Originally posted by jinzinRidiculous. That's like me bragging about beating Ken Shamrock while disregarding the fact that I had a anti Shamrock weapon AND he was holding back AND I had help.
hell no....never said that he would either......but he has beaten superman...on multiple occasions......it still doesn't take away from the fact that a fast flying superman got clocked in the face by batman.....
'Cept Superman in Hush, and even DKR weren't travelling at ungodly speeds. Not even faster then the human eye could see, HELD back or didn't want to fight, and in Hush Superman was about to kill Batman but saved Lois instead, and in DKR Superman had Ollie, Barry, and Batman against him along with Batman planning it all out, kryptonite, and not wanting to fight. And the fight never finished in DKR. Bruce fakes a heart attack.
"Crossovers are complete BS. But you don't DISREGARD IT."
Umm...actually you can. Crossovers are not continuity. Therefore, they never really happend to the actual character in either of their perspective universes.
It's like talking about the cartoon Batman vs. the Comic Batman. Two completely seperate Batmans; similar, but have nothing to do with each other.
Originally posted by MERCILOUSAnd kryptonite, and the fact he didn't want to kill Bruce. 🙄 I mean really if Supes wanted to kill Batman he could do it quite easily.
I read the book. Supes did not hold back, he was weakened by the nuclear explosion.
Plus it's still not canon anyways.
Hush is canon, and all he did was slow Supes down, and nearly got himself killed. If not for Batman having Catwoman throw Lois off a building he would have been killed.
Originally posted by Kento
And kryptonite, and the fact he didn't want to kill Bruce. 🙄 I mean really if Supes wanted to kill Batman he could do it quite easily.Plus it's still not canon anyways.
Hush is canon, and all he did was slow Supes down, and nearly got himself killed. If not for Batman having Catwoman throw Lois off a building he would have been killed.
nah 😛
Originally posted by jinzin
lame duck?anyways....I can understand the falsh thing being screwy in a very very technical sense....but at face value it makes sense.....and the GL ring works on will power man....always has...always will....if deathstroke had more willpower than GL he'd win....and that's just what was happening....
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
It clearly states, DS is "faster where it counts." as in a combination of relexes and timing, which is withing his character.
Lastly, to both of you. Green Arrow's save was friggen hilarious. SHAFTED! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Originally posted by Kento
And kryptonite, and the fact he didn't want to kill Bruce. I mean really if Supes wanted to kill Batman he could do it quite easily.Plus it's still not canon anyways.
Hush is canon, and all he did was slow Supes down, and nearly got himself killed. If not for Batman having Catwoman throw Lois off a building he would have been killed.
Let us recap, in hush was batman there to fight superman? Did he go there to kill superman? Instead there was a superman there trying to kill him. And he mainly pushed superman away. And superman was not about to kill batman, batman was standing and was ready to move. Do you know who's plan it was to get lois it was batman's. And the door swing both ways if batman wanted to kill superman he could. IF batman was accurally going there to fight superman do really think is going to go with a tiny kryptonite ring. Just as superman can kill batman just as easily batman can kill superman just as easily as well. And the tower of babel and DKR speak out for themselves. The door swing both ways.BOB. And yes the holding back on superman's part well 🙂 good for batman.
Originally posted by Mainstream
it's a too way street. Bats could kill supes and vice versa..but lets get on topic...Batman beats by throwing down a bunch of smoke bombs..during the confusion Batman throws batarings koing the friendly wall crawler.
No sir, I'm not gonna do that. Sometimes it's better not to reply.
A quiet Spidey is deadly. I've noted the depths of Batman's training and must say I'm truly impressed ( Thanks jinzin ) 🙂 But I still think most of the Bat's supporters are assuming that Spider-man will take this fight as a joke and get crushed and that is what would happen. But Spider-man isn't going to take fighting Batman as a joke any more than Bats would.
Batman at his best may handle Supes but there's alway's a trick to it because they're both heroes. Batman's skill's and ability's truly dwarf many other characters but when it comes down to Spider-man he's evenly matched due to Spidey's SUPERHUMAN EXPERIENCE.
That's right I said it, all of Spider-man's experience is on a Super level because he got his training " On the job " and at 16 he was physically superior to Batman in every way. He has gone solo against characters that combined make all the "weapons" Batman has available appear primitive. And he has even dealt with primitive foes (kraven). Batman has few equals and even fewer are superior to him. Spider-man is one of those that are superior and I'll prove it.
Speed is truly a byproduct of strength so since Batman cannot react as fast as Spidey can act even with training. If speed is not produced by strength then why can't a slow strike break objects? Is there any such thing as a slow bullet? In order to do more damage than a bullet, can such damage be done with a slower moving bullet? Strength = Speed Speed=Strength simple as that. How many miles can the hulk travel in an hour, jumping? Is he slow? I guess Juggy doesn't like jumping but he could sprint if he felt and run at blinding speeds. I ask you jinzin, about your wrestling opponent, was he slower than you? I'm guessing that he wasn't fast enough to counter your tactics.
You forget Spidey's noted super speed and make Bat's speed equal to it. You forget Spidey's noted super reflexes and agility and make Batman's equal. You forget Spidey's noted Superstrength and make Batman's strength superior.( He can knock down mountains?) And you forget the many year's of on the job honing of skills that are superhuman and make Batman's formal training superior.
I apprecite your opinions but I guess we'll never agree. As far as I see it Batman gets hit one good time he's twitching and bleeding out his ears and Spidey's good enough to get right in his face and do it before Batman can counter. And if Batman does counter ( He is good ) then before he can counter again. The dark ninja stuff is sweet but even Batman's concentration can be broken. He is only human! 😎
"He is only human"
I truley hope that was a joke........either that...or I'm now very dissapointed in you.....lol
anyways...no my oponent was actually faster than I was.....you just can't stop my shot when I decide to take it.....
anyways....I've already made a point of producing proof that a highly trained ninja stalemated spidey in speed and reflexes......batman's surely better than that crumb bum white ninja....so he should be able to compensate easily enough.....I ask you is spiderman faster than superman? (even if supes isn't going mach speeds)......or...is spiderman faster than automatic gun fire?
I've already dealt with how batman's taken it to guy with more physical strength...on multiple occasions.....I guess all that's left is to agree to disagree....
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Let us recap, in hush was batman there to fight superman? Did he go there to kill superman? Instead there was a superman there trying to kill him. And he mainly pushed superman away. And superman was not about to kill batman, batman was standing and was ready to move. Do you know who's plan it was to get lois it was batman's. And the door swing both ways if batman wanted to kill superman he could. IF batman was accurally going there to fight superman do really think is going to go with a tiny kryptonite ring. Just as superman can kill batman just as easily batman can kill superman just as easily as well. And the tower of babel and DKR speak out for themselves. The door swing both ways.BOB. And yes the holding back on superman's part well 🙂 good for batman.
First off.. Batman says "If Clark wanted to he could use his super speed, and squish me into the cement" and "Artic Breath. He's holding back as much as he can" After Batman pulls him into the electric thing that takes out the whole cities power while shocking Supes Batman goes street level. Superman comes out of the ground angry, grabs a car, and says "This ends now" Had he not of sent Selina to get Lois or Selina hadn't of gotten there in time the car would have been smashed into Batman.
Second..IIRC in Tower of Babel his way to stop Superman wasn't the smartest plan. It made Clark in pain yes but it also made him a whole lot stronger. It was suppose to be if Clark went evil. A little pain isn't going to stop an Evil Superman. It didn't stop a good Superman. He just was afraid to use his powers cause he couldn't control them much.
Each way Superman would kill Batman if he wanted. He can do it a lot quicker, and without any planning at all. Also Batman punched a Superman who was standing still.
Now third. Batman/Superman #2. Older Clark who is trying to kill himself. Batman goes towards vault where Kryptonite is in Batcave, Older Clark knocked Clark away, and appears in front of Batman. He grabs Batman's belt says "Your just a man. A man who got to stay alive because I let live" then Batman flies into a version of the Batmobile. Then Older Clark picks up the Batmobile, and has it above his head about to kill Batman.
Anyways. Onto the topic. Spidey is faster, stronger, and almost if not as smart as Batman. Plus he would get on Bat's nerves with all those one-liners not letting him concentrate. Batman doesn't know about Spider-Sense, Spidey can take a punch from Batman, Batman can't take full force punch from Spidey. Batman could cut the webbing but Spidey can web him up so he isn't able to move at all. There is little Batman can do to hurt Spidey while there is a lot Spidey can do to hurt Batman.