You know what, i leave this thread, i seen that you got it personal now and i am not enjoying being here but before i go this are my points:
Goku normal strenght is unknown when fighting Ubb, If Ubb is 50% Kid Buu Goku normal is a lot more stronger than you think. considerate his recover for his battles from Vegeta and Kid buu he grow considerably according with the history of saiyans.
Goku speed, just Because Toriyama didn´t care to put in a little box the quantity of Goku speed some use this to say he don´t move at light speed, when i agree he don´t fly at light speed, he got IT to move around in fights, and he fights at light speed, speed in DB has a historyline from Goku Kid until the Freeza Saga. then it seens Toriyama change for the sake of the history.
Goku Ssj power ups are higher than you calculate, in Freeza Saga was 500% or 50 times aprox his normal and in Cell is aprox. the same, following this i believe SSJ 3 follow the same pattern, that is why i put the scan of Piccolo progress, to make you compare and notice that is not only 2 or 3 times more like many think. so each Supersaiyan transform is more or less 50 times his normal IMO
Finally sorry if i offend you Mirai Gohan, i just react to your insults, but i post scans to prove what i am saying. Goku was doing martial arts with 2 tons each limb normal and 10 tons each Supersaiyan
with that i say so long.
Ah, with respect, IMO Goku End of the Manga going to train with Ubb and Superman without Mental blocks is the best crossover fight, who will win, well everybody think diferent so i leave that for you to disscuse.
Originally posted by Venomous Yoshi
My favorite is the Android Saga because it introduces Android 18. 😍
Okay......
Anyway, my favorite saga is the Android/Cell saga because of Cell, he was just as badass as a villain could get. I would've loved to have seen more of Android 17 & Android 18 though. However, despite the Cell saga being my favorite, the Freeza saga is easily the best (at least in the manga).