WHY the Emperor saves Anakin

Once Vader finishs hunting down the jedi after ROTS, he's made himself obsolete. The regular troops fight all the battles. Imperial commanders command the troops. The Generals and Admirals command the cmmanders. The Grand Moff's (governors) command the generals and admirals. And the Grand Moff's answer to the Emperor, which probably isn't often needed. At least the Emperor strategises. He comes up with plans. He sets traps for the rebellion. He's the head of the galaxy. Vader is in command of his ship the Executor and that's it. As I said, he's obsolete. No one can defeat him in combat, and no one would try. So what else is he good for now that he's beaten all the enemies that only he is capable of defeating? Ever wonder why he was so eager to get into the dog fights at the battle of Yavin? because he's friggin' bored and he's a great pilot and we all know how Anakin hates to have his abilities go to waste. Its almost as if the Emperor simply gives him busy work. The rest of the Empire would probably throw a party if Vader died.

That's a pretty good point.

Originally posted by PVS
but you just answered it captain.
vader "breathed down their neck" and thats all he did.
he organised nothing. he commanded no one. all he
was was an intimidating presence. your making it like he
got his hands dirty, he didnt.

vader didn't keep anyone in line, Tarkin did. It was his baby, he even told Vader to not choke an officer to death, and that's like taking a child's new toy at christmas. Its just not cool. Vader was just there hanging out. He reported what he new of the plans. It just showed he was close to the Emperor. he still didn't command anything. He took off on his own to deal with kenobi, yeah, he's really into commanding the empire... 🙄

but some people like to be choked,they just do,mabey tarkin was jealous that he wasnt being choked? ya never know!!!!

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I think the fact that Anakin becomes obsolete is a part of the story, part of his personal growth or lack of. The irony of Anakin's life is that he's always in a rush to gain power/status so that he can better use his advanced abilities, only to gain ultimate power/status and not have any real use for it. He wants to be a knight fast. He wants to be on the council (apparently). He wants to stop people from dying. He wants to do all these things, and when he finally gets to a point where he reaches his full potential (power-wise), its useless to him because everyone that ever mattered to him is dead. He destroyed everything he originally wanted to protect and became the very thing he hated since his days as a young slave - a bully. He was so blinded by his need for power that he forgot why he wanted it in the first place - to end suffering and put his abilities to good use for the republic, for his wife, and for his friends.

By the time he realizes everything he really wanted to fight for has been destroyed, all that stands in its place is the Empire, a twisted former Republic; much as he is a twisted former jedi. And now he has no real place in the galaxy. Even the Emperor, the one person he thought was behind him all the way, was trying to get rid of him by trying to get Luke as a replacement ("take your father's place at my side"😉. He's completely alone with nothing but the memories of what he was, and how he almost single handedly destroyed it all.

mephistodesigns, that is as good a summation of Anakin's character as I've ever seen......

Nice work. 👆

yeah, even the enemy knows vader's roll

"governor tarkin, should have expected to find you holding vader's leash"

its no secret that vader has become obsolete.
sure, he is the most feared man in the galaxy besides the emporer,
but his usefulness has long since expired.

when i see his command ship, i think its a perfect symbol for vader. think of it, what is the purpose of a command ship, besides simply being a glorified presence. the resources required to build one could have been used to build a fleet of star destroyers, far more effective in a war.
the only reason for it's existance is so the emporer can look out the window of his throne room and say "oooo my ships are so big" as the only reason to keep vader alive is so he can say "i own the chosen one".

vader and the executor, mere props to feed palps' ego.

The Question still hasn't been answered. WHY does he save Anakin? He could have just let him die in the lava. I think he needed Anakin to carry on the traditions of the sith. ALWAYS TWO THERE ARE..... Without Anakin he would not have an aprentace. In a way that would almost mean that Sidious was no longer a sith and more a mad man out to rule the univers by himself.

I think it has. Palpatine saved Anakin because he needed someone who could hunt down the Jedi. Palp has everything else on lock. But hunting down the Jedi wasn't something he was in tip top shape to be doing, at least not when you could, as PVS put it, "own the chosen one". All other attempts at killing jedi have failed. Maul Dead. Dooku, dead. Grievous, dead. He's tried everything else, until he could get his hands on The Chosen One. Anakin, once bad, is far more powerful than most (probably all, but I haven't seen ROTS yet, so I don't want to jump to conclusions) of the other jedi. Palpatine knows it. He feels the waves of the force around Anakin, same as the Jedi. To own the champion of the Jedi, the living personification of their prophecy, is beneficial not only for his power, but to, again, rub defeat in the Jedi's faces. Then he needs Anakin to hunt down and kill the Jedi. Which he's obviously very good at since we didn't see any Jedi making any moves against the Empire other than Obi and Yoda. And I think Palpatine LIKES that Anakin is now obsolete. Remember, the sith masters don't like their apprentices getting TOO powerful because then they might be overthrown. If he were too command too much of the fleet, he may use it to overthrow Palpatine. So he needs Anakin to initially help him squash some remnants of the Republic, and then he can just sort of "hang out" if you will. So in short, Palpatine needs him for a symbol, a reminder to the Jedi that they've lost, and in the years to come, a symbol to keep the officers in line. Akin to telling kids a monster will come and get them if they're bad. He needs him to wipe out the remaining Jedi. Which he does very effectively. He did have a purpose at the time Palpatine saved him, at that point he is still VERY useful. The sad part is that he becomes obsolete, and Palpatine probably enjoys that because now members of the Empire fear him, but aren't loyal to him. They won't be following him on any mutinies to kill the Emperor in a fit of Sith succession. That's why he saved him. He keeps him around to maintain the Sith order, and for the reasons I've listed before.

holy crap that was longer than I intended, sorry...

palpatine said that he would be watching anakins life as went along so he was watching ever since anakin won the space battle.

Exactly. Any nine year old that can destroy, nearly single handedlly, a droid control ship, and you can sense how strong they are in the force, its not hard to figure out this kid might be an assest later on in life.

oh come on...when anakin destroyed that trade fed thing it was a fluke,that situation had nothing to do with his force capabilities,it was luck...even GL said that

right! But Palps could have gone after the jedi with his clone army (which he will) and not have to worry about Anakin one day killing him. I agree that Vader is a more efficient Jedi killer but he already had control of the galaxy.

but yeah palpatine did sense anakins abilities, but he only began to corrupt anakin when he(anakin) thought his abilities were way past the parr of the coucils expectations, what if the situation was reversed, the council pretty much givin in to anakins every wish, how would palpatine then corrupt anakin?

he probably couldn't. and that's the tragedy of the situation and Anakin's downfall.

How is Vader obsolete?

He has more smarts than the stupid morons that command the Star Destroyers.

"That is it, the rebels are there" (about the Hoth probe droid reports) Only Vader knew this.

Vader is the one to say "Go here, NOW!" and "It's like THIS". He'd decisive, and is the only reason the Imperials get anything done, because all they do is argue. Vader, although twisted, is definitely wise.

Vader also commands the force. He keeps the officers in line, pressurises them into getting their job done. The ones that fail, are destroyed. THEY are obsolete, not Vader.

If Vader was not there, they would have just shrugged the Hoth base off

Who came up with capturring the Millenium Falcon by using the Bounty Hunters? Did it work? Yes. Not only did Vader orchestrate Luke's capture, but he also managed to catch the ship that almsot destroyed him, it's pilots, and re-captured the Princess.

Who came up with the idea of turning Luke to the Dark Side (which both Vader and the Emperor would benefit from, with Vader and Luke teaming up to overthrow the Emepror, while the Emperor wanted a new model)?

Vader is far from obsolete. Those who think the Emperor orchestrates everything are deluded. The Emperor's cunning obviously rubbed off on Vader over the years they were a "team", and it shows.

Vader was necessary, Vader did The Emperors dirty work while the Imperials did Vaders dirty work. Vader had the very IMPORTANT tasks of killing Obi-Wan, hunting down and turning his son. Only Vader could.

What I'm saying is, if Vader wasn't there, HOW could the Empire still function?

There's no way in hell the Imperials would find them on Yavin (It was obviously Vader who came up with the tracking device "I'm taking an awful risk Vader, this had better work), and they'd just in general be a bumbling mess and the Rebels would soon defeat the Emperor without his right hand man.

Why do people think that by searching for his son, Vader is obsolete, or "bored"? That's plain wrong. It is in the Empires interest that anything concerning Jedi is Vader's department.

Also, The Emperor ain't "all that". He's the idiot that agreed to try and turn Luke to the dark side. It was a good idea for Vader, but as far as The Emperor goes, "his overconfidence was his weakness", and he ended up setting in motion his own downfall by agreeing with Vaders plan.

I still do not understand how Vader can be called obsolete.