he was swinging his fist, and marching through dimensional barriers. its 1 of 2 powers.
unstoppable........ dimensional barriers couldnt stop him
physical........ was punching through them
i think it was a combination of both. but either way, thor cannot do it. and thor doesnt have that kind of raw power.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
It sounds like some Dogma to me. And i stand that if enough physical power was produced it could out do the Gem of Clitorak
then you stand wrong cause if that were true thors godforce should have certainly harmed juggernaut. after all it made galactus flee and pierced the celestials protective dome.
magics do not operate like science based powers, thus you cannot physically harm juggernaut.
Well we don't know if it 'hurt' Juggernaut, but it scared the absolute hell out of him and pushed him back, so that's more or less on the same level power-wise. Thor's godforce is superior to Juggernaut's unstoppable force, so in terms of 'power,' Thor has the capability of being superior. He just has to pull out all the stops.
Originally posted by Abaddon
God, your retarted. Think of it this way, Jugs has to break the "door" down while Thor simply has to say "open sesame".
You're pretty quick to call him a retard, when you obviously don't get what he's telling you. He's saying at his full potential, Juggernaut can punch through dimensional walls while Thor can't. Now of course Thor doesn't have to, but that's not his point. He's simply saying the Juggernaut is capable of it, while Thor is not (maybe King Thor, but I won't go there). So at least understand what someone's telling you before you go and call them retarded or whatever, cause it might make you look retarded in the end (not insulting you, just making a point).
breaking dimensional barriers is more attributed to the mystical nature of his powers, I dont see how it says anything about strength. Strength can be defined by how much a person can lift, or press against resistance...what does punching holes in reality have to do with strength or resistance?...if i punch at the air my fists dont go through dimensional barriers....no matter how much stronger i get I cant punch through reality or start feeling resistance. Eventually, if a comic character's strength and speed continued to increase their punches would cause cataclysmic shock waves and ignite the atmosphere...Jugs cant do that. They would eventually destroy the planet they are standing on if their punches could release enough energy. Jugs punches through the dimension and there was no overly impressive result on the rest of his environment...he didnt destroy any planets. But ur suggesting his strength eclipses the power to destroy a planet?...doesnt make sense...breaking dimensional barriers cannot be attributed to strength, but can be attributed to his mystical powers, which i believe are very powerful and more than a match for Thor.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Of course. A skilled fighter utilizes all of his abilities, including intelligence. Juggernaut is supremely powerful, and while he's not stupid, he just doesn't have the varied powers Thor has and ultimately cannot really handle those powers.
well what started it all is that someone said thor had the raw power..... i said no juggernaut is the one with raw power, if thor is going to win its with versatility/intelligence thats going to do it for him.....
i wasnt trying to say juggernaut would win without a doubt, but juggernaut is just damn near full of unlimited energies.
i also think it was a feat of physical strength. his "unstoppability" applies to his body as a whole but his fists were what was making the barriers buckle. i attribute some of it to the "unstoppable-ness" of his power, but otherwise its physical. unless you can PROVE otherwise, thats what i believe and is my interpretation of the events that occured.
The Juggernaut is physically invincible. Even if magic WAS used, and his skin WAS punctured, it would have no effect on him.
There was a time where all of Juggernauts skin was torn away from his body. He was left nothing but a skeleton. He was still moving though. He's sustained by the crimson cosmos, so, really his power has nothing to do with his physical body and thusly he is physically unstoppable.
On to the topic:
Thor vs. Juggernaut
This fight would be incredibly drawn out. I'm going to say that Juggernaut would pull this one out. Thor and Juggernaut are about even in strength. The only edge that Juggernaut has is that Juggernaut has infinite endurance. Because Juggernaut does not tire out and Thor does, eventually, Thor's going to take one too many hits in the face and begin to back away. Though Thor certainly has the ability to take on the Juggernaut, he simply does not have the same invulnerability level that Juggernaut has.
Juggernaut wins. Again, this is NOT because the Juggernaut is stronger, just that the Juggernaut has a higher level of invulnerability and would outlast Thor.
Well 'power' includes all abilities at a fighter's disposal. By 'raw power' I incorporate everything, thus Thor's raw power is capable of defeating Jugs. As far as the physical strength breaking the barrier, that's part of his invulnerability. His fists are part of his body, and when his fists get going, the fabric of the dimension *personally that was a ridiculous point of story* cannot stop him. It can't be a strength issue because if it were, Juggernaut, Hulk, Thor, and other powerhouses could do that at any time. They can't. Only he did. *to my knowledge*
Ego, again, Juggernaut can be affected. The ripping off of his skin was magical, he has been injured before and can be injured again. He regenerates immediately, but it still hurts him. And again, I keep repeating myself in different threads, Thor does not tire out. He is a god. Have you actually read their fights? He even tells Jugs this: 'I can maintain this pace forever' regarding dodging Jugs' attacks. He's not invulnerable, but he has unlimited durability.