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Originally posted by Lord Evolution
see thats what im not getting, why does cell and trunks travel both travel to timeline 1 and OMFG this is confusing...they destroy dr. geros lab that had cell in it to further destroy any future time lines from having to deal with him or was it so he doesnt end up traveling back to absorb the androids and become perfect and 😘 😕 😖

so they destroyed it so cell in the future 😖 wouldnt be able to travel back in time to absorb the androids of whos time?

great saga but by far the most confusing

Trunks travels back to destroy the Androids in timeline 1, which destroy Gohan in the future, but he doesn't know about the Dimensions. Cell goes to timeline 1 because he wants to absorb 17 and become "perfect". I don't know about the last sentence in that paragraph, but you're over-analyzing it. If you look into something hard enough, you're bound to find some thin that wasn't intended.

There is basically an infinite amount of dimensions for all we know.

I agree, the Future Trunks and all of the Cell sagas were the best and by far the most confusing.

Hope it helps.

Calvin

Yeah I guess I am over analyzing it

ANOTHER THING

How did the Trunks that was killed by Cell in the future manage to destroy the androids? If he couldnt destroy Cell then that means he was only a SSJ, like when he originally came from the future to warn them about the androids.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
ANOTHER THING

How did the Trunks that was killed by Cell in the future manage to destroy the androids? If he couldnt destroy Cell then that means he was only a SSJ, like when he originally came from the future to warn them about the androids.

He brought back the blue prints Krillin and him found in Gero's lab...And "shut" the Androids off.

I'm actually pretty sure Cell explained that part himself.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Hope this helps...

1- The Universe we watched, i.e: Trunks came back and warned them, Goku didn't die of a heart attack, Cell came back, Gohan defeated him, etc.

2- Trunks' time line, i.e: Goku dies of a heart attack, the Androids attack and kill all the z warriors bar Gohan, Gohan trains Trunks, Gohan dies, Trunks goes back in time and warns the warriors, returns to his time and defeats the Androids and KILLS Cell.

3- Cell's time line, i.e: Cell kills a weaker Trunks (Because in this time line Trunks didn't have such a massive powerup due to Cell not traveling back in time and forcing him to train) and travels back in time to time line 1, and dies by Gohan's hands.

There's also another time line where time line 1 was the same up until Cell appeared, where as in this one he didn't appear, so after Piccolo defeated the androids, everyone lived in peace...Until Buu would arrive and kill all of them because they're massively weaker being that they didn't have Cell to push them to become stronger.

But how did Cell kill a weaker Trunks? I know he did though. He said just before going back in time, he killed him & took his time machine. Is it like that Doctor Who thing when the Doctor said, "Every idea & thought we make creates a parallel world." Is that Cell from a Parallel Earth?

Originally posted by Blue Dragon
The timeline always confuses me...I understand that in Trunks' timeline, he goes back to change the past & creates two different timelines, because he interfers with time.

But how did Cell kill a weaker Trunks? I know he did though. He said just before going back in time, he killed him & took his time machine. Is it like that Doctor Who thing when the Doctor said, "Every idea & thought we make creates a parallel world." Is that Cell from a Parallel Earth?

The only world Cell traveled back to was Time Line (dimension) 1...The one we watched.

In time line 2 Cell was killed by Trunks because Trunks trained in time line 1 for his fight with Cell.

In time line 3 Trunks took the blue prints from Dr. Gero's lab and immediately left because there was no Cell for him to fight....So upon going to the future he shuts off the Androids and then gets his Time Machine stolen because he's massively weaker; due to him not training for Cell.....This Trunks creates the fourth time line or dimension; the one where Cell never appeared, Picollo killed the Androids, and everyone lived in peace until Buu came along.

Most of the rifts between the time lines are caused by Cell, not Trunks....It's Cell's travels that makes the more drasitc changes, not Trunks....Understand Cell's travels and you'll understand the whole time line confusion. Most people forget about the 4th and quite pivotal Time Line as well....The 4th is actually the one where everything happens that is supposed to happen.

Time Line 1: Trunks from Time Line 2 travels to this one, and Cell from Time Line 3 travels to this dimension as well.

Time Line 2: Trunks travels to Time Line 1 and kills his dimensions Cell and Androids by force.

Time Line 3: Trunks travels to Time Line 4 and gets the blue prints and shuts the Androids off. He's killed by this dimensions Cell, who then travels to Time Line 1.

Time Line 4: Trunks arrives and warns the Z fighters. He then comes back and gets the Blue Prints from Dr. Gero's lab after killing this dimensions Cell (who is a fetus or whatever it was) and travels back to his dimension (3) where he shuts down the Androids and is killed by Cell. Cell never appears, and the Z fighters live in peace after defeating the Androids.

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LOL look let me explain some things..... women cant go ssj parlty because way theyw ere made has to do with there chest and dont be inmature and think of boobs, women cant go ssj, just cus there saiyan dont mean they can go ssj
it ahs to do with size of there chest and werent made to stand that much power, and LOL no surpreme kai didnt say fusion dance was stronger STUPID he said patara is stronger then the dance goku was talking about
vegito is stronger then gogeta, gogeta is the second strongest in dbz
and no kid buu sint the strongets of all the buus, for one srpreme kai is terrified of kid buu cus it killed his pple and kept absorbing
now if u think hes stronger then super buu(gohan absrobed) so why is it they couldnt lay a mark on buu(gohan) hmm??? they couldnt do any damage an they ahd to fuse to be more powerful then him, now every battle a saiyan abttles they get stronger but not that big of a change, now if kid buu si stronger, did the 2 saiyans suddenly be more powerful then vegito?
and no they gained no higher power form the fusion
and so suddenly goku is able to beat kidd buu at full power easy so does this mean goku became stronger or as strong as vegito not super saiyan? NO kidd buu is one of the weakest or strongest, kid buu is the buu without any absorbed pple
it goes fat buu to evil buu to either super buu or kidd buu, cus they still didnt have the power to beat super buu not even gotenks, he beat him around but super buu was still way stronger, now watch the show carefully, does this really make sense? if goku is stronger then kidd buu which he is why would he fuse? if hes stronger then the strongest buu then there is no point of fusion against super buu(gohan) now listen carefully during when buu was going back to normal they said buus power is decrease dramatically and then when he got to kidd buu well was formign back he was increasing, lets just say
his power is 1000(just for example) it starts decreasing it goes al the way to 200 then it stops and goes up to 470 thats basically what happen just more in the millions, thats why they were scared cus goku is like maybe like 500 at full power and vegeta is like 350, then they start to relise that his power stopped decreasing and increased again all the way to 470, they were scared cus just at that power level they can still lose, jsut because he can regenerate and has so much more energy then them, and yes they can lose energy kid buu vs fat buu, fat buu got beat up so badly for so long that he lost energy and didnt have that unlimited supply, now goku with spirit bomb, spirit bomb is maybe 800 so that can kill buu, so kid buu isnt the strongets, and i just tried makign it sound more sense then using the 1,0000,00000 thing lol
but it does make sense though goku thought they ahd a chance cus he was way weaker then the buu they fought as vegito and no way goku could sudenly be as strong as vegito

also your wrong that timeline is sooo wrong, trunks killed the androids and cell after cell was beaten in the past, now theres diff demensions of timelines, oen timeline trunks got killed by cell which then cell got to past, the other trunks warns them androids are comign in 3 years which then he goes back and trains i guess, then he comes back to help the z fighters then kills cell eventually and goes back to past gets a hair cut kills them and thats that, and he prob comes back to tell them but that woudl eb pointless now, if trunks kept traing he prob reached ssj2 sense he was practically there just he was at super ascended saiyan and didnt know how to control his power all the way, so if he kept training then by buu saga he would still be stronger then vegeta and maybe almost as stronga s goku, but sense vegeta didnt really want to train with trunks not alot of power was increased, so goku and gohan had better chance

Yea, trunks was gunna tell everyone in the other world (past) that he killed the androids....but cell kills trunks and jacks his ship (lol) BUT!! when trunks does this again in his world, cell tries to jack it again which was already bound to happen, but trunks kills him, so if cell never went into the past and stayed after killing trunks...there'd be no trunks period....cept for little trunk lol

Lol. Not you again. Thinking you know shit.

And where is it canonical that women can't go SSJ?

Your whole theory about buu heirarchy sounds completely off.

and Trunks was an ss2 during the cell games.

no actually he wasnrt ssj 2 he was between

and no inever said i knoew it all, but i know alot,
prob more then you
but he was at what we call ascended saiyan which was what vegetas form was he knew the wekness so he didnt ascend that form, trunks didnt know the weakeness and went full power against cell that form is called super ascended saiyan or super trunks, both forms are in between ssj and ssj2, so your very wrong he wasnt ssj 2 in cell games in fact he never even went to ascended form in cell game sonly in ssj, he went super ascended saiyan during perfect cll saga, that is a fact, gohan was the only one that wen

oops my abd i pressed wrong button but, gohan was the only one who went ssj2, trunks was almost to that point just he didnt learn to control it, gohan is just a diff case of why he went ssj2 and trunks didnt

But you know how they never called is ss2 in the manga or anime?

Goku gave a nice little explanation that "ascended saiyan" is also called "SS2". He said this in the fat buu saga, I beleive.

Originally posted by PunWisp
LOL look let me explain some things..... women cant go ssj parlty because way theyw ere made has to do with there chest and dont be inmature and think of boobs, women cant go ssj, just cus there saiyan dont mean they can go ssj
it ahs to do with size of there chest and werent made to stand that much power, and LOL no surpreme kai didnt say fusion dance was stronger STUPID he said patara is stronger then the dance goku was talking about
vegito is stronger then gogeta, gogeta is the second strongest in dbz
and no kid buu sint the strongets of all the buus, for one srpreme kai is terrified of kid buu cus it killed his pple and kept absorbing
now if u think hes stronger then super buu(gohan absrobed) so why is it they couldnt lay a mark on buu(gohan) hmm??? they couldnt do any damage an they ahd to fuse to be more powerful then him, now every battle a saiyan abttles they get stronger but not that big of a change, now if kid buu si stronger, did the 2 saiyans suddenly be more powerful then vegito?
and no they gained no higher power form the fusion
and so suddenly goku is able to beat kidd buu at full power easy so does this mean goku became stronger or as strong as vegito not super saiyan? NO kidd buu is one of the weakest or strongest, kid buu is the buu without any absorbed pple
it goes fat buu to evil buu to either super buu or kidd buu, cus they still didnt have the power to beat super buu not even gotenks, he beat him around but super buu was still way stronger, now watch the show carefully, does this really make sense? if goku is stronger then kidd buu which he is why would he fuse? if hes stronger then the strongest buu then there is no point of fusion against super buu(gohan) now listen carefully during when buu was going back to normal they said buus power is decrease dramatically and then when he got to kidd buu well was formign back he was increasing, lets just say
his power is 1000(just for example) it starts decreasing it goes al the way to 200 then it stops and goes up to 470 thats basically what happen just more in the millions, thats why they were scared cus goku is like maybe like 500 at full power and vegeta is like 350, then they start to relise that his power stopped decreasing and increased again all the way to 470, they were scared cus just at that power level they can still lose, jsut because he can regenerate and has so much more energy then them, and yes they can lose energy kid buu vs fat buu, fat buu got beat up so badly for so long that he lost energy and didnt have that unlimited supply, now goku with spirit bomb, spirit bomb is maybe 800 so that can kill buu, so kid buu isnt the strongets, and i just tried makign it sound more sense then using the 1,0000,00000 thing lol
but it does make sense though goku thought they ahd a chance cus he was way weaker then the buu they fought as vegito and no way goku could sudenly be as strong as vegito

ok what?

Believe me I was trying so hard to understand what you were saying. Im guessing your english is bad because LMFAO @ that post! but the most funniest parts had to be where you kept saying "now listen carefully" LOL you crack me up man.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
ok what?

Believe me I was trying so hard to understand what you were saying. Im guessing your english is bad because LMFAO @ that post! but the most funniest parts had to be where you kept saying "now listen carefully" LOL you crack me up man.

Originally posted by PunWisp
LOL look let me explain some things..... women cant go ssj parlty because way theyw ere made has to do with there chest and dont be inmature and think of boobs, women cant go ssj, just cus there saiyan dont mean they can go ssj
it ahs to do with size of there chest and werent made to stand that much power, and LOL no surpreme kai didnt say fusion dance was stronger STUPID he said patara is stronger then the dance goku was talking about
vegito is stronger then gogeta, gogeta is the second strongest in dbz
and no kid buu sint the strongets of all the buus, for one srpreme kai is terrified of kid buu cus it killed his pple and kept absorbing
now if u think hes stronger then super buu(gohan absrobed) so why is it they couldnt lay a mark on buu(gohan) hmm??? they couldnt do any damage an they ahd to fuse to be more powerful then him, now every battle a saiyan abttles they get stronger but not that big of a change, now if kid buu si stronger, did the 2 saiyans suddenly be more powerful then vegito?
and no they gained no higher power form the fusion
and so suddenly goku is able to beat kidd buu at full power easy so does this mean goku became stronger or as strong as vegito not super saiyan? NO kidd buu is one of the weakest or strongest, kid buu is the buu without any absorbed pple
it goes fat buu to evil buu to either super buu or kidd buu, cus they still didnt have the power to beat super buu not even gotenks, he beat him around but super buu was still way stronger, now watch the show carefully, does this really make sense? if goku is stronger then kidd buu which he is why would he fuse? if hes stronger then the strongest buu then there is no point of fusion against super buu(gohan) now listen carefully during when buu was going back to normal they said buus power is decrease dramatically and then when he got to kidd buu well was formign back he was increasing, lets just say
his power is 1000(just for example) it starts decreasing it goes al the way to 200 then it stops and goes up to 470 thats basically what happen just more in the millions, thats why they were scared cus goku is like maybe like 500 at full power and vegeta is like 350, then they start to relise that his power stopped decreasing and increased again all the way to 470, they were scared cus just at that power level they can still lose, jsut because he can regenerate and has so much more energy then them, and yes they can lose energy kid buu vs fat buu, fat buu got beat up so badly for so long that he lost energy and didnt have that unlimited supply, now goku with spirit bomb, spirit bomb is maybe 800 so that can kill buu, so kid buu isnt the strongets, and i just tried makign it sound more sense then using the 1,0000,00000 thing lol
but it does make sense though goku thought they ahd a chance cus he was way weaker then the buu they fought as vegito and no way goku could sudenly be as strong as vegito

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
The only world Cell traveled back to was Time Line (dimension) 1...The one we watched.

In time line 2 Cell was killed by Trunks because Trunks trained in time line 1 for his fight with Cell.

In time line 3 Trunks took the blue prints from Dr. Gero's lab and immediately left because there was no Cell for him to fight....So upon going to the future he shuts off the Androids and then gets his Time Machine stolen because he's massively weaker; due to him not training for Cell.....This Trunks creates the fourth time line or dimension; the one where Cell never appeared, Picollo killed the Androids, and everyone lived in peace until Buu came along.

Most of the rifts between the time lines are caused by Cell, not Trunks....It's Cell's travels that makes the more drasitc changes, not Trunks....Understand Cell's travels and you'll understand the whole time line confusion. Most people forget about the 4th and quite pivotal Time Line as well....The 4th is actually the one where everything happens that is supposed to happen.

Time Line 1: Trunks from Time Line 2 travels to this one, and Cell from Time Line 3 travels to this dimension as well.

Time Line 2: Trunks travels to Time Line 1 and kills his dimensions Cell and Androids by force.

Time Line 3: Trunks travels to Time Line 4 and gets the blue prints and shuts the Androids off. He's killed by this dimensions Cell, who then travels to Time Line 1.

Time Line 4: Trunks arrives and warns the Z fighters. He then comes back and gets the Blue Prints from Dr. Gero's lab after killing this dimensions Cell (who is a fetus or whatever it was) and travels back to his dimension (3) where he shuts down the Androids and is killed by Cell. Cell never appears, and the Z fighters live in peace after defeating the Androids.

Piccolo didn't defeat Cell & all I know is that there are three timelines.

1. The one Trunks goes to from the future & continues on to Buu Saga etc.
2. The one in the future with the Androids.
3. The one in the future, but Trunks has been killed.

Originally posted by PunWisp
LOL look let me explain some things..... women cant go ssj parlty because way theyw ere made has to do with there chest and dont be inmature and think of boobs, women cant go ssj, just cus there saiyan dont mean they can go ssj
it ahs to do with size of there chest and werent made to stand that much power, and LOL no surpreme kai didnt say fusion dance was stronger STUPID he said patara is stronger then the dance goku was talking about
vegito is stronger then gogeta, gogeta is the second strongest in dbz
and no kid buu sint the strongets of all the buus, for one srpreme kai is terrified of kid buu cus it killed his pple and kept absorbing
now if u think hes stronger then super buu(gohan absrobed) so why is it they couldnt lay a mark on buu(gohan) hmm??? they couldnt do any damage an they ahd to fuse to be more powerful then him, now every battle a saiyan abttles they get stronger but not that big of a change, now if kid buu si stronger, did the 2 saiyans suddenly be more powerful then vegito?
and no they gained no higher power form the fusion
and so suddenly goku is able to beat kidd buu at full power easy so does this mean goku became stronger or as strong as vegito not super saiyan? NO kidd buu is one of the weakest or strongest, kid buu is the buu without any absorbed pple
it goes fat buu to evil buu to either super buu or kidd buu, cus they still didnt have the power to beat super buu not even gotenks, he beat him around but super buu was still way stronger, now watch the show carefully, does this really make sense? if goku is stronger then kidd buu which he is why would he fuse? if hes stronger then the strongest buu then there is no point of fusion against super buu(gohan) now listen carefully during when buu was going back to normal they said buus power is decrease dramatically and then when he got to kidd buu well was formign back he was increasing, lets just say
his power is 1000(just for example) it starts decreasing it goes al the way to 200 then it stops and goes up to 470 thats basically what happen just more in the millions, thats why they were scared cus goku is like maybe like 500 at full power and vegeta is like 350, then they start to relise that his power stopped decreasing and increased again all the way to 470, they were scared cus just at that power level they can still lose, jsut because he can regenerate and has so much more energy then them, and yes they can lose energy kid buu vs fat buu, fat buu got beat up so badly for so long that he lost energy and didnt have that unlimited supply, now goku with spirit bomb, spirit bomb is maybe 800 so that can kill buu, so kid buu isnt the strongets, and i just tried makign it sound more sense then using the 1,0000,00000 thing lol
but it does make sense though goku thought they ahd a chance cus he was way weaker then the buu they fought as vegito and no way goku could sudenly be as strong as vegito

What's all that about their chest & stuff? A Super Saiyan is a Super Saiyan dude!

its not made up its been said everywhere, but what i emant was it has to do with the size and how they were amde but nvm you wouldnt understand, and sorry lol i didnt relise how much i typed LOL
so my bad

also if trunsk went through time and warned them nothing would of changed in his time, trunks has said that i think twice in the show,
so he can kill androids in past and they would still be around
and your wrong trunks was able to be cell after cell games, then he went back and told them i guess he beat them

cus after trunks got back his mom gave him hair cut and after he beat th e androids he was going to tell them he beat them then cell came and trunsk killed him