WHY the Emperor saves Anakin

And Vader, even after the accident, is still VERY powerful. Why do you think he was able to hunt down and kill many of the remaining Jedi between ROTS and ANH? Because he's insanely powerful. And once the bulk of the Jedi are dead after events in ROTS, as far as Palpatine knows, there aren't many people who could oppose them. There are absolutely no non-force users who could beat Vader. It's just not gonna happen. I think many people assume that because we don't see him move much in the fights of the OT, that he simply can't. If that were the case, Luke would have beat him. Vader moved as much as he needed to get the job done he set out to do. It is the smarter fighter who doesn't waste a lot of movement and energy. He was pretty fast when he finally got pissed at Luke towards the end of the duel in ESB, when Luke steps into the hallway and Vader slices down from the darkness, nearly cleaving Luke in two. He goes at Luke as hard and fast as he needed to in order to beat him, but not kill him. He was trying to turn him to the dark side of the force. Not kill him. And in ANH, Obi-wan wasn't very fast, which meant Vader didn't have to go very fast either. That's why I wish Lucas would show Vader actually fight in his prime. I think it would be very impressive.

then how do you explain the royal b*tch slapping luke gave vader in ep6?
luke was powerful, but with very limited training. vader was not holding back in the end, he just got his a$$ handed to him.

because Luke touched the Dark Side slightly, giving him a burst of power, he took Vader by surprise and beat him down because he's the hero of the story and that's what hero's do.

"That's why I wish Lucas would show Vader actually fight in his prime. I think it would be very impressive."

was vader in his prime at that moment or not?
thats why i bring the point up.
luke was tapping, but he still had no experience and was sloppy.
he backed vader into a corner and spanked him.

i highly doubt vader was holding back then.
and yes, he was surprised, but thats no excuse for him to
go down like that. he was TRYING to piss luke off,
so he couldnt have been THAT surprised when luke attacked.

hmmm. good point. Another plot hole perhaps? Simply put, either he's weakened or he's not. If he is, then why did the emperor keep him? And how could he kill all those jedi but not Luke when it came down to it? Maybe because Anakin couldn't kill Luke. Maybe he started to have a weak spot for his son, like in the scene after Luke is escorted off the AT-AT and speaks with Vader, Vader looks very pensive as they haul Luke off. Palpatine says your hate makes you powerful, maybe once Anakin looses a little of that hate, after sort of growing a soft spot for his son, he looses a bit of power? That could work with the interior logic of the Force in the films. I just really don't think he was that weakened by becoming Vader, unless loosing limbs, and with it cellular tissue, looses you some Midichlorians, and that weakened him. But I think Vader couldn't kill his own son when it finally came down to it.

my theory on vader and his hate/power is that
when he strikes down kenobi, his last grudge is satisfied.
there is no more need for revenge, no one left to hate.
perhaps kenobi knew that as well, and it was yet another
reason to sacrifice himself.

we have to remember that in ep6 vader is:
1-much older
2-more machine than man
3-not nearly as angry and vicious

all these things make him weaker.
had he been 100% man, aging would have
still taken its toll. "your powers are weak old man"
*said the pot to the kettle 😉*

and i agree with you 100% that vader was incapable
of killing his son...but he could have still beaten him without
killing him, as in ESB. vader was just outgunned, whichever
way you look at it. luke was more powerful.

lol I like the sig PVS.

thanks 😄 doesnt kerry look like he wants to punch bush in the back of the head? 😂

I actualy voted for the 87 billion.......before I voted against it.
Need I say more?LOL

ok ok, lets not have the old 'flip flop' debate in the ep3 forum 😂

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Great posts all around !!!! It is indeed a good question why the Emperor bothers to save Anakin ! One thing is for sure, he does need an apprentice ! The Emperor may be powerful but he cannot live forever and in ROTJ, he looked rather old to say the least !!! Another reason I can think of is that he's convinced (as well as Yoda and Ben) that Vader cannot be turned back from the Dark Side, thus no danger there of him betraying him !!! He said so to Luke in that final movie and in the end he was wrong, however when Luke took his lightsaber and attacked the Emperor, Vader ignited his and blocked Luke's, making us wonder why would he do that if he wanted himself and Luke to take out the Emperor !!! The only thing I can think of is that he wants Luke to be turned to the Dark Side first and needs the Emperor's help to do so.
Another thing I was thinking of was that maybe Vader cannot kill the Emperor without himself dying and maybe both Vader and the Emperor know this !!! That would also make Vader's action more heroic in the end of Ep6, because he chooses to let go (his life) and to do whatever it takes to save Luke ! Hopefully Ep3 will give us more insight as to why the Emperor chooses to save Vader !

About the final Luke/Vader fight: Vader doesn't want to kill his son ! It may not sound like such a handicap, but it is !!! Vader can't release his anger and hatred at Luke, in fact, he may not be even have any towards his son !!! What bothers me about that fight is that Vader wasn't fighting as he would in an all out fight !!!

1) When Luke refused to fight him and threw away his lightsaber, Vader didn't ignite it and have 2 of them or didn't even destroy it, thus removing any chance of Luke getting his weapon back !!! Anakin in Ep2 did use 2 lightsabers !

2) Vader didn't use any force powers against his son !!! The only time we've seen 2 force users cancel each other out was 2 very skilled and of the same level force users ! It would be hard to believe that Luke has the same Force knowledge and power as Vader, being trained so little !!! An example to show that Vader is above luke's force levels is that in Ep5, he deflected all of Han's blaster shots with his hands, however Luke deflected all blaster shots in Ep 6 with his lightsaber, like all Jedi did before him !!! And if anybody thinks that the reason that Vader can block them is because he has mechanical hands, they should realise that Luke has a right mechanical hand and should be able to block with that one if that was the case !!!!

3) This is rather reaching and probably just a poor choreography in the fight, however when Luke attacks Vader in the final fight sequence, you'll notice that right before Vader places himself on the ground, Luke swings really hard and misses, exposing himself quite nicely for a killing blow by Vader, however Vader at that moment just goes down on his own and doesn't use the advantage !!!

Also, Vader is no longer at his peak in episode 6, he is old and more machine than man and Lucas has stated that he's not what he once was and could have been, however it's very hard to believe that Luke can beat his father in an all-out brawl !!!

Originally posted by Deep Hatred
The only thing I can think of is that he wants Luke to be turned to the Dark Side first and needs the Emperor's help to do so.

excellant point. vader wanted to still rule the galaxy with his son, not just kill palps. had luke struck palps down, he would have remained himself, it was luke's duty as a jedi to strike him down. vader wanted to keep his power and stay with the dark side, so he needed luke to turn first.

Originally posted by Deep Hatred
Vader can't release his anger and hatred at Luke, in fact, he may not be even have any towards his son !!! What bothers me about that fight is that Vader wasn't fighting as he would in an all out fight !!!

he released his anger at luke on the walkway at bespin, severing luke's hand. vader knew that if he unleashed his anger again, he may kill luke, and thus kill his grand scheme. so there was ulterior motives besides simply not wanting to kill his son.

Originally posted by Deep Hatred
When Luke refused to fight him and threw away his lightsaber, Vader didn't ignite it and have 2 of them or didn't even destroy it, thus removing any chance of Luke getting his weapon back !!! Anakin in Ep2 did use 2 lightsabers !

um....when luke threw the saber away, vader was substantially f***'d up. he only had one hand and his iron lung was malfunctioning. the fight was over at that point.

Originally posted by Deep Hatred
2) Vader didn't use any force powers against his son

he force-threw his lightsaber, i doubt that was just a frizbee throw.

Originally posted by Deep Hatred
if anybody thinks that the reason that Vader can block them is because he has mechanical hands, they should realise that Luke has a right mechanical hand and should be able to block with that one if that was the case

this is interesting....perhaps we will see anakin/vader pull off the same trick in ep3. maybe when he kills the federation leaders. i can picture the nemoidian guards shooting at him, and he is just so damn powerful with the force that he can block with his hand. i like the idea

Originally posted by Deep Hatred
Luke swings really hard and misses, exposing himself quite nicely for a killing blow by Vader, however Vader at that moment just goes down on his own and doesn't use the advantage

i wouldnt look too deep into that. the fights in the OT were not so well choreographed as in the PT. probably just a result of clumsyness and lack of training (actor training, not jedi training 😛)

Originally posted by Deep Hatred
it's very hard to believe that Luke can beat his father in an all-out brawl !!!

believe it. luke is the son of the chosen one. a 100% human young anakin would have wiped the floor with luke, no doubt. but vader is old, mechanical, and since killing kenobi he has lost his evil edge.

could it be possible that palpatine doesnt believe in the prophecy,if he did believe in it he would of let anakin die,its kind of a cool theory becouse by not believing in the prophecy made it come true in palpatines case. if he let anakin die the force never would have been brought back into balance.......

Correct me if I'm wrong PVS, but didn't Luke throw his lightsaber at Vader when he told him he wouldn't fight him in Return ? That's the scene I was talking about ! As for Vader using anger, I agree that he did use very little of it to end the fight when he received the glancing blow from Luke in Empire ! While Vader did use the Force to throw his lightsaber at him in Jedi, he didn't really use the Force very much in that fight, such as force push, maybe to throw some objects, maybe attempt a force choke etc Luke's advantage in that fight was that he knew that Vader wouldn't kill him and that there was conflict within vader between good and evil ! He counted on that fact till the very end, when he pleaded for his father to save him !!! Luke to me was a true Jedi and was able to resist the Dark Side where Anakin could not ! It will be very interesting to see what parallels Lucas will have in Episode 3 where Anakin will choose differently from Luke !!!

I also agree that it's just the choreography that was poor and I know I was reaching with that point, but it's fun to see that opening when you look at Jedi !!! lol I also agree that Vader has lost his evil edge after Kenobi's death !!!

luke never threw his saber until he said
"never. ill never turn to the darkside. you failed your highness. i am a jedi, like my father before me" that was after he whooped vader.
vader had one hand missing and a broken lung at that point.

at no other point did the saber leave lukes hand in the emporer's chamber. once he snatched it from the emporer, it stayed in his possession till he tossed it away.

watch it again

pvs is right. vader threw a saber at luke at one point, not the other way around.

Sorry about that !!! You guys are right ! lol I don't know why I thought that Luke had thrown his saber at his father... Luke gave Vader a whooping in that fight !!!

hes powerful....

hes full of hate...

he proably kills Windu....

He become sthe Emperors Hand

The emperors hands work behind the scenes not in public. Vader was just his go to guy.