Originally posted by The MISTER
Batman will be beaten badly by Spider-man because he is NOT capable of compensating for the Super-human abilities of Spider-man. Batman is a human so he doesn't have access to any feats of Super-human caliber at all. He may be able to raise the bar on what a human is considered capable of doing but only to the point of maximum human potential, perfect in every way possible straight down to genetic make-up. Batman has been branded as only human and the most powerful human ever will surely have the same label. "Only human" means that a limit has been set and it is far below what a superhuman has access to.
I only need to say one thing limits are ment to be broken. OTHER wise there will be no Shang Chi, or Iron Fist, or Richard Dragon, or Batman, or Lady Shiva, or Dare Devil, or Electra, or Judo Master, Or Master Kigiri, or Stick. Now would there. Unless I am mistaken aren't all of these people human?
for example, Superman is pissed off and goes to hit batman for the kill, hits him, Batman survives, then immediately Superman says " I couldn't kill him" or " I'm just toying with you ". It's a given that there is no way that a perfect human who has 100% of all human capabilities could survive any killing strike from Superman due to a layer of padded armor. A punch at half power would rupture everything inside a perfect human and send that human many many miles away. also without kryptonite no perfect human could move at a small fraction of Supermans Speed to defend themself from ANY attack of his choosing.
Have I been speaking to death ears? Batman survive a punch from a ticked off superman from the future. You know why becasue of the suit that batman wears. And just recently superman under the control of red krytonite took out batman while using super speed. Did I say batman was not wearing his suit. I am sorry, my fult batman was wearing his suit in both occasions. That suit and batman's training have helped batman to be able to take in a lot of punishment. As Jinzin has been trying to explain. Did you notice he or she or it spent almost more than three whole threads just talking about batman training making it posible for batman to roll with punches from heavy hitters?
Spider-man's speed and agility is by far superior to a PERFECT humans so Batman's limits would be made evident quickly. Spider-man has mastered a unique style of fighting ( who no-one else could duplicate ) that uses his strength, speed, and agility along with an advanced sense of balance and vision to compensate for fighting foes far MORE powererful than him. The spider-sense, heightened reflexes, and webbing versatility create a total package that a MAXIMUM POTENTIAL human would be useless against.
Unless batman comes with a shoe that stick to walls he is not going to be able to duplicate spiderman's figthing style. But he can compensate. My friend do underestimate the world of Martial Arts. Have you ever seen Jackie Chan's coming out movies. One of them was called Drunken Master. And let me asure you it is quite real. It's goal is to disorient is oponent and become unpredictable. You move around in a circular patern and strike when your opponent least expects it.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Batman will be beaten badly by Spider-man because he is NOT capable of compensating for the Super-human abilities of Spider-man. Batman is a human so he doesn't have access to any feats of Super-human caliber at all. He may be able to raise the bar on what a human is considered capable of doing but only to the point of maximum human potential, perfect in every way possible straight down to genetic make-up. Batman has been branded as only human and the most powerful human ever will surely have the same label. "Only human" means that a limit has been set and it is far below what a superhuman has access to.
I only need to say one thing limits are meant to be broken. OTHER wise there will be no Shang Chi, or Iron Fist, or Richard Dragon, or Batman, or Lady Shiva, or Dare Devil, or Electra, or Judo Master, Or Master Kigiri, or Stick. Now would there. Unless I am mistaken aren't all of these people human?
for example, Superman is pissed off and goes to hit batman for the kill, hits him, Batman survives, then immediately Superman says " I couldn't kill him" or " I'm just toying with you ". It's a given that there is no way that a perfect human who has 100% of all human capabilities could survive any killing strike from Superman due to a layer of padded armor. A punch at half power would rupture everything inside a perfect human and send that human many many miles away. also without kryptonite no perfect human could move at a small fraction of Supermans Speed to defend themself from ANY attack of his choosing.
Have I been speaking to death ears? Batman survive a punch from a ticked off superman from the future. You know why because of the suit that batman wears. And just recently superman under the control of red krytonite took out batman while using super speed. Did I say batman was not wearing his suit. I am sorry, my fault batman was wearing his suit in both occasions. That suit and batman's training have helped batman to be able to take in a lot of punishment. As Jinzin has been trying to explain. Did you notice he or she or it spent almost more than three whole threads just talking about batman training making it possible for batman to roll with punches from heavy hitters?
Spider-man's speed and agility is by far superior to a PERFECT humans so Batman's limits would be made evident quickly. Spider-man has mastered a unique style of fighting ( who no-one else could duplicate ) that uses his strength, speed, and agility along with an advanced sense of balance and vision to compensate for fighting foes far MORE powererful than him. The spider-sense, heightened reflexes, and webbing versatility create a total package that a MAXIMUM POTENTIAL human would be useless against.
Unless batman comes with a shoe that stick to walls he is not going to be able to duplicate spiderman's fighting style. But he can compensate. My friend do underestimate the world of Martial Arts. Have you ever seen Jackie Chan's coming out movies. One of them was called Drunken Master. And let me assure you it is quite real. It's goal is to disorient is opponent and become unpredictable. You move around in a circular pattern and strike when your opponent least expects it.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Did you notice he or she or it spent almost more than three whole threads just talking about batman training making it posible for batman to roll with punches from heavy hitters?
That's like trying to roll with a punch from a BIG sledgehammer.
I don't believe in bad writing because it's all fiction. but if you must use contradictory assessments of a characters abilities to support your character then you go right ahead. Batman got laid out by a guy that was far weaker than Spider-man and light years weaker than superman
If all his training didn't help him roll with those punches then why would they assist him in a fight with someone who is far far superior?
Also there is no way that anyone is going to believe that Batman volunteered for a three-piece and decided not to block or evade after the first blow. When you speak of the power of martial arts you must be reffering to Manga comics logic where enough mastery can make one superhuman. This is not the case with batman. Spider-man can throw three punches in the time it takes a masterful human to throw one. That's a fact and there are enough consistent displays of that Superhuman Speed to make it a noteworthy point. The Bat's fans are using a form of reasoning that sounds like-- Spidey beat the hulk so the lizard could do it too, and so could green goblin, and so could sandman. Obviously hulks a chump cause Spidey beat him. uuhhh... No he's not.
Obviously Spidey's a chump because everyone hits him. uuhhh...No he's not. Writers dont have to ask permission to change the parameters of a character because they are noted "creative writers". Bat's can't hang with spidey because Spidey can take waaaaay more than Bat's can and is way faster than him. You might think that speed doesn't matter but it really does when you factor in that Spidey can do three motions to any humans one no matter who that human is. To say that he can't is to try and take from his character. We aren't writing a comic book so I'll say that you're purposely using blatantly poor examples. No non-superhuman can REALLY see this guys speed. Batman's not going to phase Spidey in H2H period. Spidey jumps up to Bat's, slaps him, makes his head stick to his hand and carries the slap to the ground and then crushes his head. You say he's NOT fast enough? Then you're using Manga Logic to make Batman a Superhuman. Period. I still give you your props jinzin, because you are a good debator. But according to your own statements of NO "bad writing defense" then there was no reason that the master of h2h and evasion should have been hit over and over and over by someone that was considered by some to be a chump who got beat down by a street level thug.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Ummmm, got knocked out by who? And was he say, weaker than Dare Devil?
DD has superhuman evasion and aim. He also benefited from having known Spider-man for about ten years. Spidey was fighting the lizard once and took a double axe-handled blow from the 15 tonner while he was lying defenseless. The lizard stated that he had meant for the blow to kill Spider-man and said "You're stronger than I thought you were" Seconds later Spidey had resumed his attack and took a tail strike to the face ON PURPOSE! He has displayed this level of Superhuman Durability on many more occasions than this, Once laughing off a punch from the shocker that the Shocker had stated was stronger than a punch
from twelve men. I wouldn't take his word for it but the statement remained consistent because the next blow ( was dodged and knocked bricks out of the wall. Spidey clowned the punch he took and knocked out the shocker with one punch stating, " You shouldn't have told me how your vibro power deflects my blows! you convinced me to use my Sunday punch! Spidey plays too much I guess so maybe that's why some folks don't take him for what he's really worth. DD can't beat Spidey any more than Spidey can beat hulk. Truly his speed would be inferior as well as his jump distance. His assets were a great familiarity with Spidey's style and a (from what I've gathered) hysterical Spidey.
This loss to DD is an obvious attempt to downplay Spidey's superiority to humans. Try that on someone who hasn't seen first hand what type of punishment Spidey has taken.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
I only need to say one thing limits are meant to be broken. OTHER wise there will be no Shang Chi, or Iron Fist, or Richard Dragon, or Batman, or Lady Shiva, or Dare Devil, or Electra, or Judo Master, Or Master Kigiri, or Stick. Now would there. Unless I am mistaken aren't all of these people human?Have I been speaking to death ears? Batman survive a punch from a ticked off superman from the future. You know why because of the suit that batman wears. And just recently superman under the control of red krytonite took out batman while using super speed. Did I say batman was not wearing his suit. I am sorry, my fault batman was wearing his suit in both occasions. That suit and batman's training have helped batman to be able to take in a lot of punishment. [B]As Jinzin has been trying to explain. Did you notice he or she or it spent almost more than three whole threads just talking about batman training making it possible for batman to roll with punches from heavy hitters?
Unless batman comes with a shoe that stick to walls he is not going to be able to duplicate spiderman's fighting style. But he can compensate. My friend do underestimate the world of Martial Arts. Have you ever seen Jackie Chan's coming out movies. One of them was called Drunken Master. And let me assure you it is quite real. It's goal is to disorient is opponent and become unpredictable. You move around in a circular pattern and strike when your opponent least expects it. [/B]
If you were referring to the MECHANICAL SUIT OF ARMOR that contained KRYPTONITE then my bad because I AM familiar with that suit.
I thought you were referring to his regular suit( the one he would fight Spider-man in) I agree that Spider-man cannot beat a special suit like that one. BUT that is not the case here. jinzin I know I'm not quoting you but I enjoyed debating with you the most. This is my last post so I'll say this. Batman could win 10% of the time but no more often than that and I give that 10% to the abilities that jinzin made me aware of. keep up the great debating man 😄 Peace my brothers 😮💨
ummm guess you missed out where batman batarangs where taking out multiple doomsday clones.......clones fast enough to catch supes off guard.....strong enough to hit him over a nearby mountain range....and good enough to run through 4 to 5 of wonder woman's amazons at a time.......YEAH.....those things are soooooo useless...
But jinzin!! Spidey has spidey-sense!! Batman can't hit him!! How can you compare Bats hitting 4-5 amazons at once who are all faster than Spidey to Spidey? Spidey has dodged everything!! Spidey has never been hit!! Spidey has never been hit with any projectile!! NEVER!! NEVER!! Spidey has never been beaten by daredevil!! Spidey has Spider-sense!! Spidey can't be beat!! Spidey has never had trouble with skilled fighters!!!!! Spidey-senses have never been beaten!!!!!!! Spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey!!!!!! spidey spidey spider-senses!!!