Thor would win but not easily. Hulk is afraid of one thing on earth, and its Thors hammer. Hulk always tries to get it away from Thor, either by Asking him or taunting him heh, but Thor doesn't stands a chance VS Hulk without, its pretty much the only thing, on earth , that can seriously harm Hulk. Juggy would probably win VS a unarmed Thor, but the Mijolnir tips the scale.
Originally posted by Gilgamesh
Thor would win but not easily. Hulk is afraid of one thing on earth, and its Thors hammer. Hulk always tries to get it away from Thor, either by Asking him or taunting him heh, but Thor doesn't stands a chance VS Hulk without, its pretty much the only thing, on earth , that can seriously harm Hulk. Juggy would probably win VS a unarmed Thor, but the Mijolnir tips the scale.
He doesn't need the mjolnir anymore. He's learned not to rely on it as it a crutch. The way the current thor has been portrayed, he's stronger than odin and is top tier skyfather god. Before his current portrayal, in the latest battle he had with the hulk, he killed the hulk with one arm and no assistance from his godly powers (ie godforce, godblast, odinforce)
He doesn't even need the mjolnir. Juggy vs Thor? No problem.
In fact, he can channel his godblast without any help from the mjolnir and I would wager that it's more powerful without it.
A better opponent for current thor would be Galactus.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
I'm not talking about War Hulk, I'm talking about the regular Hulk that ripped off his helmet. He won that fight as far as he was aware.
actually vision told him that the backlash is what stopped juggernaut. hulk did not.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
If the fight had continued, it wouldn't have really gone anywhere. Jugs had his helmet off, Hulk could have smashed his head in, thus he won.
this is just the noob in you talking 😉 hulk getting the helmet off means nothing. in fact the time where juggernaut did win he defeated hulk.....
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
as Juggernaut is not JUST as strong as Hulk, he's comparable. No force on Earth is as strong as Hulk when he goes beyond the limits of his regular mood.
you mean like the time when juggernaut matched him when he was "on the virge of insanity" with rage??? oh is that his regular mood. i get it now. you are an idiot...... i should have seen it before.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Hulk has proven stronger and Hulk has physically harmed Juggernaut.
no he hasnt....... on either of these. please state an issue because its not true. if you are refering to 404 please as the writer what he thought and he will give you the same answer he gave everybody else. hulk did NOT hurt juggernaut, hence that was the reason for the phsychic backlash in the first place. so the fight would end there.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Why do you state the opposite of facts?
why do you not listen to facts??? i dont state the opposite of facts.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
You can't look into the minds of comic book characters, the only way you can construe what a character feels is by the illustrations. Juggernaut was depicted as grimacing and wincing in pain, thus he feels pain. Simple as that.
it might be an uncomfortable experience, but he feels no pain. he also had a wierd look on his face when the new warriors show up to fight him (when he knocked thor unconscious) does that mean he was feeling pain?? he is a human and has human reactions to the environment around him despite his power. but he feels no pain. you are right on one thing though. we cant look into the minds of comic book characters. but we can ask the writers questions to which i tell you what they said yet you dont listen.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
No. Teleporting your enemy is not dishonorable when the fight has already been taking place. Juggernaut knew full well he was facing Thor. Hulk did NOT know he was facing Juggernaut and by the time he did, he was already dazed and overcome, ergo it is NOT an honorable fight. That's the way it is. This isn't a war, it's a hand-to-hand fight, you're god damn right honor plays into it. Otherwise you're just a coward. Juggernaut didn't 'defeat' Hulk because Hulk wasn't even fighting. It's like saying if I go up to Van Damme and smash his skull in with a shovel, I defeated him in combat. No.Although I could.
Well, teleporting can't exactly be considered a win the way you're sort of putting it. The fight was taking place, Thor knew he wasn't winning any other way, so he took Juggs out of the fight. No definite victory, he sent him away. Honorable or not, a win's a win, in my opinion. And Hulk/Juggernaut, Professor Hulk had ample time to figure out he was fighting someone strong as hell, whether he knew who it was or not. Juggernaut personally would've went there suited up, but he was hired to do a job so that's how it went. And a fight like this, honor does NOT apply. They didn't meet up and say, we're gonna throw down at sunrise, or I'll meet you in the ring, it's a fight, no rules apply here. As I've said, you do what you do to get the job done, and if the other guy can't handle it, especially someone like Hulk who should as everyone's always saying on here, then too damn bad. I still say, when someone close to Hulk's size shows up, and hit's him pretty damn hard a couple of time, he should know that he should get off his ass and prepare to fight, if not, tough shit.
And if Van Damme tryed to pick a fight with me, I'd hit him with a shovel if it's available. Honorable or not by most people's terms, but guess who's walking home?😉
no need to ask the writer shit, IF juggernaut got his ass beat in this 404 issue, it has been written in the comics and is now part of his history, what the writer says after he made the comic doesnt mean anything, writer's do that all the damn time, they've written, penciled, and printed it so thats what it IS and not what it was MEANT to be
wow, and if you think van damme is weak i think you're insane, i've seen actual fights he's been in and his fighting is amazing...sure he's a bad actor but none the less a damn good martial artist
Originally posted by JuggernautFan
actually vision told him that the backlash is what stopped juggernaut. hulk did not.this is just the noob in you talking 😉 hulk getting the helmet off means nothing. in fact the time where juggernaut did win he defeated hulk.....
you mean like the time when juggernaut matched him when he was "on the virge of insanity" with rage??? oh is that his regular mood. i get it now. you are an idiot...... i should have seen it before.
no he hasnt....... on either of these. please state an issue because its not true. if you are refering to 404 please as the writer what he thought and he will give you the same answer he gave everybody else. hulk did NOT hurt juggernaut, hence that was the reason for the phsychic backlash in the first place. so the fight would end there.
why do you not listen to facts??? i dont state the opposite of facts.
it might be an uncomfortable experience, but he feels no pain. he also had a wierd look on his face when the new warriors show up to fight him (when he knocked thor unconscious) does that mean he was feeling pain?? he is a human and has human reactions to the environment around him despite his power. but he feels no pain. you are right on one thing though. we cant look into the minds of comic book characters. but we can ask the writers questions to which i tell you what they said yet you dont listen.
What backlash? He ripped the helmet off, simple as that. So did Thor. So do the X-Men. Of course it means something, it means Hulk can tear off this indestructable helmet and pound on his face. Hulk left the fight, meaning he didn't want to stick around. He was not particularly enraged, if he had gotten as mad as he has gotten at some points, he could beat Juggernaut easily. That's just the way it is. I don't really get the 'Juggernaut won when he defeated Hulk' part. Usually one wins when they defeat the opponent, lol. Being on the verge of insanity means nothing. I've been on the verge of insanity plenty of times, that does not mean your rage increases. You need to understand the difference. You do not, ergo YOU are the idiot here. Lol, he feels uncomfortable, but not pain? That's absurd. He's not going to grimace and scream in agony if he's not feeling pain. Yeah, he's human, and as human he is going to do what humans do when they feel pain. How many people do you know who just scream 'Aarrrgh!' at random?? And before you said he wasn't human, that he was immortal. Which is it?
Originally posted by Tron
Well, teleporting can't exactly be considered a win the way you're sort of putting it. The fight was taking place, Thor knew he wasn't winning any other way, so he took Juggs out of the fight. No definite victory, he sent him away. Honorable or not, a win's a win, in my opinion. And Hulk/Juggernaut, Professor Hulk had ample time to figure out he was fighting someone strong as hell, whether he knew who it was or not. Juggernaut personally would've went there suited up, but he was hired to do a job so that's how it went. And a fight like this, honor does NOT apply. They didn't meet up and say, we're gonna throw down at sunrise, or I'll meet you in the ring, it's a fight, no rules apply here. As I've said, you do what you do to get the job done, and if the other guy can't handle it, especially someone like Hulk who should as everyone's always saying on here, then too damn bad. I still say, when someone close to Hulk's size shows up, and hit's him pretty damn hard a couple of time, he should know that he should get off his ass and prepare to fight, if not, tough shit.And if Van Damme tryed to pick a fight with me, I'd hit him with a shovel if it's available. Honorable or not by most people's terms, but guess who's walking home?😉
I'm not saying honor should always apply, I'm saying that one cannot claim a victory if it's an ambush. You don't always have to fight with honor if that's the way you are, but you don't go around claiming that you beat someone if you jumped him from behind. If, when, I decide to bash Van Damme with a shovel, I'm not going to brag that I kicked his ass. Well I might tell a girl to impress her....
Yeah, I don't know what the writer said, but it really doesn't matter. The writer said Thor should have beaten Superman, but he didn't write it that way, now did he? Writers are not paid to open their mouths about how things should go, they're paid to write how things go in the comic. If they want to claim something different than what they wrote, then they need to write it as such.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
What backlash? He ripped the helmet off, simple as that. So did Thor. So do the X-Men.
do you read the comics..... seriously. just you saying "what backlash" is what makes me laugh. hulk was being mind controlled, and he broke free of it. which is what knocked juggernaut out. this is what i mean by you only read half the story and "ASS-U-ME" that you know whats going on.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Of course it means something, it means Hulk can tear off this indestructable helmet and pound on his face.
that is just stupid........ hulk hitting juggernaut with or without the helmet would make no difference. the purpose of the helmet is to protect juggernaut from PSIONICS. is hulk a psion??? i dont think so......
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Hulk left the fight, meaning he didn't want to stick around.
in hulk 404?? gonna have to be more specific, i dont know what you are talking about.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
He was not particularly enraged,
he was enraged when he figured out he was being mind controlled.....
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
if he had gotten as mad as he has gotten at some points, he could beat Juggernaut easily.
no he couldnt have..... hence the backlash. yes there was a backlash.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
That's just the way it is.
no........ thats the way you see it.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
I don't really get the 'Juggernaut won when he defeated Hulk' part. Usually one wins when they defeat the opponent, lol. Being on the verge of insanity means nothing. I've been on the verge of insanity plenty of times, that does not mean your rage increases.
it wasnt just on the virge of insanity. read the rest........ it was on the virge of insanity WITH RAGE. which was the point of me posting it in the first place. but yet again, you skip over "facts" to try and prove your false points.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
You need to understand the difference.
i do, but you need to read all of it instead of just half of it. i'll fill you in on everything you miss. dont worry i got your back 😉
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
You do not, ergo YOU are the idiot here. Lol,
but atleast i know what i'm talking about....... you do not. atleast on this particular subject.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
he feels uncomfortable, but not pain? That's absurd.
how is it???? have you ever been laying in bed in an uncomfortable position??? are you in pain?? no. you obviously dont think before you post. you are just finding anything and everything wrong with what i say (which there is nothing) just so i have to type more.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
He's not going to grimace and scream in agony if he's not feeling pain.
its like putting a lemon in your mouth. do you make a face?? yes...... do you feel pain.......... NO........ you make faces all the time in everything you do. so does he. he just happens to be a human with the powers of the juggernaut. if you see a huge fist comming at your face i'm sure you would tense up also regardless if you could feel it or not.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Yeah, he's human, and as human he is going to do what humans do when they feel pain. How many people do you know who just scream 'Aarrrgh!' at random?? And before you said he wasn't human, that he was immortal. Which is it?
he is a human at mind, immortal body. dont confuse the 2. he can control his reactions on his face, he cannot control not feeling pain. which is why he has those looks on his face.
when did he say aarrrgh??? you are switching subjects to fast.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Juggernaut is not as strong as the Hulk. Jugfan said earlier that's he's as strong at his beggining stage and now says that in no way Hulk is stronger. Please make up your mind and stick to one John Kerr... I mean Jugfan.
i said hulk has the potential, but he has not proven stronger.
Their feats revolve around their notable features. For Hulk, they will showcase his strength and extreme healing. For Juggernaut, his durability. Hulk's durability (flat out durability, not how long he can last because of regeneration) and Juggernaut's strength will probably always be on the backburner.