Originally posted by Kanashimi
😱 congratulations you're an idiot. I think the only true way people will understand this topic is if they were gay/bi/Lesbian/Transgender etc and so on. so you shouldnt try to reason with something that you have no idea what it is. no mattter how much you try to understand you never will. Love is love no if ands or buts.
I'm pretty sure he was joking.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Suddenly, I realize why I said I'd never post in this thread again....
This is one of those times when I can't but ignore my own advice even though I know I shouldn't.
Originally posted by Kanashimi
😱 congratulations you're an idiot. I think the only true way people will understand this topic is if they were gay/bi/Lesbian/Transgender etc and so on. so you shouldnt try to reason with something that you have no idea what it is. no mattter how much you try to understand you never will. Love is love no if ands or buts.
(i just found this dont kill me)
There is no way that its Genetic. It's a choice. Just any gay/bi people out there. They all have a story where they had to choice. Yeah some may say that they have known sence they were little but still they chose to follow it. I myself chose to swing the way i do. But this could lead into a whole thing on faith and all that 🙄 like some may think thats its the destney. But anyways... that was my 2 cents.
Originally posted by Bun Bun
(i just found this dont kill me)There is no way that its Genetic. It's a choice. Just any gay/bi people out there. They all have a story where they had to choice. Yeah some may say that they have known sence they were little but still they chose to follow it. I myself chose to swing the way i do. But this could lead into a whole thing on faith and all that 🙄 like some may think thats its the destney. But anyways... that was my 2 cents.
This sentiment has been addressed many times in this thread.
Originally posted by Bun Bun
(i just found this dont kill me)There is no way that its Genetic. It's a choice.
Just to play Devil's Advocate- what fuels a choice? I'm sure you're not suggesting people are gay in spite of their feelings- therefore they have the feelings already. The choice is academic.
Originally posted by Eis
I disagree, straight people are capable of understanding homosexuals cannot help their sexual orentation, I know straight people who do.I'm gay by the way so my opinion is unbiased.
Homosexuality is definitley genetic by the way.
Originally posted by Kanashimi
On a certain level I can agree with that. They can understand some of it. But can they truly understand ALL of it?btw as you can tell im gay as well =p
Way to be open guys...
I applaud your bravery on this site
Yes it might be just letters on a screen but it took guts (maybe)
I am gay also and I do not care what people have to say about it 😛
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I can shout my mouth off till my lips and throat go numb or dry but I am only one voice of millions of gays..But I still stand up for what I believe in...Homosexuality is a genetic thing NOT chosen, No sure where people get that idea from---It is proven
Yes I have replied to this thread before but I see people still do not understand the logic here hmmm
Originally posted by Atlantis001
I can think of many different forms of population control, it think it is a very weak argument. You know... there are many things that can be made natural assuming that they are for population control.
Soylent Green is people! It's PEOPLE! You have to tell everybody!
Originally posted by Bun Bun
(i just found this dont kill me)There is no way that its Genetic. It's a choice. Just any gay/bi people out there. They all have a story where they had to choice. Yeah some may say that they have known sence they were little but still they chose to follow it. I myself chose to swing the way i do. But this could lead into a whole thing on faith and all that 🙄 like some may think thats its the destney. But anyways... that was my 2 cents.
*sigh* Swear to god these people failed sex education....
You don't choose your sexual desires, you CAN however choose to ACT on it.
Gay people don't choose to be sexually attracted to their own gender. They CAN however choose to ACT on their desires.
Homosexuality is the attraction to one's same gender. Not actions. That's an entirely different subject.
By your logic, I could choose to be attracted to Peter Jackson. Which ain't happenin'
Originally posted by Draco69
[B]*sigh* Swear to god these people failed sex education....You don't choose your sexual desires, you CAN however choose to ACT on it.
Gay people don't choose to be sexually attracted to their own gender. They CAN however choose to ACT on their desires.
Homosexuality is the attraction to one's same gender. Not actions. That's an entirely different subject.
By your logic, I could choose to be attracted to Peter Jackson. Which ain't happenin'
Okay Draco fair enough. But let me ask you a scientific question...What are the purposes of the rectum and the large intestine? Are they used for the purpose of excreting waste..or are they used for reproduction?
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Okay Draco fair enough. But let me ask you a scientific question...What are the purposes of the rectum and the large intestine? Are they used for the purpose of excreting waste..or are they used for reproduction?
Choice A.
What is the purpose of the mouth? An orifice for breathing and ingestion or sucking on genitalia?
Originally posted by Draco69
Choice A.What is the purpose of the mouth? An orifice for breathing and ingestion or sucking on genitalia?
Good..we're making progress..then from a genetic standpoint..why didn't the human body "evolve" to accomadate to this "genetic" condition?
Before you answer this question..consider the following.
If you state that homosexuality is a genetic defect......then you are likening homosexuality to a disease or genetic disorder. One that would need to be treated.
If you state that homosexuality as being "natural"..then you are contradicting what we know to be the "natural genetic functions" of rectum, mouth, and large intestine.
The only other option you really have to choose from after these two..would be "choice."
Pick your poison. But do so wisely.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Good..we're making progress..then from a genetic standpoint..why didn't the human body "evolve" to accomadate to this "genetic" condition?
I don't understand your "question". You clearly don't believe in evolution, so why ask that? And what do you mean by genetic condition? You're not making sense...
Before you answer this question..consider the following.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
If you state that homosexuality is a genetic defect......then you are likening homosexuality to a disease or genetic disorder. One that would need to be treated.
Homosexuality hasn't been proven to be a genetic disorder. Why would it would it be considered a disorder as would race/height/eye color? You perceive it to be a disorder because it doesn't fit your status quo. Ironically enough, homogenuity in nature doesn't exist. I have no idea what the purpose of homosexuality any more than I would know the purpose of race or really big feet.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
If you state that homosexuality as being "natural"..then you are contradicting what we know to be the "natural genetic functions" of rectum, mouth, and large intestine.
Um. no. You once again making the mistake of equating sexual orientation with sexual position and/or acts. Not to mention you're leaving the poor lesbians out this. The purpose of the anus is for excretion. But people, gay or straight, still use for sex. The purpose of the mouth is for breathing and ingestion, but again people, gay or straight, still use it for sex. If these sexual actions that are not considered to be the "natural" way than by your definiton heterosexualtiy is also a defunct since many heterosexual people choose to have anal/oral sex.
Sexual actions has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
Originally posted by Draco69
I don't understand your "question". You clearly don't believe in evolution, so why ask that? And what do you mean by genetic condition? You're not making sense...
You are correct..I don't believe in Neo Darwinism. However I know that you do, so that is why I framed the question using the word "evolve."
You stated that the anus is used for the purpose of excreting waste. Many homosexuals use the anus to engage in sexual acts. The practice of homosexuality has been around for 1000's of years..Correct?
You/others have stated that homosexuality is based on one's genetics. My question to you was..why hasn't the function of the anus "evolved" to accomadate to this "genetic" condition? Perhaps the question should have been phrased differently. Since you are having difficulty understanding what I am asking, try answering the rephrased question below..
Why hasn't the function of the anus evolved into something capable of reproduction?
Real simple question.
Homosexuality hasn't been proven to be a genetic disorder. Why would it would it be considered a disorder as would race/height/eye color? You
The concept of "Race" is actually related to a multitude of factors Draco..not just to one's physical appearence or genetics. Caste systems and Religion..have just as much to do with "race" as genetics do.
However..from a physical/genetic standpoint..many of these differences can be attributed to some sort of environmental benefit. The most obvious example would be an individual's skin color. For example A darker individual..would have more protection from the sun than a lighter individual would. Again. Simple stuff to understand.
perceive it to be a disorder because it doesn't fit your status quo. Ironically enough, homogenuity in nature doesn't exist. I have no idea what the purpose of homosexuality any more than I would know the purpose of race or really big feet.
I don't perceive it to be a disorder, however, Science has not come up with any practical use for homosexuality/lesbianism..other than for sexual gratification. I believe you will find that I am correct about this, unless you are able to provide some examples/theories as to how fellatio, anal sex, vaginal oral sex etc..perform some sort of specific "evolutionary function"
Um. no. You once again making the mistake of equating sexual orientation with sexual position and/or acts. Not to mention you're leaving the poor lesbians out this.
Just added the poor lesbians into it by adding the term "vaginal oral sex"
The purpose of the anus is for excretion.
But people, gay or straight, still use for sex.
So what is the difference between a heterosexual and a homosexual engaging in sodomy/fellatio for sexual purposes? Wouldn't it be just as much of a choice for the hetero as it would for the homo?
The purpose of the mouth is for breathing and ingestion, but again people, gay or straight, still use it for sex. If these sexual actions that are not considered to be the "natural" way than by your definiton heterosexualtiy is also a defunct since many heterosexual people choose to have anal/oral sex.
Refer to the above.
Sexual actions has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
You are correct. The root of both problems stems from personal "choices"..not genetics.
Originally posted by Lana
1. Anal sex is not exclusive to homosexual males.
Never stated that it was..just don't know why it's deemed "genetic" when they engage in it.
2. Sex is not just for reproduction, it is also for pleasure.
Again..never stated that is wasn't for sexual pleasure. But it's primary purpose is for reproduction. The human anus, mouth, and large intestine are not used for the purpose of reproduction.
3. There is a difference between being attracted to someone and chosing to act on that attraction.
True. Still doesn't negate choice. I can be attracted to do a lot of things..such as kill, eat feces, and jump off of a cliff. Doesn't mean that I was born wanting to do those things...nor does it make it any less of a choice when I partake in them