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Originally posted by Galan007
Akira himself put those words in Cell's mouth. We were NEVER given a reason to doubt their validity.

You mean other than a planet busting attack being far too much for a pair of characters far stronger than Cell and SSJ2 Gohan to stop?

There is exactly no feat in the entirety of Dragon Ball that supports Cell's boasting, not when much more powerful characters are incapable of doing so.

Ew, I hate applying real world 'laws' to fictional work. Do you know if the inverse square law is even applicable in the world of DBZ(a world where animals can talk, people can fly, entire buildings are contained within tiny Capsules, etc.)? Have any characters stated that if they release the totality of their energies, said energies get weaker the farther they spread outward from the source? I cannot recall such a statement. I can also tell you that in the fictional world of comics, that law certainly does not apply.

IF the inverse square law is applicable in the DBZ-verse, you mean?

Furthermore, 2 billion % was just a rough starting point. Using logical approximations, Vegito would have been around 500 billion % more powerful than Cell(at the very least.) Just saying.

Well, I'd say, the proof is that when an explosion happens in DBZ: It doesn't expand forever with equal intensity. 😱

Sorry, but you can't arbitrarily ignore an IRL scientific fact while at the same time applying them to your reasoning (The size of the solar system and galaxies, etc).

Originally posted by Galan007
In the manga, the attacks never 'went into space'. Gohan's Kamehameha simply cancelled Cell's out. End of story.

Furthermore, given the casual nature in which Cell attacked Gohan with said Kamehameha(Cell was toying with him for the lulz) I doubt very highly that he packed the totality of his solar system-busting power into his attack.

It's sad that they think that after all the increase in power, the Z fighter stopped at planetary. Terrible logic.

Carver, you're too stupid to even know what the difference between busting a planet and busting a star is, in terms of required energy to do so.

Sit down, shut up, and let the smart people talk.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
edit:--The only possible way DBZ could star bust is if they blew out the core or something. Which is a lot different than outright destroying one by making a big enough explosion. Buu for example was the first person to blow up a planet without having to attack the core directly. That makes him at least thousands upon thousands of times more powerful than a core buster.

Nah, it'd take the same amount of energy to cause a planet to blow up into tiny bits or even vaporize. What happened on Namek was just for dramatics. Unless Frieza's attack was literally a time release attack, there's no way it would have blown up.

Basically, the whole "core" thing was just a plot device.

Cell couldn't destroy the Solar System (or even a single star of any size) simply because no one in the series has done anything close to that level, and whatever Toriyama may have intended when he wrote the line where Cell boasts about his power is completely irrelevant, if he didn't bother to depict any of his characters going into outer space and blowing up a star system or alternatively a black-hole or a huge star like VY Canis Majoris then he simply failed to put them on such level.

Author's intent is worthless without proper execution.

Originally posted by carver9
LMChocolateAO...it was stated ON PANEL that Buu destroyed an entire Galaxy in the manga.

Originally posted by carver9
Cosmic...

You didn't say a thing to disprove my statement. There isn't a shed of proof in DBZ stating or showing there being only 4 galaxies.

Lol...Frieza destroyed planet Vegeta and its canon.

Lol again at them not being able to destroy a star...LMAO. Where did you get this from bro?

LMChocolateAO...it was stated ON PANEL that Buu destroyed an entire Galaxy in the manga.

And presumably he destroyed Vegeta the same way he destroyed Namek. Core explosion. Even in Bardock movie lava shoots up and everything. Has to some reason he shot for it

Originally posted by carver9
Kid Buu blast freaked out people because they couldn't stop it (even though Goku could have went Super Saiyan 3 and stopped it but his pride stopped him from doing that).

Lol...the Buus can lose energy. Fat Buu energy was being depleted when he was taking a beating from kid Buu. You havent said a thing to take away from Cell power, let alone Buus.

The only time Fat Buu lost energy, and it was commented on the fact it was the only time.

Originally posted by Galan007

Furthermore, given the casual nature in which Cell attacked Gohan with said Kamehameha(Cell was toying with him for the lulz) I doubt very highly that he packed the totality of his solar system-busting power into his attack.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You mean other than a planet busting attack being far too much for a pair of characters far stronger than Cell and SSJ2 Gohan to stop?

...Or are you one of those people who thinks collateral damage is the only way to gauge energy attacks in DBZ..? srsly

Originally posted by NemeBro
There is exactly no feat in the entirety of Dragon Ball that supports Cell's boasting, not when much more powerful characters are incapable of doing so.

Given that characters from back in the Saiyan Saga were capable of planet-busting, it's ludicrous to limit characters from the Cell/Buu Sagas(who were literally BILLIONS[or in Vegito's case, QUINTILLIONS]of times more powerful) to planetary attacks. Get real.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Well, I'd say, the proof is that when an explosion happens in DBZ: It doesn't expand forever with equal intensity. 😱

Originally posted by NemeBro
Sorry, but you can't arbitrarily ignore an IRL scientific fact while at the same time applying them to your reasoning (The size of the solar system and galaxies, etc).

I merely compared the size of the milky way galaxy in DBZ to the size of the RL milky way. I'm not trying to apply real world laws of physics to a world where many of those laws clearly do not apply(like you are.) When Akira made a giant talking dragon that can grant any wish, I think he pretty much took a shit on physics. srsly

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah, it'd take the same amount of energy to cause a planet to blow up into tiny bits or even vaporize. What happened on Namek was just for dramatics. Unless Frieza's attack was literally a time release attack, there's no way it would have blown up.

Basically, the whole "core" thing was just a plot device.

No time to respond to Galan, but I've heard this is actually a Japanese mythology reference (the blow up core thing), or some shit. Will look up when I'm back from work.

Super Saiyan God form?

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_God

Since the new movie's supposedly canon I guess it retcons SS4 as the form beyond SS3.

Still, at a loss of words for this...

Well, a new form IS the only way to explain how he gets beaten at ssj3 then looks like normal ssj and is all facing Bills at the end, or what looks like the end.

The directors of the movie got mad over the fact that Superman won the death battle.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Super Saiyan God form?

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_God

Since the new movie's supposedly canon I guess it retcons SS4 as the form beyond SS3.

Still, at a loss of words for this...

Originally posted by Astner
The directors of the movie got mad over the fact that Superman won the death battle.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Super Saiyan God form?

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_God

Since the new movie's supposedly canon I guess it retcons SS4 as the form beyond SS3.

Still, at a loss of words for this...

DBZ is dead.

Bills sounds pretty fun really.

Super Saiyan God? That's the best Akira could do?

El.Oh.El.

IKR?

The transformations name alone will tighten the pants of many fanboys.

Sounds written by fanboys lol

Originally posted by Galan007
Super Saiyan God? That's the best Akira could do?

El.Oh.El.