Batman vs Spiderman

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Here's some real world logic for you, BATMAN HITS HARDER THAN SPIDER MAN. "Real World" fighters have shown to hit there opponents with devastating effect. Mirko Crocop kicks Heath Herring and crushes his side breaking several ribs and bruising organs. Julio Cesar Chaves leaves that one black guy who use to be champ severely brain damaged while wearing 12 ounce gloves. Tank Abbot crushes opponents face (several fractures to face.) MMA fight Muay Thai trained fighter breaks opponents leg in half (opponent was blocking.)

Spiderman has done nothing like this to the street level opponents he's faced even while trying to severely injure or kill.

Batman injures opponents, seemingly at will.

BATMAN HITS HARDER THAN SPIDERMAN!!!

i see no point in further debating with people who actually
think batman punches harder than spiderman.......

whatever, dudes.........later.

Man oh man MERC, I can tell you this as an experienced fighter.

It only takes 3 pounds of pressure per square inch to break a bone, of course you have to apply that to a certain point for that to happen, it's not as difficult as it looks.

I hold your arm out and hit a very exact point on your elbow very hard, it breaks.

Registered fighting styles don't always mean something, granted there are people who are good at hurting people without ever being trained, then there are people who have been trained to fight by Dojo owners, "MOST ARE ONLY IN FOR THE MONEY" and have never been in a real fight where they have to control their emotions, and face people who wont relent and don't have an honor code like they do. Whats worse they let these people become masters "Black Belts" in these arts in only 2,3, or 4 years.

Granted these guys can throw down pretty damn good, but Bats ain't hitting harder than spidey.

Imagine this, a fighting master BRUCE LEE even where to go attack and piss of a 1300 pound polar bear or a 2 ton elephant, animals that if you hit with a truck would wreck a truck. What would happen when technique comes against natural EXTREME physical superiority. What happens then?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Man oh man MERC, I can tell you this as an experienced fighter.

Originally posted by who?-kid
I'll tell you a secret : he's doing it on purpose, telling stupid things about Spider-Man. I guess he likes the attention and likes the fact that he irritates the hell out of people.

Lighten up on merc, he wants bats to win badly.

BATS doesn't have any pre cog does he.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You don't think that a freak in a weird outfit with stuf stuffed into a belt thatr goes around throwing stuff at people has a better chance at existing in the real world that some guy who obtained superpowers from a spider bite?

Pfft, so much for your real world logic.

Comic book logic=/=real world logic.

Stop strawmaning guys, we're not saying that there is NO logic, we're saying comics have their OWN logic.

If real world physics can't be applied to a character's abilities and only PIS/CIS examples are acceptable then what's the point of discussion? What's the point of this forum? Are you saying that the only answers to versus fights on this forum are found in comics? That's not fact Cresh, that's your opinion. I myself would prefer digging deeper into the matter and actually taking into effect advantages and limitations that could be logically applied to both characters.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Here's some real world logic for you, BATMAN HITS HARDER THAN SPIDER MAN. "Real World" fighters have shown to hit there opponents with devastating effect. Mirko Crocop kicks Heath Herring and crushes his side breaking several ribs and bruising organs. Julio Cesar Chaves leaves that one black guy who use to be champ severely brain damaged while wearing 12 ounce gloves. Tank Abbot crushes opponents face (several fractures to face.) MMA fight Muay Thai trained fighter breaks opponents leg in half (opponent was blocking.)

Spiderman has done nothing like this to the street level opponents he's faced even while trying to severely injure or kill.

Batman injures opponents, seemingly at will.

BATMAN HITS HARDER THAN SPIDERMAN!!!

You finally came around to reading this ridiculous statement, and then the funny thing is real world logic doesn't come into power here and then Creshosk contradicts himself by saying the characters for real.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You finally came around to reading this ridiculous statement, and then the funny thing is real world logic doesn't come into power here and then Creshosk contradicts himself by saying the characters for real.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
For the last time....NEITHER CHARACTER EXISTS PERIOD. I don't care if Batman has a better chance of existing because even if he did, I don't see him walking down the driveway leading out of Wayne Manor to get the mail, or slapping the Joker around a city block or two, or busting up Two Face's henchmen, etc, because I'd imagine it would be hard for anyone who does not exist to do so.

If real world physics can't be applied to a character's abilities and only PIS/CIS examples are acceptable then what's the point of discussion? What's the point of this forum? Are you saying that the only answers to versus fights on this forum are found in comics? That's not fact Cresh, that's your opinion. I myself would prefer digging deeper into the matter and actually taking into effect advantages and limitations that could be logically applied to both characters.

In the comic book world you have to use comic book logic. If you use" real world logic none of the characters do exist.

I still think that a loon running around throwing stuff at people has a better chance of existing in the real world than a kid who got powers from a spiderbite. . .

"Batman doesn't exist!"

Lol that's why I say you have selective reading skills. that phrase "Better chance of existing" just frustrates the hell out of you doesn't it? Especially since in the last post I didn't say it was batman nor spiderman in those examples just

a freak in a weird outfit with stuf stuffed into a belt thatr goes around throwing stuff at people

But damn, if "a freak in a weird outfit with stuf stuffed into a belt thatr goes around throwing stuff at people" reads as batman to you. 😆

Originally posted by Creshosk
You have fabulous selective reading skills you know that? 🙂

In the comic book world you have to use comic book logic. If you use" real world logic none of the characters do exist.

I still think that a loon running around throwing stuff at people has a better chance of existing in the real world than a kid who got powers from a spiderbite. . .

"Batman doesn't exist!"

Lol that's why I say you have selective reading skills. that phrase "Better chance of existing" just frustrates the hell out of you doesn't it? Especially since in the last post I didn't say it was batman nor spiderman in those examples just

But damn, if "a freak in a weird outfit with stuf stuffed into a belt thatr goes around throwing stuff at people" reads as batman to you. 😆

I mean, at least there's an explanation for Spidey kicking through concrete, steel, and other dense material...just like there's an explanation for Batman taking out a slew of ninjas. But you can't just mix in a little: "Well, Spidey did beat a herald of Galactus" or "Well, Batman does regualrly mix it up with Supes" and expect people to just agree no questions asked. At the very least logic should be a key factor in this discussion...taking into perspective both the tactical, physical, and hth abilties of both competitors as well as there weapons and to what extent could one use said weapons on the other competitor. It doesn't matter if you can't find the way a character got their powers unrealistic or not and use that as an excuse to use PIS/CIS "logic," for lack of better word. If we were all to do that, than in a Spidey vs. Superman thread I could say that: "Well, aliens don't exist, and Superman is an alien with crazy powers! How redicoulous does that sound? Spidey wins."

Originally posted by long pig
What doesn't he have on Batman?
Hell, he stole Batman's suit and was batter at being batman than batman.
Get outta here.

He has nothing on batman
And it is not batman's fault that his brain got erased by the power pack.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
You can apply real world physics to the abilities of both characters, there's nothing wrong with that and it makes for a logical no nonsense debate. Using comic book logic would only mean mixing both real world physics and out-of-this world, man this is crap type physics.

You mean like altering DNA results in superpowers rather than cancer or death? 🙂

And it would evwen result in different powers despite it being altered in the same exact way?

Yes lets throw that BS "comic" logic out. And just go off of real world logic in these comic book debates. 😉

Originally posted by StrawNilla
I mean, at least there's an explanation for Spidey kicking through concrete, steel, and other dense material...

Originally posted by StrawNilla
just like there's an explanation for Batman taking out a slew of ninjas.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
But you can't just mix in a little: "Well, Spidey did beat a herald of Galactus" or "Well, Batman does regualrly mix it up with Supes" and expect people to just agree no questions asked. At the very least logic should be a key factor in this discussion...taking into perspective both the tactical, physical, and hth abilties of both competitors as well as there weapons and to what extent could one use said weapons on the other competitor. It doesn't matter if you can't find the way a character got their powers unrealistic or not and use that as an excuse to use PIS/CIS "logic," for lack of better word. If we were all to do that, than in a Spidey vs. Superman thread I could say that: "Well, aliens don't exist, and Superman is an alien with crazy powers! How redicoulous does that sound? Spidey wins."

Good and bad are subjective. What one person thinks is good will be bad to another person. And vice versa. 🙂

I guess outclassing him in almost everyway is nothing, I smell a fanboy.

Spidey can sense danger before it happens, not even charles xavier can do that.
Cresh should not say ANYTHING about selective hearing.

Do these characters have any info on the others or is it just a random fight?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I guess outclassing him in almost everyway is nothing, I smell a fanboy.

Based soley on stats Juggernaut outclasses the X-men

He's stronger than any of them, and pretty much invulnerable to their attacks. Especially with that psionic blockign helmet of his. There's no way any of the X-Men can touch him. He could waltz all over them and there's nothing they could do.

So obviously if you think the X-men stand even a snowball's chance you're just a fanboy.

*waits for someone to attack this reasoning*

Nah the X-men win becaue he is outnumbered and he attacks the same for the past multiple decade or so.

Let The X men face one juggernaut for each member, then it will be a some what decent match or so.

Plus Wolverine seems to outstat him in everyway, seeing as even the hulk can't one punch him.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Stats mean something, but they don't mean EVERYTHING.

Based soley on stats Juggernaut outclasses the X-men

He's stronger than any of them, and pretty much invulnerable to their attacks. Especially with that psionic blockign helmet of his. There's no way any of the X-Men can touch him. He could waltz all over them and there's nothing they could do.

So obviously if you think the X-men stand even a snowball's chance you're just a fanboy.

*waits for someone to attack this reasoning*

*attacks*

Bad analogy. First off, Juggernaut doesn't outclass the X-Men. He may be stronger than any single X-Man, but they are far more powerful as a team.

Spiderman, as an individual, outclasses Batman, as an individual.

Juggernaut has an exclusive weakness to telepathy, which is exploited every time the X-Men prevail.

Spiderman has no such vulnerability.

Originally posted by Creshosk
*waits for someone to attack this reasoning*

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
At any given time the X-men have 30 telepaths on hand. And half of them are always Jean Grey's kids. They just have to gang rape the helmets then zap him.

Beat ya.