Batman vs Spiderman

"Spider-man’s punches will be the same as Batman getting hit by a car/van one/two punches bats out. "

so even though batman took class 8 to 10 punches before, and solid whacks from clay face.......spiderman's punches are suddenly gonna do what hasn't been done yet and turn him into jello? nu-uh.

"People don’t tell me he won’t even touch batman, Spiderman is super fast."

not as fast as a bullet.....or 30 for that matter.....or 40

"Batman is peak human speed."

with above human showings...

"Batman is faster than spider-man ? Nope"

don't think we ever made that claim 😕

"Batman has more tricks than Spider man ? Yes, but Spiderman has his senses; he won't get hit by shit like that."

obviously........has spiderman has never been hit by anything ever......EVER!

"Spider-man can warp batman like a mummy, break every bone in his body, hand him up etc."

maybe if batman was just standing there...or didn't have his gadgets or his suit or...etc...etc.

"Batman can only throw stuff and miss; his fighting ability won’t help him much against."

as one can obviously see by the pic where he's taking out three guys with a richoceted batarang while being fired at dodging bullets...while not looking... or when a lob of a pumpkin took spidey out....

"Batman’s punches/kicks peak human won’t do much damage to spidy.
Spidy’s punches/kicks will be like getting hit by a car."

spidey got knocked out by 12 daredevil punches....batmans got more power more tools...and more smarts than DD....you figure it out....

<<spidey got knocked out by 12 daredevil punches....batmans got more power more tools...and more smarts than DD....you figure it out....>.

you're right jinzin, but if you're going to use that argument, you need to tell about the many (majority of) times spidey beat or was beating dd - badly. dd is certainly capable of beating spiderman in the right circumstances - and he has, but by dd's own admission he can't hang with spidey in a straight hth fight. and there aren't many better (half dozen maybe? maybe 10)? in hth in the marvel universe than dd. in a straight up battle, dd might win 2/10? without tricks or prep. without 'special' prep, using only the stuff he generally has, i say bats maybe 3-4/10. outta 10, how many times you think bats beats spidey in a straight up fight?

No, now you've gone and overestimated DD's fighting abilities. there are probably at least 50 better fighters than DD in marvel.

point is, dd is VERY good - i doubt there are 50 better though. he's beaten electra and ironfist, and i doubt there are 50 better than those 2. anyway, that's beside the point - coupled with his radar dd is BETTER than most simply excellent hth guys. dd's fought them all, and he's ruthless, very similar to bats in many ways - just not quite as skilled. (dd's hung with cap who is pretty damn close to bats) but even given that, dd only very rarely scores a win over spidey. bats could win more often, but i don't think overwhelmingly more often. i essentially DOUBLED bats's chances against spidey. is bats really TWICE as good as dd? certainly not in the x-over, but still, bats is bats.

Coupled with radar i'll give it to you. Without it I was being generous by saying only 50. Coupled with Radar, no probably not twice as good, but in gadgets alone, much more than twice as good. Take tactics into consideration, and yeah, he's probably all in all, at least twice as good as DD.

This is more of a tie

bats is great tactically, no doubt. but dd is pretty damn good too. i think 4/10 is a pretty fair estimate for bats.

Originally posted by jinzin
"Spider-man’s punches will be the same as Batman getting hit by a car/van one/two punches bats out. "

so even though batman took class 8 to 10 punches before, and solid whacks from clay face.......spiderman's punches are suddenly gonna do what hasn't been done yet and turn him into jello? nu-uh.

"People don’t tell me he won’t even touch batman, Spiderman is super fast."

not as fast as a bullet.....or 30 for that matter.....or 40

"you're right jinzin, but if you're going to use that argument, you need to tell about the many (majority of) times spidey beat or was beating dd - badly. dd is certainly capable of beating spiderman in the right circumstances - and he has, but by dd's own admission he can't hang with spidey in a straight hth fight. and there aren't many better (half dozen maybe? maybe 10)? in hth in the marvel universe than dd. in a straight up battle, dd might win 2/10? without tricks or prep. without 'special' prep, using only the stuff he generally has, i say bats maybe 3-4/10. outta 10, how many times you think bats beats spidey in a straight up fight?"

okay...I get your point....and you're right.....but people keep thinking his spider sense will overcompensate for everything.....it won't.....dd outsmarted it with a billy club......that's not exactly the most technologically advanced means ya know......batman's got better tools and is more versatile.....he can definitely overcome it.......

and then the second point was to let spidey fans know that human fists CAN actually hurt spidey....cause they can......

IMO i think bats using the full extent of his skill and tools wins at most 6 out of 10....at least...5 out of 10....

"So you're actually saying that if Spidey punched Bats in the face with the intent to kill or KO, that Bats would neither die or pass out?"

I've already admitted that is spidey hit bats dead on and bats just took it....he would probably die......the reason why he was able to tke multiple punches from the class 10 tonner was because he knew exactly HOW to take them....he also wasn't wearing his suit....I argued this before batman can easily roll with the punches...when I did argue it...you guys mocked me....I have no idea why you mocked me since batman's already displayed this ability....couple that with his suit and the fact that he's not exactly gonna be forced to h2h cause he'll have his gadgets this time...and the fact that he won't be standing around waiting for the punch.....yeah he'll be able to handle himself and survive......

"jinzin. That "not as fast as a bullet.....or 30 for that matter.....or 40" s**t is lame and irrelevant."

not really....not by how the spidey fans are arguing....you guys keep claiming that spidermans spider sense will allow him to dodge EVERYTHING the darknight throws at him.....but like I've said before...he's been hit by street level speed guys...............HUNDREDS upon hundreds of times......yet batman's not gonna be able to touch him with h2h skills, projectiles, gas, bombs, etc...........if you keep arguing that his spider sense is impossible o penetrate for the purposes of this fight then I'll argue that batman can't be hit by automatic weapons fire comming in from different angles and multiple opponents....so what chance does spidey have of "hitting him so fast he won't even see it coming? or speed blitzing him?

let me ask you something else? how is spidey's spider sense gonna help him against a high freq emitor?.......cause it really shouldn't....

First, Bats would have to have himself already protected against this and Spidey is known for yanking weapons out of people's hands. In the time it takes Bats to pull this out Spidey could reasonably have webbed him in place. Bats is not in Spidey's league as far as dodging things goes. Spidey has taken on Swat teams (Not thugs w/bad aim) that he wasn't even trying to hurt and avoided every shot. Pretty much any streetlevel person he fights admits that Spidey could easily whip them if he was going full blast. Spidey is well known for holding back because if he didn't he'd be a murderer. You know this! Spidey has a far better chance of landing shots than these people who have: DS, Shiva, and Joker, and Bane. None are faster than bullets. None are faster or even as fast as Spidey. Come on now. Joker got the taste smacked outta his mouth. The Joker would not lay a finger on Spidey. When Spidey fought Delila(a superpowered ninja type chick) while in his Ricochet disguise he had to LET her get hits in so she wouldn't guess who he was. Most humans who gave Spidey any comp did it Very early in Spidey's career and even then, he was holding back.

Originally posted by jinzin
"not by how the spidey fans are arguing....you guys keep claiming that spidermans spider sense will allow him to dodge EVERYTHING the darknight throws at him.....

Why is in your scenario Batman the attacker, and Spider-Man the defender ?

but like I've said before...he's been hit by street level speed guys

...............HUNDREDS upon hundreds of times......

yet batman's not gonna be able to touch him with h2h skills, projectiles, gas, bombs, etc...........if you keep arguing that his spider sense is impossible o penetrate for the purposes of this fight then I'll argue that batman can't be hit by automatic weapons fire comming in from different angles and multiple opponents....

You concentrate too much on the times it didn't work (on time), but you like to ignore the thousands upon thousands times it actually saved his life. I said it before and I'll say it again : in 90 % of his battles, it works just fine.

Assuming that for some reason it won't work as it should work when facing the Dark Knight, is wishful thinking.

Another mistake you like to make, is to assume that without his spider-sense, Spider-Man will be a walk in the park. He fights (well, fought lol) Venom on a daily basis without his spider-sense, and Venom is a whole lot faster, stronger and more durable than Batman will ever be.

"First, Bats would have to have himself already protected against this and Spidey is known for yanking weapons out of people's hands. In the time it takes Bats to pull this out Spidey could reasonably have webbed him in place."

this is exactly what I was talking about....you're giving all of the benifit of the doubt to spidey while taking EVERYTHING away from batman.....spiderman's spider sense is good....it's just not THAT good....he gets hit all the time by people with far less skill than batman has...so my point remains.....i spidey gonna dodge everthing according to you....so will bats....he doesn't even have to dodge it.....he can just use his cape....

"Bats is not in Spidey's league as far as dodging things goes. Spidey has taken on Swat teams (Not thugs w/bad aim)"

lol...okay so you know the training of the thugs in question....hmm...based on what exactly?
Raz is no idiot...and in the story in question....he was taking a HUGE gamble....reason stands to say that he took this gamble with consideration....with over 1000 years experience.....the guy isn't just hiring bums of the street......who are you to say they have bad aim? once again taking everything away from batman........considering he dodges bullets like that all the time....maybe it's cause he's just really really good.....maybe...

"Pretty much any streetlevel person he fights admits that Spidey could easily whip them if he was going full blast."

hmmmmmm nope....DD might.....but cap.....nah he was very unimpressed when he put spidey on his ass....

You got scans? How long ago was this?

"Why is in your scenario Batman the attacker, and Spider-Man the defender ?"

gee mister pot....I'm just the kettle....you tell me...

"And Batman hasn't . Gimme a break will you"

no I will not......lol......and I never said that he hasn't had I? stop putting words in my mouth...I realize it's you're only real chance...but please it's annoying....hahahaha

"Don't forget to exaggerate."

oh please if I truley wanted to I could find those hundreds upon hundreds of times.......unfortunately I'm not THAT bad of a geek.........and that's saying a lot...

First of all, in a vs-thread we assume both Spider-Man and Batman are fighting with all their abilities in top shape. This means Spider-Man's spidersense works perfectly.

"You concentrate too much on the times it didn't work (on time), but you like to ignore the thousands upon thousands times it actually saved his life. I said it before and I'll say it again : in 90 % of his battles, it works just fine."

no.....but it's been pointed out his spider sense can't help him in certain situations...

Assuming that for some reason it won't work as it should work when facing the Dark Knight, is wishful thinking.

like assuimg spidey's spider sense will help him against EVERTHING

"Another mistake you like to make, is to assume that without his spider-sense, Spider-Man will be a walk in the park. He fights (well, fought lol) Venom on a daily basis without his spider-sense, and Venom is a whole lot faster, stronger and more durable than Batman will ever be."

unless spiderman can just take a grenade to the face...................which he can't it will be.......here's the thing batman has way to manyy options to go with for attacks with wide base volume......for gas and grenades and acid spray....spiderman will be forced to take flight.....batman can still nail him while in midair with something else.....that's the beauty of him being a aster tactician......you still haven't found a way for spiderman to deal with bat's high pitch freq emitor...

"You got scans? How long ago was this?"

yeah I do............they're around page 80 of spiderman vs. trio thread.....late 70's or early 80's

Thanks. Gotta go to work. See ya'll later.

later man....take it easy.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Bats only needs on hit to kill Spidey, what's your point?

since when does spidey kill?