Originally posted by JuggernautFan
i also think it was a feat of physical strength. his "unstoppability" applies to his body as a whole but his fists were what was making the barriers buckle. i attribute some of it to the "unstoppable-ness" of his power, but otherwise its physical. unless you can PROVE otherwise, thats what i believe and is my interpretation of the events that occured.
I thought my explanation was pretty easy to follow...u could elaborate on why u think its physical. But u dont have to explain, I will respect your own interpretation, like u said.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Well 'power' includes all abilities at a fighter's disposal. By 'raw power' I incorporate everything, thus Thor's raw power is capable of defeating Jugs. As far as the physical strength breaking the barrier, that's part of his invulnerability. His fists are part of his body, and when his fists get going, the fabric of the dimension *personally that was a ridiculous point of story* cannot stop him. It can't be a strength issue because if it were, Juggernaut, Hulk, Thor, and other powerhouses could do that at any time. They can't. Only he did. *to my knowledge*Ego, again, Juggernaut can be affected. The ripping off of his skin was magical, he has been injured before and can be injured again. He regenerates immediately, but it still hurts him. And again, I keep repeating myself in different threads, Thor does not tire out. He is a god. Have you actually read their fights? He even tells Jugs this: 'I can maintain this pace forever' regarding dodging Jugs' attacks. He's not invulnerable, but he has unlimited durability.
when does he ver say "i can maintain this pace forever"????
In Hell.
Lol, seriously though, Thor has *apparently* killed Hulk as Evangel said, and he did fight him to a standstill before in the mainstream. Also, Hulk has beaten Juggernaut, Jugs only won his match because he ambushed him. An ambush is never an honorable victory. You have to get your facts straight.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
In Hell.Lol, seriously though, Thor has *apparently* killed Hulk as Evangel said, and he did fight him to a standstill before in the mainstream. Also, Hulk has beaten Juggernaut, Jugs only won his match because he ambushed him. An ambush is never an honorable victory. You have to get your facts straight.
and hulk has only won being boosted exponentially in power. so why bring this up?? atleast juggernaut has proven that he is capable of 1) over comming hulks durability AND healing factor 2) is just as strong as him no matter how enraged he is
but on the contrary hulk has 1) never proven stronger and 2) never physically hurt juggernaut.
so what does that tell you?
also but none the less this is thor vs juggernaut... i think i reply so much in juggernaut threads i get confused as to which one i'm in anymore.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Thor knocks back the Juggernaut while he is moving at him in the "Acts of Vengeance" story arc. Thor here is severely debilitated. To me this says Jugs has limits.
which issue are you refering to?? he was only weakened in 411, in 412 he admits his strength had returned.
Honorable victory?
F*ck honor!!
Thor beating Juggernaut by teleporting him away can also be considered an dishonorable win, but he still won regardless. You do what you have to do to get the job done, I've said this before. When your ass is on the line, you wanna think about honor, getting the f*ck out of there with your life? An ambush or not, Hulk had ample time to fight back, and figure out that his opponent was on his level, so shit on him for f*cking up, it's his fault he couldn't figure that out before it was too late, in my opinion of course. And Hulk beating Juggernaut? Sure, only thing was Hulk was being powered by Celestial energy which boosted his strength, so at that point he could've damn near beaten anyone with ease at that point.
Back to topic. Thor could win, but he's not doing it with force. It won't work against Juggernaut, he learned that the hard way the first time. There are few ways Thor could take it, he'll have to use plenty of his brain power to do so though, and do so in a non-force manner. Use force if he has to, just as long as he doesn't rely on it.
if i were thor i'd say "f*ck it" (its sad that there are no numbers that can substitute a letter in f*ck)and send his ass to another dimension yet again, either way you know juggs is gonna end up in some stupid place, he's like the stupid monkey that stays around when the zoo-keepers arrive, thats just my point of view though lol
Originally posted by JuggernautFan
and hulk has only won being boosted exponentially in power. so why bring this up?? atleast juggernaut has proven that he is capable of 1) over comming hulks durability AND healing factor 2) is just as strong as him no matter how enraged he isbut on the contrary hulk has 1) never proven stronger and 2) never physically hurt juggernaut.
so what does that tell you?
also but none the less this is thor vs juggernaut... i think i reply so much in juggernaut threads i get confused as to which one i'm in anymore.
I'm not talking about War Hulk, I'm talking about the regular Hulk that ripped off his helmet. He won that fight as far as he was aware. If the fight had continued, it wouldn't have really gone anywhere. Jugs had his helmet off, Hulk could have smashed his head in, thus he won. as Juggernaut is not JUST as strong as Hulk, he's comparable. No force on Earth is as strong as Hulk when he goes beyond the limits of his regular mood. Hulk has proven stronger and Hulk has physically harmed Juggernaut. Why do you state the opposite of facts? You can't look into the minds of comic book characters, the only way you can construe what a character feels is by the illustrations. Juggernaut was depicted as grimacing and wincing in pain, thus he feels pain. Simple as that.
Originally posted by Tron
Honorable victory?F*ck honor!!
Thor beating Juggernaut by teleporting him away can also be considered an dishonorable win, but he still won regardless. You do what you have to do to get the job done, I've said this before. When your ass is on the line, you wanna think about honor, getting the f*ck out of there with your life? An ambush or not, Hulk had ample time to fight back, and figure out that his opponent was on his level, so shit on him for f*cking up, it's his fault he couldn't figure that out before it was too late, in my opinion of course. And Hulk beating Juggernaut? Sure, only thing was Hulk was being powered by Celestial energy which boosted his strength, so at that point he could've damn near beaten anyone with ease at that point.
Back to topic. Thor could win, but he's not doing it with force. It won't work against Juggernaut, he learned that the hard way the first time. There are few ways Thor could take it, he'll have to use plenty of his brain power to do so though, and do so in a non-force manner. Use force if he has to, just as long as he doesn't rely on it.
No. Teleporting your enemy is not dishonorable when the fight has already been taking place. Juggernaut knew full well he was facing Thor. Hulk did NOT know he was facing Juggernaut and by the time he did, he was already dazed and overcome, ergo it is NOT an honorable fight. That's the way it is. This isn't a war, it's a hand-to-hand fight, you're god damn right honor plays into it. Otherwise you're just a coward. Juggernaut didn't 'defeat' Hulk because Hulk wasn't even fighting. It's like saying if I go up to Van Damme and smash his skull in with a shovel, I defeated him in combat. No.
Although I could.