Originally posted by Creshosk
As opposed to the typical spiderman fanboy response of "Let's remove spidey's opponents powers! Because we don't want spiderman to actuall fight the person, just are own preconcieved idea of who he's fighting."No freaking duh if spiderman hit batman spiderman would win. But batman isn't stupid enough to just stand there.
Oh yeah spiderman can move faster than anyone on earth!
You honestly think that Spiderman wouldn't be able to land one punch on Batman?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Batman is going down. There is no attack that he could implement that Spiderman could not evade. Batman may have greater mastery of martial arts, but there is no way in hell he can compete with Spiderman's physical prowess, superhuman reflexes, senses, and speed. The gadgets in his toolbelt may help him to some degree, but not enough to earn him a win. Once again, Batman goes down.
Spider-man’s punches will be the same as Batman getting hit by a car/van 🙁 one/two punches bats out.
People don’t tell me he won’t even touch batman, Spiderman is super fast.
Batman is peak human speed.
Batman is faster than spider-man ? Nope
Batman has more tricks than Spider man ? Yes, but Spiderman has his senses; he won't get hit by shit like that.
Spider-man can warp batman like a mummy, break every bone in his body, hand him up etc.
Batman can only throw stuff and miss; his fighting ability won’t help him much against.
Batman’s punches/kicks peak human won’t do much damage to spidy.
Spidy’s punches/kicks will be like getting hit by a car.
Originally posted by kgkg
trueSpider-man’s punches will be the same as Batman getting hit by a car/van 🙁 one/two punches bats out.
People don’t tell me he won’t even touch batman, Spiderman is super fast.
Batman is peak human speed.
Batman is faster than spider-man ? Nope
Batman has more tricks than Spider man ? Yes, but Spiderman has his senses; he won't get hit by shit like that.
Spider-man can warp batman like a mummy, break every bone in his body, hand him up etc.Batman can only throw stuff and miss; his fighting ability won’t help him much against.
Batman’s punches/kicks peak human won’t do much damage to spidy.
Spidy’s punches/kicks will be like getting hit by a car.
Some people just can't grasp this concept. 🙁
Hey, Creshok, nice one.
Were not NEGOCIATING whether the heroes know who each other are or not. We negociating the fact which one has the power to destroy the other, so it doesnt matter if Spiderman doesnt know who Batman is.
Basically what im saying, Creshok, is your arguement is weak. Your not actually argueing that spiderman/batman could beat one another, your argueing spiderman wouldnt know HOW to beat batman or if Batman is a potential threat.
So lets look at it on this level... Which character, given the circumstances, could beat one another? None of this "Spiderman doesnt know batman" crap.
in most of their battles, dd is always saying/thinking - i cannot get into a hth contest with this guy - he's way faster and way stronger than me. bats is better than dd, but not THAT much better. spidey also did a good job of beating up on ironfist. though the battle wasn't over spidey clearly had the upper hand and likely COULD have ended it were ironfist not a one-time friend. in that battle it is remarked by spidey that though fist has trained a lifetime and has made his body a living weapon, the only weapons he has ever needed 'were the proportionate strength and speed of a spider' - he evades all of fist's punches in darkness relying only on his spider sense (which IS at times overrated but was enormously efective in THIS battle) to dodge the blows before he sneaks in and he clobbers fist. he also managed to web shang chi to a wall in a battle (shang somehow summoned the strength to escape by . . . breaking DOWN the brick wall . . . ???)
bats may have bombs, but one pic of spidey getting smacked by a bomb does not reveal the literally dozens of times green goblin used them and missed him, or spidey webbed them and caught them. knock out gas MIGHT work in the right situation, were they confined, but even then spidey's mask acts as a partial filter and his enhanced endurance could compensate while used his webs or perhaps tried to get in close enough to end things where he had an advantage over guys like fist and dd. i like bats a lot, but straight up, though he'd hit spidey a few times and it wouldn't be easy, in the end spidey is just too much physically, despite bats's training.
as far as spidey doesn't know bats - if the two met for the first time, it's likely BATS would be the overconfident one. he's much taller and physically more imposing than spidey. he comes across as bleak and menacing while spidey would probably be cracking wise.
if bats DID know it was spidey he was going to be fighting though, he would certainly come prepared to take spidey down by scrambling his spidey sense and having long range weapons that could take spidey out.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Call me a nitpicker but you just said two different things.
Two different concepts. His spidersense didn't help him with the area effect explosion.
Originally posted by Swanky-TunaThey insist on giving him extra knowledge to enable him to come to a conclusion that he could not come to with out the extra knowledge.
Explain. I'm not missing anything.
Originally posted by Swanky-TunaThat part of the post was intended for the one(s) who do.
If you'd been keeping up, you'd see I'm not the one toting the speedblitz idea. I did support the option to do so though.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna It makes far more sense for Spidey fighting to the best of his ability while staying in character to bounce around like a superball in a hallway like he has then it does for Batman fighting to the best of his ability while staying in character to immediately use what may be lethal force.[/b]
I think its out of character for him to be stupid and act without knowledge of what he's up against.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna At their best, against strangers, would Spiderman be more likely to be fast and slippery or Batman more likely try to kill someone he doesn't know? [/B]It's not likely for spiderman to reach a conclusion with limited data.
Originally posted by StrawNillaWithout the knowledge of who batman is?
Spidey would come to the conclusion
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeLike an explosion? Like the one he got hit with by the Goblin?
Batman is going down. There is no attack that he could implement that Spiderman could not evade.
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeHe might be able to.
You honestly think that Spiderman wouldn't be able to land one punch on Batman?
The argument is against speed blitzing. Spiderman would only speedblitz if he knew before had who batman was.
If Spiderman is given this extra knowledge, it's only fair to give the knowledge of the opponent to Batman as well. In that case if Spiderman does speedblitz Batman could hit him with an explosion like Goblin does in spiderman's own books.
Originally posted by kgkgLike he did by the goblin?
he won't get hit by shit like that.
Originally posted by IRTMU-DragonNo, you're demanding to give this knowledge to Spiderman, or at least on of you is.
Hey, Creshok, nice one.Were not NEGOCIATING whether the heroes know who each other are or not.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I think its out of character for him to be stupid and act without knowledge of what he's up against.It's not likely for spiderman to reach a conclusion with limited data.
First off Creshosk Nilla isn't saying Spidey will speedblitz off the bat. Not saying that Spidey has any prior knowledge of Batman. Unless I mistaken..And if I am then this is a good explanation anyways....Spidey is fighting with Batman, finds out how weak Batman is to him but the fight will only win once the other won't get up anymore. So he speed blitz him. Batman would have time to find out how much stronger Spidey is also. But he couldn't do anything about it. Spidey doesn't have a weakness that can just be found out as fast as Spidey can find out that Batman is just human. Nothing else. So after a bit of fighting, and Spidey running circles around Batman, and if Batman managed to get a hit or so off of Spidey in that time Spidey would know how much he'd need to hold back to KO Batman. Meanwhile Batman is trying to figure out how Spidey can easily dodge anything he throws, and trying to find a flaw in it, and then WHAM Spidey speed blitz.
Originally posted by Creshosk
And you're intentionally ignoring the fact that Spiderman does not know who Batman is. He did not have the prep time needed to decide to rush Batman. He does not know if he can rush Batman without getting his ass handed to him.The only way that he would know to speedblitz Batman is if he had the knowledge that Batman is not someone who is stronger or who if struck would absorb or burn or mutilate Spiderman.
You are giving him the prior knowledge needed to decide to speedblitz.
He does not have this knowledge.
He would not speedblitz.
If you continue to insist Spiderman speedblitzes, you are continuing to give him the knowledge of who Batman is.
In which case it would only be fair to give Batman the knowledge of who Spider man is.
If you insist on Spiderman speedblitzing Batman then Spiderman will lose as batman will know to throw a bomb at Spiderman in the same manner as the goblin pictured here:
Originally posted by StrawNillaExactly
One other thing: what's with scanning only half the picture in that link of yours? I'm beginning to think that someone's hiding something.....
Spidey goes all out, trying to kill Bats in a single hit. Batman's fighting ability picks up the slack (as shown by many marvel characters.) Batman takes his pick of shots and destroys spidey.
Spidey "speed blitzes," manages to hit Bats once before vomiting in his own mask and bleeding to death from his mouth (death touch attack.)
Spidey picks up car and attempt to hurl it at Batman, batman has his pick of ways to dispose of spidey (diamond tip grappling hook to the eye, multiple grenades, multiple batarangs. all of which end up with spidey underneath a car.
Spidey goes all out with his webbing, Batman sees the elaborate gesture, uses his cape technique, dodges relatively slow projectile with ease. Spidey must use another tactic.
Spidey plays it defensivley, Gives Batman plenty of time to strategize. Batman goes down sure and steady to an array of gadgets.
"Poor Batman fanboy, you forgot to tell us that the Hobgoblin in this picture is Jason Philip Macendale, Hobgoblin II, after he was enhanced from Kraven's serum at full potential, he was even stronger than Spider-Man, nearly equal in speed sector, he has superhuman stamina, endurance and reflexes.
Batman is not at Hobby 2 level."
no we didn't forget.....it was just uneeded info....seeing has how hobby's carelessly TOSSING said bomb into the air.....HE'S TOSSING it, NOT THROWING it! his super human yadda yadda doesn't mean anything where that proof is concerned...