"Wow then his spidersense would be 100% useless in a fight.
Because it'd be going off all the bloody time. . .
That looks like it wasn't very well thought out writing.
Why would it go off if there isn't a threat?
And why didn't it work that way when Spidey was blinded? And why didn't it help when Wolverine accidently "snikked" him?"
if you had studied all the spiderman arguments...you would know the answer to this already..."it was bad writing! WAHHHHHHH!"
Originally posted by Creshosk
He doesn't need to read up on a person, that's why he has his utlity belt, that some villans hate so much they target it to try and hinder batman.
Spidey can will himself to withstand the effect of knockout gas, it just depends on how powerful the gas's effect really is. Not to mention Spidey could just as easily attack him first to render Bruce KO'ed.
Originally posted by jinzinHuh? Are you talking about the same one where Wolvie best Lobo and Storm beat WW?
"Please try harder and give a better example. I could actually be wrong this time. That'd be different"that's about the funniest sarcasm I've seen you use yet...the marvel vs. dc crossover....that's what it's called issue no.3 batman beat him....you said EVERY......... again......yes again....you're completely wrong...
Originally posted by StrawNillaHe wouldn't know! It is out of character because Spiderman isn't stupid. What if he speedbilted someone like superman? or someone else who it'd be a BAD IDEA to blitz?
The speedblitz is definitely a possibility, it's not out of character if Spidey just felt it was necessary, besides, all he would have to do once he rushed Batman would be to knock him out. That's it. It's not like once Spidey speedblitzes an opponent he's no longer in control of the power in his punches.
Spidey knows this which is why he doesn't speedblitz, he's not as stupid as you're making him out to be.
Nor does he have the prep knowledge to know that it isn't a bad idea to speedblitz batman.
Originally posted by StrawNillaAnd neither would spiderman. . .
And Batman speedblitzing Spidey faster than Spidey can avoid it? Not likely. It's just a good thing Batman wouldn't think of doing it.
"Spidey can will himself to withstand the effect of knockout gas, it just depends on how powerful the gas's effect really is."
thats by farr your worst argument yet....well for this thread anyways....
the affects of KO gas are part of physiology too bub...
"Not to mention Spidey could just as easily attack him first to render Bruce KO'ed."
or bruce could spray acid in his face...
Originally posted by jinzin
"I wouldn't have suggested Spidey using the speedblitz if Spidey weren't faster than Batman jinzin, jeez, I didn't expect you to think the battle would be that simple whether you supported Batman or not."spiderman isn't the flash...his movements not near instantaneous.....batman sidesteps and jumps and hops out of the way of bullet fire.....he can do the same to spidey....then BANG flash grenade when spidey's in close.....spidey's blinding and confused then gets sprayed with acid...then gets blown up with grenades...
At the starting bell, if Spidey speedblitzed Batman using a necessary amount speed, Batman wouldn't be able to retaliate with a simple hop to the side. Downplaying Spidey's abilites like that is just not good.
Originally posted by StrawNillaSo he'd attack with more general weapons. just as spidey would need to read up to know that he could speedblitz batman.
Batman would still need to read up on Spidey to know when and where to attack, in alot of cases Spidey isn't as vulnerable as say, someone like the Joker, to certain attacks, it's just not a part of physiology.
Originally posted by StrawNillaYour hypocrasy is astounding. . now spidey has preknowledge about batman and batman's attacks?
Spidey can will himself to withstand the effect of knockout gas, it just depends on how powerful the gas's effect really is. Not to mention Spidey could just as easily attack him first to render Bruce KO'ed.
Originally posted by StrawNillaYiou're giving spiderman an unfair advantage. You're giving him prior knowledge of Batman that he doesn't have.
Please don't start on the doging gunfire deal again. Spidey dodges and contorts through gunfire about as easily as Batman himself could walk.At the starting bell, if Spidey speedblitzed Batman using a necessary amount speed, Batman wouldn't be able to retaliate with a simple hop to the side. Downplaying Spidey's abilites like that is just not good.
You're not being fair to spiderman's character. . . This is why I detest when people put a character well above their own abilities. They're not being faithful to the character.
ya know jinzin, i can't figure out if you really hate spidey, or if you just love pissing off spidey fans.
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ps-straight up, facing each on a dark street, spidey wins. much as i like BOTH these 'classic-types' spidey'd beat bats in hth like he has beaten dd and punisher - he's just too fast and strong and has too much range advantage. (and just because he gets tagged with a billy club doesn't mean the fight was over - and give a LITTLE cred to dd, he's a tough, smart sob - almost as tough as bats!) the knock gas stuff is cheesy and wouldn't work for a bunch of reasons.
any prep, bats. he'd get something to muck up the spidey sense, then hit him with something spidey COULDN'T avoid to bring him down.
and about the flippin' kingpin - that dude's messed up punisher, dd and the red skull, to name just a few. i know he's fat, but he's gotta be more respectable than 2-face!!
how the hell do you always manage to drag me into these things . . .
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Originally posted by jinzinThen once again I'm right. Read what I posted carefully this time. You don't seem to get it.
yep but that was an actually plausible battle result....
Originally posted by brainchild81Once again....Please try harder.
Cap would win though, Bats admits Cap has a slight edge in every crossover fight not decided on by fan(boy) votes.
Originally posted by jinzin
"Spidey can will himself to withstand the effect of knockout gas, it just depends on how powerful the gas's effect really is."thats by farr your worst argument yet....well for this thread anyways....
the affects of KO gas are part of physiology too bub..."Not to mention Spidey could just as easily attack him first to render Bruce KO'ed."
or bruce could spray acid in his face...
Like I said, depending on the strength of the effect of knockout gas, Spidey could/could not withstand it. My point is, you need a strong, strong batch of KO gas to bring him down completely.
The whole point of my argument about Spidey blitzing Batman is to say that he could attack Bruce before Bruce could retaliate effectively, especially past the point where Bruce would be able to pull off a trick like an acid spray. You must think Spidey is pretty slow to expect him to fall to that during a speedblitz.
"Please don't start on the doging gunfire deal again."
why cause it totally trashes you're speedblitze argument?........okay....oh wait...NOT!
"At the starting bell, if Spidey speedblitzed Batman using a necessary amount speed, Batman wouldn't be able to retaliate with a simple hop to the side. Downplaying Spidey's abilites like that is just not good."
the necessary amount of speed would be at least on par with quicksilver...or bullet fire...spidey IS NOT THAT FAST!
Originally posted by StrawNillaHe wouldn't though as he doesn't know that he can speedblitz Batman.
The whole point of my argument about Spidey blitzing Batman is to say that he could attack Bruce before Bruce could retaliate effectively, especially past the point where Bruce would be able to pull off a trick like an acid spray. You must think Spidey is pretty slow to expect him to fall to that during a speedblitz.
Please stop being unfair to Spiderman by repeating the speedblitz thing.
"ya know jinzin, i can't figure out if you really hate spidey, or if you just love pissing off spidey fans."
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"and just because he gets tagged with a billy club doesn't mean the fight was over - and give a LITTLE cred to dd, he's a tough, smart sob - almost as tough as bats!) "
no...but it was 11 hits later when spiderman was unconcious....
Originally posted by CreshoskWhat on earth are you talking about? Did you read it or just look @ the pictures & skim through it?
Wow then his spidersense would be 100% useless in a fight.Because it'd be going off all the bloody time. . .
That looks like it wasn't very well thought out writing.
Why would it go off if there isn't a threat?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yiou're giving spiderman an unfair advantage. You're giving him prior knowledge of Batman that he doesn't have.You're not being fair to spiderman's character. . . This is why I detest when people put a character well above their own abilities. They're not being faithful to the character.
And what's so out of character about Spidey KO'ing an enemy or opponent? That's obviously pulling his punches, if Spidey wanted to kill him all he'd have to do is use more force and THAT'S out of character.
You're trying to make the Spidey supporters look like a couple of bad guys just because we can't agree with you and for the fact that for every kick through a wooden board Batman can pull of Spidey can counter with a kick through a solid concrete wall.
Bottom line:
Spidey-superhuman
Batman-peak human
Spidey's not an idiot, he knows that if Batman just won't stay down when he's knocked down then it's only necessary that he gets knocked out.
<<That was showing that the spider sense isn't as uber as people make it out to be.>>
i know. sometimes it DOES get overrated but it is an advantage nonetheless and spidey's reactions to it are instinctual. he wouldn't need to know WHAT bats was going to do - just needs to know to get the f^%$ out of the way of WHATEVER he was doing. that, i believe is where the range advantage would come in, along with the webs. spidey could stay away from bats until he found a time/opportunity to strike in close. that's why i don't think spidey would REALLY ever get the chance to ko bats though. bats would realize quickly what he was up against and find a way to delay/confuse spidey and scram. then he'd come back with something that would take spidey out - probably the JLA.
heheh