Batman vs Spiderman

Started by MERCILOUS343 pages

Hey lifeisaglich, your scenario kicks ass.

The only difference I would have put in, is I would have made it at night ('cause it's his ususal lurking time) and...

Batman see's spidey's hand move and assumes it has a projectile (can't be too safe.) he dodges the first string of webbing and quickly moves to the shadows. Seeing more webbing is coming he moves his cap eratically to hide his movement, most of the webbing from here on out misses completley or is blocked by the cape. Gas is next for batman, (under your scenario he drops from the sky, so he must be able to survive long falls or is incredibaly agile, and possibly strong.) The gas is of course a diversion, spidey dodges quite quickly giving a huge leap to jump to safety, unfortunetly the leap makes him unable to dodge the three baterangs now coming straight for him. He still dodges 2 but one hits a vein, Parker makes the mistake of simply pulling it out and batman give him no time to dress the wound. Parker and Bats start huge melee battle Batman is barely able to keep athletically, but Parker's bleeding is wearing him down. Batman takes a big punch but this too is a ruse, he grabs parkers arm and injects him with a sedative. From here on out bats keep his distance and methodically picks spidey apart.

Ok so that's more than one different thing but, the point is he does have a miriad of options of how to deal with spidey, even with out prep.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
I could have made this for batman to go to Spiderman but Batman would win because batman would have made up plans for those superheros he is most likely to encounter. So I am going to make in a part of Gotham unfamiliar to batman.

Batman is interrogating a gang lord on the sudden raise of gang activities because they are getting bold and striking in the day time. Spiderman out of no way dropped out of the sky (thanks to Dr. otto Octavius tampering with a dimension device) Spiderman lands with an eye shot to see what was happening to the now innocent citizen.
Spiderman goes in and ask for the guy with the pointed ears to put the civilian down. Batman ignores the new comer and continues with the interrogation because he thought the info is more valuable. The gang lord suddenly screams "Help" spiderman fires a string of webbing batman was able to dodge the first two as he throw the gang lord away. But was unable to dodge the third webbing.

Spiderman moves towards batman asking who are you and what did he think he was doing. Batman replied saying this is got nothing to do with you. He then frees himself from the bind via razor sharp battarans and proceed by throwing them to the proceeding spiderman. Spiderman dodged it. An moved in and counter with a webbing to the back of batman. He has batman and he is about to slam batman TOM and JERRY style but the batman cut the line and the force sented him flying through the window of an abandoned building.

Batman stood to his feet as a spiderman comes through the make shift window. Batman responded by dropping time delayed bataran bombs. But spiderman quickly moved out of the way and moved to hand to hand combat. Batman is gaining the upper hand but spiderman uses his super strength to even things out. thus pushing batman away. Batman responded by dropping a sleeping gas capsule right at spiderman's face as spiderman just countered batman and proceeded to kicking batman across the room. Batman (Couple of broken ribs) got up to a dazed spiderman and moves in to finish the job with a right hook but spiderman saw it coming and dodged. Knowing that he has to end the fight quickly moves in for the kO but batman used spiderman's own momentum and positioning spiderman in front of the time delayed batarans bombs. Being dazed spiderman was unable to dodge all the bataran bombs. thus sending spiderman falling into the sewers. Batman stood over the hole looking at spiderman sleeping. Picks spiderman up heads to arkham.


I love it man. 😄 I could see this happening (i mean it) BUT no more than 10% of the time. In the other 90% Batman is Ko'd by the blows he recieives. Good post. 🙂 😮‍💨

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Hey lifeisaglich, your scenario kicks ass.

The only difference I would have put in, is I would have made it at night ('cause it's his ususal lurking time) and...

Batman see's spidey's hand move and assumes it has a projectile (can't be too safe.) he dodges the first string of webbing and quickly moves to the shadows. Seeing more webbing is coming he moves his cap eratically to hide his movement, most of the webbing from here on out misses completley or is blocked by the cape. Gas is next for batman, (under your scenario he drops from the sky, so he must be able to survive long falls or is incredibaly agile, and possibly strong.) The gas is of course a diversion, spidey dodges quite quickly giving a huge leap to jump to safety, unfortunetly the leap makes him unable to dodge the three baterangs now coming straight for him. He still dodges 2 but one hits a vein, Parker makes the mistake of simply pulling it out and batman give him no time to dress the wound. Parker and Bats start huge melee battle Batman is barely able to keep athletically, but Parker's bleeding is wearing him down. Batman takes a big punch but this too is a ruse, he grabs parkers arm and injects him with a sedative. From here on out bats keep his distance and methodically picks spidey apart.

Ok so that's more than one different thing but, the point is he does have a miriad of options of how to deal with spidey, even with out prep.


You must mean that Bats takes a big punch and thought it was a ruse until his jaw got shattered and he woke up in bed next to the female Lobo.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Spiderman goes in and ask for the guy with the pointed ears to put the civilian down. Batman ignores the new comer and continues with the interrogation because he thought the info is more valuable.

Now this is strange, Batman ignores the newcomer ? I think Batmans attention would be focused at Spider-Man, and not at some criminal.
The gang lord suddenly screams "Help" spiderman fires a string of webbing batman was able to dodge the first two as he throw the gang lord away.

I really don't see Batman dodging a web. It's very hard to dodge, especially when you are "throwing a gang lord" away.
He then frees himself from the bind via razor sharp battarans and proceed by throwing them to the proceeding spiderman.

That is assuming Batman can still use his weapons, or reach for them. And cutting the web takes some time, and SM isn't just gonna stand there.
Spiderman dodged it. An moved in and counter with a webbing to the back of batman. He has batman and he is about to slam batman TOM and JERRY style but the batman cut the line and the force sented him flying through the window of an abandoned building.

You lost me here lol.
Batman is gaining the upper hand but spiderman uses his super strength to even things out. thus pushing batman away.

Pushing Batman away ? Why not throwing him 100 meters away ? 😉
Batman responded by dropping a sleeping gas capsule right at spiderman's face as spiderman just countered batman and proceeded to kicking batman across the room. Batman (Couple of broken ribs) got up to a dazed spiderman and moves in to finish the job with a right hook but spiderman saw it coming and dodged.

Have you ever had your ribs broken ? It hurts like hell, and you can hardly move.
Knowing that he has to end the fight quickly moves in for the kO but batman used spiderman's own momentum and positioning spiderman in front of the time delayed batarans bombs. Being dazed spiderman was unable to dodge all the bataran bombs.

How many of these bombs does he have ? 200 ?

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be the smartass here, criticizing every bit of your story. But then again, if you post a scenario in which Batman wins, it's not abnormal somebody reacts 😉.

Well this is all a moot point since Batman will just create his own version of the Infinity Gauntlet and destroy the Marvel 616 Universe.

yeah what he said ^

Originally posted by who?-kid
Now this is strange, Batman ignores the newcomer ? I think Batmans attention would be focused at Spider-Man, and not at some criminal.

I think is is within batman's character to just ignore a new comer, while he is doing something that is important.

I really don't see Batman dodging a web. It's very hard to dodge, especially when you are "throwing a gang lord" away.

Yeah but batman has done it a lot of times in the comics and in the animated series.

That is assuming Batman can still use his weapons, or reach for them. And cutting the web takes some time, and SM isn't just gonna stand there.

When it comes to escape artistry batman is second only to Mr. Miracle. And spiderman was not standing around.

You lost me here lol.

Spiderman dodge batarangs from batman after he freed himself from spiderman's web. Spiderman retaliated by shooting another web which catches batman on the back. Spiderman was about to slam batman hard but batman cut the webbing thus the momentum sent batman through the window of the building.

Pushing Batman away ? Why not throwing him 100 meters away ?

Pushing batman away and responded by broking some of batman's ribs. the kick did send batman across the room and it did broke some of batman's ribs.

Have you ever had your ribs broken ? It hurts like hell, and you can hardly move.

Yeah but batman has been known to go into battle with broken rib's before.

How many of these bombs does he have ? 200 ?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be the smartass here, criticizing every bit of your story. But then again, if you post a scenario in which Batman wins, it's not abnormal somebody reacts .

You asked me to write a logical scenario, and that is what tried to do. and second It is my scenario and I am the only with answers.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Hey lifeisaglich, your scenario kicks ass.

The only difference I would have put in, is I would have made it at night ('cause it's his ususal lurking time) and...

Batman see's spidey's hand move and assumes it has a projectile (can't be too safe.) he dodges the first string of webbing and quickly moves to the shadows. Seeing more webbing is coming he moves his cap eratically to hide his movement, most of the webbing from here on out misses completley or is blocked by the cape. Gas is next for batman, (under your scenario he drops from the sky, so he must be able to survive long falls or is incredibaly agile, and possibly strong.) The gas is of course a diversion, spidey dodges quite quickly giving a huge leap to jump to safety, unfortunetly the leap makes him unable to dodge the three baterangs now coming straight for him. He still dodges 2 but one hits a vein, Parker makes the mistake of simply pulling it out and batman give him no time to dress the wound. Parker and Bats start huge melee battle Batman is barely able to keep athletically, but Parker's bleeding is wearing him down. Batman takes a big punch but this too is a ruse, he grabs parkers arm and injects him with a sedative. From here on out bats keep his distance and methodically picks spidey apart.

Ok so that's more than one different thing but, the point is he does have a miriad of options of how to deal with spidey, even with out prep.

Noted.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
You asked me to write a logical scenario, and that is what tried to do.

I read a story, not a logical scenario 😉.

Originally posted by Blade Cutter
Only way I think Bat-man can beat Spidy is if Bats had Shields help or he NUKED him.
This was posted buy my little brother.I'm back and I would to know what will stop Spider-man braking Batman legs arms or ribs.Leaving Batman unable to fight giving Spider-man the win.It will not kill Batman so Spider-man could do it wile staying in character and he can do so in just one hit to a arm leg are rib.

Batman would get busted like a Piniata. first punch. wide open. He could try to block but then he would be crippled. straight up. 10% of the time he manages to evade certain death. Cause that's what Batman does. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by who?-kid
I read a story, not a logical scenario .

What is not logical about the scenario?

Didn't I post a "review" at 6:57 pm ? I thought I did lol.

okay now I can understand why you would want to use deathstroke as an analogy but this was a very very bad choice....in fact this was possibly one of the worst examples you could have used to help your debate for various reason that' I'll be going into in a minute.....

you see a major thing that a TON of people are either forgetting or neglecting around here is the fact that everyone thinks these heroes are doomed to lose based on the OBVIOUS powers they don't have....rather than these heroes winning due to expert use of the powers/abilities they've got....for instance: (and I realize this isn't the best analogy for this fight...but while one COULD apply it... understand I'm not meaning to use it as such....i'm simply trying to make a point here) I started wrestling 4 years ago.....I had no strength no skill no nothin....but I kept working hard and got better...last year I was on varsity for the first time....towards the end of the season, I had to wrestle a guy that was ranked 3rd in state and expected to do so again this year.... Now if we were simply going by obvious stats i was horribly outmatched....this guy had more experience, better technique, a larger amount of techniques to use, a stronger upper body, an equal lower body, a more versatile style, he proved himself to be my superior in speed, he was craftier/ and more easily reactive than I was, and he was more confident. I had uhmmmm well....i had......more will to win? 😕
statistically he should have beat me 7 ways from sunday and then some, even before the first 2 minutes were even over..... but...he didn't....infact I kicked his ass....using what I knew....I took shots...I wasn't fancy with them, I was just determined to take him down as soon as I got in...... One could argue....and argue effectively, that this was just the byproduct of luck......but hey it didn't only happen the one time....by some miracle i made it to state....and I met him in my first match......I beat him again.....I didn't win because I was statistically better...i won because I used what I knew how to use....but according to the logic on this board I wouldn't stand a chance against this guy.......EVER.......see where that kind of logic is faulty?

now back to deathstroke....okay see the thing about using deathstroke for an analogy is that what i see your argument as is: "deathstroke beat batman and spiderman is superior to deathstroke so obviously spiderman would hand batman his ass".

-anyways that was how I interpretted it.....but the thing is ......you're using a character that beat batman to strengthen your argument when the same character could and most likely WOULD for all intents and purposes kick the **** out of spiderman as well....once again you made the mistake of taking the character's obvious abilities at face value to imply that spiderman is at or above his level.....In his defense...

one: have you even seen what he did to the JLA in identity crisis? (if not...I got a treat or actually a bunch of treats for you after this?these posts......)

two: like i said before....deathstroke is batmans mental and physical superior or equal in about every aspect....every advantage that batman has against spiderman....he doesn't have against ds.....deathstroke, has the advantages of both batman and spiderman (on lower level) except webbing, deathstroke even has the ability to see things before they happen and make and execute a plan by the time they do happen....spiderman doesn't have that kind of ability...... couple that with the fact that batman wasn't trying to fight him in the first place?.....(once again...I don't mean to sound like a know it all...but I probably do....anyways....I've been in martial arts for like since I was 4, if a guy that's basically my mental and physical superior and has better skills coupled with E.S.P........AND THEN gets the drop on me while I'm not trying to fight him.....it doesn't matter what I do one hit is all he needs to be able to gain the upper hand and keep it.) That wasn't an example of a good fight, infact it was nothing more than a non-fight example....

three: Deathstroke aside from what he did to the JLA has gone toe to toe with wonderwoman.....by the statistical logic you're trying to swing...he had no place being in the same fight as wonderwoman but hey....whaddyaknow......he held his own. not only was his speed enough to keep up with wonderwoman in a slugfest, but his skill and power were enough to actually make her reel back.

OKAY now.....I realize that I keep bringing up a lot of crossover battles....i.e. batman vs. hulk/tm/carnage/captain america/lizard/scorpion/and the x-men. but I'm trying to make a point....which is simply this.....DC works on a higher level of power than marvel does or ever has for that matter.....DC has admittedly made their characters ridiculously overpowered.....that said, batman works in one of the most powerful teams in all superherodom...the justice league... now whether you guys feel that the justice league is for some reason weaker when they're working together isn't the issue here, the issue is that they still retain their powers, they're still the same heroes. and while batman shares a place as an equal among other heroes despite his humanity, much like captain america and his avengers......unlike captain america, the team that batman is on actually FEARS him....they're afraid of this guy for a reason.....someone already brough up the point that batman probably will have already made a "just in case" gameplan for if he ever ran into spidey again....and that's actually consistant with bat's character....

Anyways.....he's beaten some of spidey's staunchest foes already...... Batman while being held by the hulk.....remained the calm intelligent fighter he almost always is (speaking of which spidey better pray he's not fighting an enraged batman), he used his expert knowledge of his toys to take hulk down with......he handled scorpion...despite his physical disadvantages.... now while scorpion doesn't have enhanced reflexes like spiderman he does however have enhanced speed and enhanced strength that's been said spiderman's superior....the comic in question made it a point that batman was infact outmatched physically but he "knew just where to hit scorpion to soften him up" 3 hits into the fight, and it was already over.....once again batman didn't lose due to lack of powers....HE WON using the abilities he knew he had.....and using his skill at it's best....
when facing carnage he used a combination of both skills and toys and everything.....making short work of cletus kassidy.....an accomplishment spiderman can't say the same of...... the reason why I feel my comparisons are better than yours is because they're nearly direct comparisons.......while your deathstroke one is more speculation than anything.....sorry but it's the truth.....

Now that everything else has failed to make a convincing argument for batman getting trounced by spiderman his humanity is brought up.....I'm sorry but as soon as you dawn a costume and declare yourself a super hero in the comics.....then stick around for 60+ years.....you are simply and utterly no longer human...it's that simple......humans can't dodge automatic bullet fire from multpile angels....humans don't chuck capsules into gun barrels as their backflipping out of the way of other gun fire...humans don't hit superman in the face when he's bearing down on them at his super speeds.....humans don't see a car...climb a building and then run/jump down said car in a getaway chase sequence....most humans don't willpower their way from a broken back...or from death itself for that matter......anyways.....

now I said I was going to bring some of batman's mystical abilities to the table.......after you read this you will then understand why it's not as cut and dry of a fight as human vs. superhuman....

Not is Batman perhaps the ultimate unarmed combatant on the face of the planet due to the sheer amount of the different arts he masters but he is also a master shadow warrior, a ninja of true legend, a master rivaled by only a handful by men.
Under Kirigi, Tsunetomo and Chu Chin Li and then expanded by Cain Batman has learnt the art of the ninja but also the art of the Tao and the Chinese assassin, making him much, much more dangerous than a normal ninja. First of all he is one of the foremost combatants on Earth, with or without his weapons, but his further training has expanded his senses and skills to the level of rivaling metahumans.

Batman is a master of Haragei, a master who has expanded his physical senses over this plane of existence to another and thus becoming hyper aware of his surroundings without appearing to really being anything different from others. He is keenly aware of everything going on around him and also the microscopic and the astral world around himself. Furthermore he can feel that world around himself and thus being one of the most difficult targets for telepathy and also telepathic obfuscation. Along these lines the Bat has learnt and masters both the Sakki and Kiai. Kiai is the ability to feel the intent and thus be able to act accordingly. However Sakki is the force of the intention and with these three pillars the Bat can take the physical battle to another level, to the psychological, the mental plane. The Sakki and Kiai, completed with the mastery of Haragei can be used as physical weapons, a force of wills where every blow is even stronger than the physical ones. As a ninja and a master of haragei, Batman has learnt to cope without his sensory input, making him able to fight and function without any sort of handicap should he lose his sight or hearing, or other senses. The fact is that the Bat is far beyond the human senses and even though they are handy, they're not needed.

Chi is another facet and a tactic the Batman uses, much like Sakki, it can be projected through the combat. Batman has been shown, on numerous occasions, to be able to perform feats impossible to humans. He has been shown to kick down trees, punch through concrete and mortar walls. He can project his Chi out of his body and aid him physically, because of this it is no big feat for him to punch through living trees and walls. By focusing his Chi inside his body he can ignore the physical damage and pain he receives. Through his training, Batman has trained himself to ignore exhaustion, sleep deprivation, emotions and also pain and agony. To anyone looking at the Bat, there is nothing remotely human about him other than the chin. As a Bat, when under control, he feels no emotions, no fear, no love, he is completely indifferent to the world around himself and thus he is in tune with it as Tao teaches. He flows from one motion to another in the river of life, this granting him the sixth sense, intuism he always listens to, the thing that has saved his life on many occasions.

This form, this Tao was taught to him by Mistress Shao-La in the Himalayas. Bruce Wayne had heard about a master with great power residing in the mountains and the young boy wanted to learn more. He went to the master who'd teach him the Tao and also self-control. The light side of this force would give him the control over his emotions and the ability to be in tune with the world, but it wasn't enough for him. Bruce Wayne wanted power, true power and after Shao-La told him about Master H'Sien Tan he would venture out there and learn.

From H'Sien Tan Bruce Wayne learnt the path of personal power. He learnt from the man that he had two destinies and by choosing one of them he'd receive everything he had ever wanted and the second would make him nearly omnipotent. This path would be the path of personal power he sought to avenge and to protect. In time it would also consume him. This little story is part of the package H'Sien Tan taught Bruce. The acceptance. The acceptance of one's fate, one's death and one's power. It was also a craft he taught to Bruce, to know, to feel the world and the energies around himself, to harness those energies and glean answers from them. This form of spiritualism has served Bruce well, but also it has twisted him and he has found ways to distort it, making him appear the victim even if he has wanted it. From H'Sien Tan he also learnt a way to control himself, not just his emotions but his body. Bruce is capable of, instinctually, command his body to stop bleeding, force healing on himself and even more importantly, he is able to ignore the toll exhaustion and the lack of sleep inflicts on him. Also Tan taught him the way to slow down his heart, the flow of his blood, to the level of dying and yet remaining alive.

The dark forces of Tao, the greed, is a powerful mistress and because of this the person who wields these arts needs to be mentally strong to wrest the control lest it controls him in his path to power. This dark art comprises partly of alchemy and magic mixed in with the mental control and hypnotism and this is the most formidable teaching Tan had to give Bruce.

Batman is able to force his presence on others, much like the way the Wrath of God appears. He can grow in people's minds, project his terror on them and destroy their minds, but at the same time he can push his presence inwardly and just disappear from their mind's eye, right in front of them and none will know how nor why. Furthermore he has learnt the power of suggestion, the ability to appear as something else to anyone and this is the key behind his quick costume changes and his disappearances. To add to this, his skills in these arts have given him a willpower matched by nearly none as he can ignore anything and go through stone and rock. The last skill Tan gave to Bruce was the art of the Tiger Fist, a punch so powerful it can rend through mountains, a skill, an art known to only 5 people on Earth and only 2 of them survive 'til this day.

As a ninja, a shadow assassin, Batman has been taught to use his surroundings to his advantage and so he knows when there are people in the correct vantage points, he knows how to conceal himself so that he is virtually invisible and he knows the ways to use the surroundings offensively. This lesson is part of the reason why the Bat was created in this visage. Bruce knows the hearts of the men and he can defeat them before engaging them in combat. In ancient times in Japan, the warrior caste, the Samurai, used the Ninja because their honor couldn't handle the deceitful tactics. However, Batman has no qualms with this and actually he uses quite a lot of deception as he does his work. Chu Chin Li and later on David Cain taught him the assassination tactics and skills, so he is aware of how a possible assassin will work and will think, and he can prepare against these situations.

Japanese sword fighting or Kendo is part of the Bushido class and way of life and also practiced by Batman and Bruce Wayne. From Bushido and Taothe Batman has taken the meditation skills taught to him by Shao-La for clearing his mind and his conscience, even if Alfred tends to call it brooding. Many a time the Bat has solved a case while meditating or sleeping, which is quite the same thing for him as he utilizes the sleeping techniques Shao-La taught him.

The ways of the Shadow Warrior are quite many and there are different rumors and different legends about the ninjas, and when concerning the Bat most of them hold true. However the main thing about the ninja is that they're adaptable and Batman has taken this strategy in his heart and cherishes it. He adapts to any situation and if he isn't able to conquer, he will find another way to do it. May it be weapons, technology or knowledge, the Bat will always prevail....

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That's like a normal person running into a statue. And that person has the ability to vibrate through things.

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