I say will stay out and i will but with respect to this point i agree with Mirai Gohan.
Goku knew that Gohan was more powerfull than Cell.
Gohan himself knew he was more powerfull, but he didn´t want to kill Him.
Goku decide to let Gohan fight until he himself was Sure that Gohan could defeat Cell by checking Cell power.
Gohan was first pownded because he try to convice Cell by talking and not fighting.
Ok i left, no more from me, have to study hard for exams.
This is my favorite moment in the manga and anime,togheter with when Vegeta recognize his respect to goku:
Gohan turning ssj2
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Originally posted by Vvendeta
This is my favorite moment in the manga and anime,togheter with when Vegeta recognize his respect to goku:
Anyhow, welcome back Vvendeta. Glad you decided to return (yeah. I've just been lurking in this thread lately rather than posting).
Originally posted by Vvendeta
[B]I say will stay out and i will but with respect to this point i agree with Mirai Gohan.
Goku knew that Gohan was more powerfull than Cell.
Gohan himself knew he was more powerfull, but he didn´t want to kill Him.
Goku decide to let Gohan fight until he himself was Sure that Gohan could defeat Cell by checking Cell power.Gohan was first pownded because he try to convice Cell by talking and not fighting.
I'm glad that yet someone else understands what I'm saying. Gohan was stronger than Goku & Goku even told Gohan when they first entered the Hyperbolic Time Chamber that his real goal was to make Gohan stronger than him. Goku is not a bad father, he wants his son to be able to defend himself, & the Earth. He wanted Gohan to get a headstart on being the protector of the Earth which is exactly why the manga should've ended after the Cell Games.
Originally posted by Kal-El_08Next you'll tell me Gokou's a good husband also. Yes, Gohan was stronger, yes Gokou knew he was also but Gohan was still 12 and he still didn't really want to fight. And fate of the world riding on the fight he still gives Cell a senzu bean to fight his son. What Gokou did was still wrong even if Gohan was strong enough to actually stay up wth Cell's power. It doesn't matter if he was right or not about it at all. It's what he did that makes him a bad father. Then there is refusing to come back to life that is just wrong to both Gohan and Chichi, and to an extent wrong for Goten also. Gokou is suppose to be so pure of heart yet he's terrible when it comes to his family.
I'm glad that yet someone else understands what I'm saying. Gohan was stronger than Goku & Goku even told Gohan when they first entered the Hyperbolic Time Chamber that his real goal was to make Gohan stronger than him. Goku is not a bad father, he wants his son to be able to defend himself, & the Earth. He wanted Gohan to get a headstart on being the protector of the Earth which is exactly why the manga should've ended after the Cell Games.
Originally posted by Kento
Next you'll tell me Gokou's a good husband also. Yes, Gohan was stronger, yes Gokou knew he was also but Gohan was still 12 and he still didn't really want to fight. And fate of the world riding on the fight he still gives Cell a senzu bean to fight his son. What Gokou did was still wrong even if Gohan was strong enough to actually stay up wth Cell's power. It doesn't matter if he was right or not about it at all. It's what he did that makes him a bad father. Then there is refusing to come back to life that is just wrong to both Gohan and Chichi, and to an extent wrong for Goten also. Gokou is suppose to be so pure of heart yet he's terrible when it comes to his family.
He's a good father, yes, & somewhat of a good husband. Seriously, he's putting his life on the line every single time he goes out to fight a menace, he's protecting the people he loves & more importantly, the Earth & the entire universe. With Gohan, he did what was best, he trained his son to be stronger than him so he could be the one to protect Earth. If anything, Gohan is a bad son for allowing his dad to be killed by Cell. As for Goku not wanting to be wished back, he stated himself that he only wanted to stay dead because of the fact that everytime he's wished back something bad happens to the Earth so he did what was best for his family & for the Earth. Seriously, everything you've said has been countered & anyone who reads these posts would agree.
Originally posted by Kal-El_08Fighting to protect them doesn't make him a good father and husband. All the stuff he puts ChiChi through, and even more so at the EoZ when he leaves just to train a boy so he'll have somebody to fight. And Gohan can't control his emotions after he gets angry and looses control. Gokou wanted Cell to make Gohan that angry and paid the price. Gokou finally realized that what he did was wrong that's why he asked for a senzu bean when Gohan was being squeezed by Cell and Piccolo told him Gohan doesn't like to fight and that he's not thinking about being angry evem though he's being hurt. Cell could have proceeded to pound on Gohan and Gohan would have never gotten angry enough to go ssj2 or get strong enough to beat Cell. Gohan was weaker than Cell at ssj as it shows when Cell was able to keep up with him, hurt him, and still wasn't fully powered up. And with Fat Buu Gokou left the fate of the world in the hands of children when he could have killed him there which resulted in the death of his wife along with the destruction of Earth. And yes Gokou stayed dead because he says he brings evil to him yet even if he hadn't returned Buu would have still returned and destroyed everything. Because he does something may be right in his mind doesn't make it right to his family or for his family. Gohan had to grow without his father, Goten had to grow without a father, and ChiChi didn't have her husband again.
He's a good father, yes, & somewhat of a good husband. Seriously, he's putting his life on the line every single time he goes out to fight a menace, he's protecting the people he loves & more importantly, the Earth & the entire universe. With Gohan, he did what was best, he trained his son to be stronger than him so he could be the one to protect Earth. If anything, Gohan is a bad son for allowing his dad to be killed by Cell. As for Goku not wanting to be wished back, he stated himself that he only wanted to stay dead because of the fact that everytime he's wished back something bad happens to the Earth so he did what was best for his family & for the Earth. Seriously, everything you've said has been countered & anyone who reads these posts would agree.
Originally posted by Kento
Fighting to protect them doesn't make him a good father and husband. All the stuff he puts ChiChi through, and even more so at the EoZ when he leaves just to train a boy so he'll have somebody to fight. And Gohan can't control his emotions after he gets angry and looses control. Gokou wanted Cell to make Gohan that angry and paid the price. Gokou finally realized that what he did was wrong that's why he asked for a senzu bean when Gohan was being squeezed by Cell and Piccolo told him Gohan doesn't like to fight and that he's not thinking about being angry evem though he's being hurt. Cell could have proceeded to pound on Gohan and Gohan would have never gotten angry enough to go ssj2 or get strong enough to beat Cell. Gohan was weaker than Cell at ssj as it shows when Cell was able to keep up with him, hurt him, and still wasn't fully powered up. And with Fat Buu Gokou left the fate of the world in the hands of children when he could have killed him there which resulted in the death of his wife along with the destruction of Earth. And yes Gokou stayed dead because he says he brings evil to him yet even if he hadn't returned Buu would have still returned and destroyed everything. Because he does something may be right in his mind doesn't make it right to his family or for his family. Gohan had to grow without his father, Goten had to grow without a father, and ChiChi didn't have her husband again.
So, all of his heroics & him saving the Earth means nothing? Btw, Gohan can control himself, if he couldn't, he wouldn't killed Cell rather quickly. Besides, he wanted to make Cell suffer. Goku told him repeatedly to finish Cell but he said he wanted to make him suffer. Also, Gohan was stronger than Goku so he was nearly even with Cell, if not stronger. However, we don't truly know that because Gohan didn't fight as hard as he could. Btw, what are you talking about? Goku was there for Gohan's entire childhood, he grew up being around his father. I doubt Goku even knew Chi-Chi was pregnant since he died rather abruptly. Chi-Chi did get to spend some time with him & as far as Uub goes, it's not like he went to another planet to train him or he said he wouldn't ever come back. For all we know, he went to an area around his house to train. Since he wants to train him to be really strong, why wouldn't he have him come live with him? Seriously, everything you say is wrong, Goku isn't a bad father, he does the best he can, it's not his fault he has to fight so much. However, I guess in your mind everything would be great if he spent all of his time with Chi-Chi & Gohan instead of defending the Earth.
Originally posted by Kal-El_08Him being a hero doesn't automatically make him a good father or husband. Gohan looses control of himself. He wouldn't listen to Gokou because he lost control of his anger and wanted to make Cell suffer. He wasn't acting like himself. And Gohan was getting hurt by a Cell that wasn't even fully powered up. He couldn't do anything to stop Cell until he let go of his anger. He was there for Gohan during the first 12 years but he was still a child when Gokou decided to stay dead. And yes, Gokou didn't know ChiChi was pregnant so I can't blame him really for Goten really. That still doesn't change about leaving ChiChi and Gohan. He had already made plans to leave without telling anybody. And he went to Uub's village to train him. He doesn't keep Uub with him and his family that's why he flies off with Uub. And it's possible to train and be a good father and husband. He did it before the beginning of Z. It wasn't until the end of Cell that he started to change.
So, all of his heroics & him saving the Earth means nothing? Btw, Gohan can control himself, if he couldn't, he wouldn't killed Cell rather quickly. Besides, he wanted to make Cell suffer. Goku told him repeatedly to finish Cell but he said he wanted to make him suffer. Also, Gohan was stronger than Goku so he was nearly even with Cell, if not stronger. However, we don't truly know that because Gohan didn't fight as hard as he could. Btw, what are you talking about? Goku was there for Gohan's entire childhood, he grew up being around his father. I doubt Goku even knew Chi-Chi was pregnant since he died rather abruptly. Chi-Chi did get to spend some time with him & as far as Uub goes, it's not like he went to another planet to train him or he said he wouldn't ever come back. For all we know, he went to an area around his house to train. Since he wants to train him to be really strong, why wouldn't he have him come live with him? Seriously, everything you say is wrong, Goku isn't a bad father, he does the best he can, it's not his fault he has to fight so much. However, I guess in your mind everything would be great if he spent all of his time with Chi-Chi & Gohan instead of defending the Earth.
Anyways this is getting nowhere at all. I think he's a bad father and husband obviously you don't and it's just going to keep going back and forth so lets just stop this pointlessness and continue onto the next thing we're going to argue over with.
I was reading the beginning of the Buu Saga and seen something I didn't remember that has to do with speed. Gohan lives five hours away from Satan City by jet yet he was able to make it there in 20 minutes without even turning Super Saiyan.
Their strength & speed don't impress me but their energy beams does. After seeing Superman IV, I always thought Nuclear Man was kind of like a Super Saiyan so that's how I really got into DBZ & became a big fan.
Anyone notice that the Z Fighters actually are helping destroy the Earth when they fight? There would be craters everywhere if the Z Fighters were real.
There usually are huge craters everywhere when they fight. That's why they don't fight in cities and take it into the middle of nowhere. And I'm impressed by their speed. Not really the strength they've shown nor their durability however. There beams don't really impress me much until the point they can blow up a planet the way Kid Buu did.
Originally posted by Kento
There usually are huge craters everywhere when they fight. That's why they don't fight in cities and take it into the middle of nowhere. And I'm impressed by their speed. Not really the strength they've shown nor their durability however. There beams don't really impress me much until the point they can blow up a planet the way Kid Buu did.
Lol, the Earth would probably look like a wasteland if too many enemies appeared at once. I love the whole energy beam aspect, I just wish we could've seen more out of their strength & durability.
If that's the case, Superman from when he was first created is above Kid Goku in the beginning of the whole manga which is Dragon Ball.
I don't think the Earth in the Dragon Ball Z world is one big wasteland, too many people have probably been killed. Most of the people killed have been killed before which means they can't be wished back.
Superman when he was first created couldn't be hurt by anything less than a bursting shell. By the end of DB I think that the blasts would probably be a bit stronger than a tank. Plus he couldn't fly which would be a advantage for Gokou or any of them after they meet Tien and learn to fly. Plus Roshi could catch bullets and his while Faster than a speeding bullet thing was actually literal at that time so they would be faster. The only thing would probably be strength that they lacked.