The Official DragonBall Z thread · Anime / Manga

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by NemeBro
your reliance on the fallible boast of a very arrogant character

Akira himself put those words in Cell's mouth. We were NEVER given a reason to doubt their validity.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I consulted dadudemon for confirmation regarding what I believed, but basically, the power of an explosion decreases per unit area as it expands, at an exponential rate. All that energy starts off condensed at a single point (Ground zero), and then expands, losing power rapidly as conservation of energy takes effect.

Ew, I hate applying real world 'laws' to fictional work. Do you know if the inverse square law is even applicable in the world of DBZ(a world where animals can talk, people can fly, entire buildings are contained within tiny Capsules, etc.)? Have any characters stated that if they release the totality of their energies, said energies get weaker the farther they spread outward from the source? I cannot recall such a statement. I can also tell you that in the fictional world of comics, that law certainly does not apply.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It would require far more than two billion times the amount of energy required to destroy our solar system to destroy our galaxy.

IF the inverse square law is applicable in the DBZ-verse, you mean?

Furthermore, 2 billion % was just a rough starting point. Using logical approximations, Vegito would have been around 500 billion % more powerful than Cell(at the very least.) Just saying.

Kento The last Hokage

Originally posted by Galan007
Akira himself put those words in Cell's mouth. We were NEVER given a reason to doubt their validity.

Until the part nobody can block the only attack shown in the series to actually blow up a planet instantly.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Kento
Until the part nobody can block the only attack shown in the series to actually blow up a planet instantly.

What does that have to do with anything I said?

Kento The last Hokage

Originally posted by Galan007
What does that have to do with anything I said?

No reason to doubt Cell was telling the truth. If he had the power to do so, Buu would have actually did it. And nobody would have freaked out over Buu's blast that was just planetary.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Kento
No reason to doubt Cell was telling the truth.

👆

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Kento
No reason to doubt Cell was telling the truth. If he had the power to do so, Buu would have actually did it. And nobody would have freaked out over Buu's blast that was just planetary.

When did Buu attempt to destroy the Solar System and why would he do that? Especially since he went planet by planet looking for Goku and Vegeta.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Oh, is that what he was trying to say? Yeah, that's faulty logic on several levels.

Kento The last Hokage

Originally posted by carver9
When did Buu attempt to destroy the Solar System and why would he do that? Especially since he went planet by planet looking for Goku and Vegeta.

Kid Buu was destroying galaxies when he was first formed, and is all about destruction. That going to planet to planet was just filler. Also Buu was all about destruction, if he could one shot galaxies no way he wouldn't have. If ssj2 Gohan could block a solar system destroying blast, then Buu Saga Gokou could've been fine blocking a planet buster also. Like any of the people fighting Cell, or Cell himself really knows if it could. He'd probably even have killed himself if he could do it.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Kento
Kid Buu was destroying galaxies when he was first formed, and is all about destruction. That going to planet to planet was just filler. Also Buu was all about destruction, if he could one shot galaxies no way he wouldn't have. If ssj2 Gohan could block a solar system destroying blast, then Buu Saga Gokou could've been fine blocking a planet buster also. Like any of the people fighting Cell, or Cell himself really knows if it could. He'd probably even have killed himself if he could do it.

Just because he didnt do it doesn't mean he can't. This is what you are failing to realize. I see no reason for Buu to destroy a solar system during his resurrection...that was something Cell wanted to prove, not Buu. Kid Buu also was a freaking dummy...why would he even gather the thought of destroying a solar system when he wanted to kill what was in front of him? Also, let's not pretend like that planetary+ blast took every piece of energy Buu had. Buu was still at 100% after shooting it.

Kento The last Hokage

Originally posted by carver9
Just because he didnt do it doesn't mean he can't. This is what you are failing to realize. I see no reason for Buu to destroy a solar system during his resurrection...that was something Cell wanted to prove, not Buu. Kid Buu also was a freaking dummy...why would he even gather the thought of destroying a solar system when he wanted to kill what was in front of him? Also, let's not pretend like that planetary+ blast took every piece of energy Buu had. Buu was still at 100% after shooting it.

Cell said something to freak people out, that was overpowered by a blast that was shot out into space and didn't destroy any solar system. Kid Buu's blast freaked out people without boasts, made people leagues above Cell run, and only destroyed a single planet. And of course it didn't take anything out of Buu his energy never went down no matter how much he fought. Fat Buu, Super Buu, or Kid Buu, it didn't matter who he fought or how much he was damaged he stayed at full power.

CosmicComet Senior Member

Kid Buu wasn't destroying galaxies even over time.

There are only 4 galaxies in DBZ anyway.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Kento
Cell said something to freak people out, that was overpowered by a blast that was shot out into space and didn't destroy any solar system. Kid Buu's blast freaked out people without boasts, made people leagues above Cell run, and only destroyed a single planet. And of course it didn't take anything out of Buu his energy never went down no matter how much he fought. Fat Buu, Super Buu, or Kid Buu, it didn't matter who he fought or how much he was damaged he stayed at full power.

People didn't doubt what Cell said either. People that can read power levels. Of course the blast didn't explode...Gohan cancelled it out.

Kid Buu blast freaked out people because they couldn't stop it (even though Goku could have went Super Saiyan 3 and stopped it but his pride stopped him from doing that).

Lol...the Buus can lose energy. Fat Buu energy was being depleted when he was taking a beating from kid Buu. You havent said a thing to take away from Cell power, let alone Buus.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Kid Buu wasn't destroying galaxies even over time.
There are only 4 galaxies in DBZ anyway.

It was stated on panel that Buu laid waste to a galaxy and after that statement, Vegeta compared Buu power to Frieza.

When was it ever stated that there are "only" 4 galaxies? There are only 4 galaxies that the ki's are over, not 4 in general. These 4 galaxies are the 4 MAIN galaxies, not the 4 "only" galaxies.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Are people seriously trying to doubt Cell's solar system comment? We were never once given a reason to doubt what he said-- just because Cell was arrogant at times doesn't mean he was sitting there speaking in hyperbole. Think, people.

KAIKAGE Senior Member

Originally posted by Kento
Cell said something to freak people out, that was overpowered by a blast that was shot out into space and didn't destroy any solar system. Kid Buu's blast freaked out people without boasts, made people leagues above Cell run, and only destroyed a single planet. And of course it didn't take anything out of Buu his energy never went down no matter how much he fought. Fat Buu, Super Buu, or Kid Buu, it didn't matter who he fought or how much he was damaged he stayed at full power.

You know what I actually agree, because of the attack type there is no way super perfect cell could destroy a solar system with a beam, the only way it could is if the planet's where aligned or if the blast was big enough to cover the entire solar system. But if they where aligned then the reason it didn't happen when it went into space is because gohan over took cell's attack in the safe direction, but this is all speculation as I highly doubt the planet's where aligned.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by KAIKAGE
You know what I actually agree, because of the attack type there is no way super perfect cell could destroy a solar system with a beam, the only way it could is if the planet's where aligned or if the blast was big enough to cover the entire solar system. But if they where aligned then the reason it didn't happen when it went into space is because gohan over took cell's attack in the safe direction, but this is all speculation as I highly doubt the planet's where aligned.

Planets doesn't have to be aligned for a solar system to be destroyed. Gohan was the reason the blast didn't go off, he cancelled it out. If The Z fighters didn't doubt Cell power, why would I.?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

In the manga, the attacks never 'went into space'. Gohan's Kamehameha simply cancelled Cell's out. End of story.

Furthermore, given the casual nature in which Cell attacked Gohan with said Kamehameha(Cell was toying with him for the lulz) I doubt very highly that he packed the totality of his solar system-busting power into his attack.

CosmicComet Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
It was stated on panel that Buu laid waste to a galaxy and after that statement, Vegeta compared Buu power to Frieza.
When was it ever stated that there are "only" 4 galaxies? There are only 4 galaxies that the ki's are over, not 4 in general. These 4 galaxies are the 4 MAIN galaxies, not the 4 "only" galaxies.

North Galaxy, where Earth is in, is also called the Milky Way Galaxy.

So yes. There are only 4 actual galaxies, and when they show the visuals of the galaxies, they look just like that, galaxies.

And no, Supreme Kai never said that. That was a translation error.

At best, it might mean they simply call small sub-sectors of an entire galaxy, a 'galaxy' as well.

The DBZ universe is small. They even have an official diagram of it.

edit:--The only possible way DBZ could star bust is if they blew out the core or something. Which is a lot different than outright destroying one by making a big enough explosion. Buu for example was the first person to blow up a planet without having to attack the core directly. That makes him at least thousands upon thousands of times more powerful than a core buster.

carver9 Senior Member

Cosmic...

You didn't say a thing to disprove my statement. There isn't a shed of proof in DBZ stating or showing there being only 4 galaxies.

Lol...Frieza destroyed planet Vegeta and its canon.

Lol again at them not being able to destroy a star...LMAO. Where did you get this from bro?

LMChocolateAO...it was stated ON PANEL that Buu destroyed an entire Galaxy in the manga.

Ridley_Prime Smug icon slayer

Originally posted by Kento
Its a fan-made movie though, can't expect great acting.
But that was only a movie/GT attack wasn't it?

I thought he used it against King Piccolo at the end of Dragon Ball as well. And yeah, that's true.

Don't have time at the moment to beat around the bush on the current debate.