Batman vs Spiderman

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Batman is superior, can even control chi (which some will say it takes time, but it has never been shown to take any time, and the fact that he can do it but is never shown doing it might lead an intellegent person to beleive he's always doing it or doing it at will) so "logically" batman can produce even more force than said martial artist, and has even proven to do so in comics (sixteen year old bruce cracks 3 foot wide tree wide open, and don't you even dare tell me trees aren't hard, just look at crashed vehicle footage.)

Rule 1 proven...

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
"Spidey punches threw brick walls," "Spidey knocks over steel doors," right... Like It's something that those loveable travelling monks don't do on a regular basis. There's your real world logic, one where Batman hits harder than Spidey.

Rule 2 proven..

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
It's pretty obvious that every pro-spidey poster on this thread values stats rather highly, but there is many stats that there precious cards and guides don't show. These are intellectual stats mostly, so it's no wonder why none of the pro-spidey posters value them.

Rule 3 proven..

Might as well pack up spidey supporters..no way are you gonna win this one... 🙄 😆 😆

Originally posted by whobdamandog

1. "No history can be considered" argument..

Description: To the fanboy..this means that no stories that occured in the character's history should be allowed into the debate. This includes regular issues where Captain A is shown to taking down a non powered Street thug..or DD is able to gauge how fast a bad guy is moving on a roof top by detecting their pulse rate. These types of arguments are usually easily rebutted, by another equally regular argument..(ie But Spider Man beat this street thug, Wolverine beat this street thug..so they can't be used..stuff like that)

2. "These aren't comic book characters..you can't apply comic book logic!!!" argument

Description: Essentially what that Fanboy is trying to imply is that there should be no form of "suspension of disbelief" when reading comic books. What the Fanboy doesn't realize, however, is that there has to be some form of it especially in comic books, or else there would be no comics just non-fiction stories. No heros gaining powers from spiderbites, genetic mutations, gamma radiation etc.

3. "My stats are all that count!!" argument..

Description: This essentially means that the Fanboy doesn't agree with how the comic book companies define a character and their abilities in the actual comics. Argument 1 is usually used to support this by speculating characters doing things that their comics don't ever show them being able to do, any 1 or 2 comic books. Usually these examples are their beloved characters doing things such as punching through steel or kicking through trees. and then applying it to the opponent and discarding the opponents stats. If person A has better stats than Person B then person A will always beat person B, even if in the comics Person A is always beaten by Person B.

Once you realize and are able to define that these 3 types of arguments are being used by the person you are debating with, you can identify them as a "FANBOY", and as I generally do..leave the thread, and expend your energy/knowledge in other topics/forumns..

Hope this helps you out a bit....

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Batman is superior, can even control chi (which some will say it takes time, but it has never been shown to take any time, and the fact that he can do it but is never shown doing it might lead an intellegent person to beleive he's always doing it or doing it at will) so "logically" batman can produce even more force than said martial artist, and has even proven to do so in comics (sixteen year old bruce cracks 3 foot wide tree wide open, and don't you even dare tell me trees aren't hard, just look at crashed vehicle footage.)

I don't want another chi- or psi-explanation, just a pic.

Thank you.

well neway batman is more durable than spiderman. Or at least he can take more pain.....i.e. bane breaks his back........in Hush no. 1 he falls from spidermans swinging height and lives. and he can fight better he knows every martial art. he kicked SPAWNS ass. spiderman only nos how to punch. spiderman isnt smart when it comes to batman. batman would cheat and like drop mj from a building and then when spiderman goes to save her he has a trap already set and the somehow he blows them up or something.

Originally posted by long pig
Spidey is a horrible fighter.
He punches like most people do, with just his arm...and with little effectiveness.

This is past ridiculous, pretending that a guy that can press over 20,000 pounds can't bust a skull wide open no matter whose skull it is....

I hope that I don't offend anyone who isn't allowed to watch movies that contain graphic violence, but as an adult I prefer to watch movies that are rated R and don't try to tone REALITY down.

You know what you won't see when media is toned down...they're the same things that you won't see in a comic book... Bloodsoaked images of wolverine ripping the guts out of guys and their intestines hanging off of his claws, Collosus Hulk or Juggernaut punching gallons of blood from their enemies, Venom ripping someones throat out with his teeth in a graphic display that includes blood spurting from the mutilated corpse.....

All of these things would be seen and plentifully if comics were meant for adults....but they're still cool even though they're TONED DOWN for a younger audience...

Hulk COULD knock off many many heads and limbs, and break even more bones...

Wolverine COULD run his claws through Shatterstar and spill pints of blood...he did the claw stab but I guess Shatterstar doesn't bleed.....(PG remember?)

Spidey COULD maim, mutilate, and dismember opponents....BUT...he's a nice guy so he holds back A LOT and when it's stated that Spidey isn't holding back it's still a PG comic where realism is trumped by age apropriateness...So why would anyone expect to see skull splatterings?
How many skulls have Batman splattered? It would be an ignorant statement saying that Bat's can't do it...considering his skill and strength.

And it's just plain denial to imply that Spidey can't do it without trying hard if he's not hampered by having to be appropriate for kids and adults....

If this fight were a cartoon or a PG movie (or in a comic book) then I would say that each one has a fifty fifty chance of success.

In an adult, no holds barred, R rated movie where nothing was given to or taken away from each character's abilities, Batman stands no chance at all...NO CHANCE!!! 😮‍💨

When did batman become shin akuma.

Spidey actually does kick quite often .

He has his own fighting style, which is nigh impossible to defend against.

How are you going to kung fu a man who crawls walls for chrissakes.I can see a Marine beating up a alien or predator in hand to hand with "fighting styles''

Bats became physically superhuman, if he's so powerful he does'nt need to be. Remember he has NO POWERS

This takes the cake, poos it out, eats it again, pukes it out,and eats it again. If you're gonna lie, use some sex appeal, so my nipples can at least get hard when i have to see it.

TRY HARDER.

Track. Record.

Spider-Man loses more than any major superhero.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Track. Record.

Spider-Man loses more than any major superhero.

1. Care to give us some exact numbers please ?

2. Spider-Man is, despite his powers, one of the most realistic Marvel (and even DC) heroes there are. He's absolutely not perfect, and that's why I like him. Spider-Man can indeed be beaten, and that happens from time to time.

I don't remember anybody saying he was Mr. Perfect, unlike Batman who claims to be "only" human, but apparently can trade punches with the Hulk and knock down trees with ease (he does that all the time, pick up a Batman comic - any Batman comic - and you'll see the trees hitting the ground, one after the other).

3. Spider-Man has much more dangerous enemies than Batman, and mostly fights them alone, with little to no preptime, and without a huge enterprise giving him all kinds of crazy weapons.

4. Would you dare to compare the track record of the people Spider-Man has beaten with his bare hands (no tricks, no weapons, no back-up plans, no help) with the track record of the people Batman has beaten with his bare hands ?

I wouldn't do it, if I were you.

I said a long time ago:
Without prep, Spider-man wins.
Give Batman prep, and he wins.

Dammit people! 😠

Originally posted by long pig
I said a long time ago:

Without prep, Spider-man wins.
Give Batman prep, and he wins.

Without prep, Spider-Man wins.
Give Batman prep, and he has a good chance.

Don't thank me, I am here to help.

Originally posted by 28Dave37
well neway batman is more durable than spiderman. Or at least he can take more pain.....i.e. bane breaks his back........in Hush no. 1 he falls from spidermans swinging height and lives. and he can fight better he knows every martial art. he kicked SPAWNS ass. spiderman only nos how to punch. spiderman isnt smart when it comes to batman. batman would cheat and like drop mj from a building and then when spiderman goes to save her he has a trap already set and the somehow he blows them up or something.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Almost correct. But to be perfect, it should be like this :

Without prep, Spider-Man wins.
Give Batman prep, and he has a good chance.

Don't thank me, I am here to help.

He'd be able to come up with the things needed to deal with Spiderman such as non-stick capes and clothing, maybe a frequncy emitter thing to thwart the spidersense. . . And maybe a special suit all together to go toe to toe with spiderman.

Don't thank me, I am here to help. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually I think with prep Batman stands a better chance than spiderman does.

He'd be able to come up with the things needed to deal with Spiderman such as non-stick capes and clothing, maybe a frequncy emitter thing to thwart the spidersense. . . And maybe a special suit all together to go toe to toe with spiderman.

Don't thank me, I am here to help. 🙂

Anything else ? A few atomic bombs ?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually I think with prep Batman stands a better chance than spiderman does.

He'd be able to come up with the things needed to deal with Spiderman such as non-stick capes and clothing, maybe a frequncy emitter thing to thwart the spidersense. . . And maybe a special suit all together to go toe to toe with spiderman.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Non-stick capes.... frequency emitter to thwart the spider-sense ... special suit...

Anything else ? A few atomic bombs ?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Wow! It's amazing what he can do w/prep. Too bad there's no prep here.

Yeah, oh well.

Originally posted by brainchild81
The idea of Spidey (who's way faster than Bats is) webbing Bats up(Even though he webs people up all the time) just doesn't compute fanboys does it?

Originally posted by who?-kid
Allow me to quote you, I like that sentence 🙂.

I should clearify:

If batman has something to hide behind he'd probably do that.

In an enclosed dome room with nowhere to go Spiderman has this in the bag.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because batman will just stand there in the fight. . . right.

😆

But seriously now, have you ever seen Spider-Man webbing someone up ? It's not like he has to aim for half an hour, far from it. He bounces from wall to wall, does a back-flip and and webs his opponent up.

And he misses VERY rarely. He is as much a master with his web as Captain America is with his shield. Now that I think of it, Spider-Man has an exceptional aim. Like he said himself one time : I miss as much as the pope has girlfriends.

So his web is extremely hard to dodge. And even if Batman dodges it, well, he won't dodge the second web 2 seconds later.

Originally posted by 28Dave37
spiderman isnt smart when it comes to batman. batman would cheat and like drop mj from a building and then when spiderman goes to save her he has a trap already set and the somehow he blows them up or something.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Well according to some Batman defenders, Spider-Man will also just stand there if Batman unleashes his 127 Martial Arts from Hell on Spider-Man's ass.

😆

Originally posted by who?-kid
But seriously now, have you ever seen Spider-Man webbing someone up ? It's not like he has to aim for half an hour, far from it. He bounces from wall to wall, does a back-flip and and webs his opponent up.

Originally posted by who?-kid
And he misses VERY rarely. He is as much a master with his web as Captain America is with his shield. Now that I think of it, Spider-Man has an exceptional aim. Like he said himself one time : I miss as much as the pope has girlfriends.

Originally posted by who?-kid
So his web is extremely hard to dodge. And even if Batman dodges it, well, he won't dodge the second web 2 seconds later.