The MISTER
Sorry buddy but I have to disagree.
As much as I like Spider-man giving Batman prep-time would make it nigh impossible for spidey to win. Batman has proven himself to be the unnofficial master of prep-time use and would use the same gas that smythe did to remove Spideys powers and that would end the battle.
1. Batman is NO Reed Richards, it's not like he will go to the batcave, pushes some buttons and a anti-spiderman serum will appear. It doesn't work that way.
2. Spider-Man is too unpredictable. It's easier said than done to set up some good working traps or whatever. On paper, it might work, but in euhrm "real" life it won't.
3. Not to mention the fact that giving Batman 6 months or so preptime is not exactly a challenge. And it's very boring also. I could beat Gladiator and Hulk with a two weeks preptime (just use your imagination a bit).
Spider-Man has been dancing through death traps for years and years. Whatever Batman will pull out of his ass will be just another death trap.BUT I don't believe that he can beat or escape an ALL OUT Spider-man in their first battle over 10% of the time and the 10% is given due to a combination of insane skills and luck.
Okay, now we are agreeing again 😉.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Nevertheless you are using many examples of a watered down Spidey.
They base their whole logic around these fights. "If Kingpin could do that to Spider-Man, than Batman will have no problem whatsoever !"
What they fail to realize is, that Spider-Man has defeated - with ease - people who were stronger, faster and tougher than Batman. Defeated with his bare hands. No preptime. No blueprints. No gadgets. Just mano a mano.
These are facts. Facts that some members like to IGNORE.
(I could easily say the same about Batman, he has had trouble with much weaker people than Batman - Grim Reaper anyone, just an old man with a leather armor - but do I focus on those kinds of fights ? No, because I believe that in a vs-thread, you should use the best fights of each character).
Hey.....those fights may not be important to you but they feet the bill nicely as to what is being said about batman. Batman is just like those guys right....human.
I agree with you are saying in the last paragraph of your post. But isn't that all these threads are all about. When one person brings something that his or her guy has done that is off the charts. Then their opponent bring something that undoes what the other person was saying that was so great.
Originally posted by MERCILOUSThat's why I pointed out that jinzin ( and everyone else that doesn't have a problem with reading a paragraph or two) wouldn't have a problem following. It's obvious that you skip a lot when you think that the goblin is a normal guy. 😛
Yeah your post is way too long to read too. So I counter with this. BATMAN WINS.I hope that answers any questions you might have had.
Originally posted by who?-kid
No problem, that's why we are here 😉
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Yeah okay, but still :1. Batman is NO Reed Richards, it's not like he will go to the batcave, pushes some buttons and a anti-spiderman serum will appear. It doesn't work that way.
2. Spider-Man is too unpredictable. It's easier said than done to set up some good working traps or whatever. On paper, it might work, but in euhrm "real" life it won't.
3. Not to mention the fact that giving Batman 6 months or so preptime is not exactly a challenge. And it's very boring also. I could beat Gladiator and Hulk with a two weeks preptime (just use your imagination a bit).
Spider-Man has been dancing through death traps for years and years. Whatever Batman will pull out of his ass will be just another death trap.
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Okay, now we are agreeing again 😉.
Originally posted by ZahitThanks man I appreciate the props for real... My next post is gonna make all the Spidey fans proud and finish this war.
Hey MISTER, where the hell do you get off using perfectly sound logic
and a clear knowledge of both characters like that here???
C'mon man, you gotta give the fanboys and haters a little chance....🤘
Originally posted by The MISTER
That's why I pointed out that jinzin ( and everyone else that doesn't have a problem with reading a paragraph or two) wouldn't have a problem following. It's obvious that you skip a lot when you think that the goblin is a normal guy. 😛
You keep bringing that up like it's your trump card, but why wouldn't I think he's normal guy, he takes it like all the other normal guys who fight spiderman take it. And he's been trounced around the same way normal guys have trounced him. I don't give a @#$% about GG.
By the way, great improvement on the length of your post!
Originally posted by bertran
Strawnilla, I totally agree with most of what you say. I personally think that Spidey v. Bats is no contest, Spidey wins 10/10. But that being said, I think that you posted, not once, but twice, that with a lifetime of training you could TAKE ON 8 BATMEN?!?!?
Please tell me I am misunderstanding you. Because if you are saying what I think you are saying it may be the most ludicrous thing I ever heard!
Are you sure you didn't mean to post this: "With 8 lifetimes of training I COULDN'T even take on 1 Batman." ?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!!!
But when it comes down to a bare knuckled brawl between Spidey and 8 Batmen to say nothing of one.....Bruce is taken down.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
You keep bringing that up like it's your trump card, but why wouldn't I think he's normal guy, he takes it like all the other normal guys who fight spiderman take it. And he's been trounced around the same way normal guys have trounced him. I don't give a @#$% about GG.By the way, great improvement on the length of your post!
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
I agree with you are saying in the last paragraph of your post. But isn't that all these threads are all about. When one person brings something that his or her guy has done that is off the charts. Then their opponent bring something that undoes what the other person was saying that was so great.
It's a vicious circle !
To avoid that, it's better only to focus on their best fights. And a Batman on his best day can not defeat a Spider-Man on his best day. Why ? Because SM on his best day can hold his own against the Hulk, while Batman on his best day will be farted away by Hulk