Originally posted by whobdamandogsorry but that doesn't make a post the same.
I don't mean to be rude powerful one..but how can I be any less productive than yourself..I mean..you've essentially posted the same post for the past 30 pages.."is it comprehensible..." got a bit old after the 3rd post my friend...😉
Originally posted by whobdamandog
okay nite guys..I've had my fun for the day, please do attempt to prepare yourself with arguments with a bit more substance next time..😉
heed your own advice.
IS IT COMPREHENSIBLE.....
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Yes..but our asses can't produce babies..get it..got it..
good..😉
Well you did imply that "swimming" was unnatural..but acceptable..I thought I would use similar rationale that pertained to the topic at hand..
Relating that to supporting life in an anus is strawmanning at best.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
So do you believe it would be exceptable for a scientist to attempt to incubate a human embryo in a man's ass..that's lined with excrement and all sorts of bile? I mean..it's possible right..they are able to incubate fetus's of a certain age in those incubation tubes..right? So that would make it acceptable to incubate a fetus in a man's asscrack right? 😉
Originally posted by whobdamandog
I don't have to claim them to be false..all I have to do is point them out as being stupid and illogical..I think I've done my job there..😉😉
Originally posted by whobdamandog
You assume that homosexuality is a "base desire" and not a "choice"
Originally posted by whobdamandog
.you have no evidence supporting this position..just a multitude of flawed opinions based on inconclusive evidence, nothing more..nothing less.
Now you are being hypocritical. Where is your evidence supporting that it is not a base desire?.
If you'd read whatever you think you are making a retort to, you'd notice that I never said it is predetermined. It has not been proven on either side yet.
You're ignorantly assuming that it is a choice because of a few cases that can be interpreted as something you would like to believe.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
But proving that human beings are not designed to swim proves that one's "desires" are genetic? 😕 😆
Originally posted by whobdamandog
You've made nothing but assumptions my friend, and poor ones at that. Sad to say you've failed with your arguments..but I do hope you've learned something..😉
You accuse everyone here of making pretentious assumptions, and I'll agree that some do that, but where have you shown that sexuality is a choice? Show us where it has been proven and I doubt anyone of the slightest intellegence will refute your claims.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
And that's what it really "comes" down to in my opinion.People doing whatever the hell they want. Fine. Do it if it makes you happy.
But don't say that you do it becuase it feels good, that its how you express your love, and how you want to live your life.....
And then turn around and say it's "natural".
Or even worse... "genetics".
It is quite possible for homosexuals to pursue relationships with members of the same sex for the reasons you listed and for homosexuality to be genetic.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
It is a deliberate, concious, on purpose way of living your life that you know the human race wasn't designed for.
Human beings are not "designed."
Originally posted by sithsaber408
I go back to some of my original statements:If everyone was gay, we could not advance. Everybody would die and there would be no human race.
Whether or not homosexual relationships can produce offspring has nothing to do with whether or not homosexuality is genetic.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
(It is both ignorance and folly to say that becuase of the population of the world now that this is simply not true. It's still true, you just won't have to deal with the reprocussions of it.)
A study by Camperio-Ciani of the University of Padua - Italy found that women who pass on a trait for homosexuality to their children are more fertile than women who do not.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Your environment/upbringng may make you pre-disposed to certain feelings/actions, but you make your own choices to follow through on them.
(I got in plenty of trouble being raised by a single mother in East San Jose, but I still have to be accountable for getting into that trouble.)
According to extensive research by the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychoanalytic Association, and the American Psychological Association this is not the case for homosexuality.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
People who are gay cannot say for sure that "nothing out of the ordinary happened in my childhood."They don't know that for sure.
I won't make the same mistakes twice, so I'll use myself as an example.
I cant' remember much past the age of 5-6. Anything from 3-4 is just images and feelings. Nothing before that.
I don't honestly know if I ever was abused or not.
It could have happened with a babysitter. I went to a day-care when I was young. I only have fleeting (if any!) memories of my years in pre-school and kindergarten. It could have been an uncle over to visit.
If I had older brothers or sisters, it could have been them or one of their friends. Could have been a curious cousin. (I don't know about you, but all the younger children usually went off to play in other rooms while the adults talked before dinner at a family gathering.)There are so many people that a child age 1-5 or 6 comes into contact with that they would have little or no memory of.
If it was my parents, I would never have heard about it for sure.
It it wasn't, why the hell would they tell me anyway?
Telling a young child that they were abused would only damage them further psychologically, and if they seem not to remember it anyway, I can see quite a few parents just letting the sleeping dogs lye.
(Ditto for not telling you when you grew up, as it wouldn't do any good now.)
I say that it is developed through environmental factors, and the argument I often get back is that "nothing happened.", so I can't say that.
But you are dismissing a vital part of the environmental/genetic debate if you throw these points away, based on nothing more than your inability to remember something that is next to impossible to remember happening!!!!
Many people suffer from all kinds of abuse and neglect as children, yet grow up to be heterosexual. There is no correlation between any of these instances and homosexuality.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
At any rate, I don't think that "environmental factors" are necessarily always cases of molestation/sexual abuse.It could be just the influence of an older gay person at a young age.
It could be an inability to fit in being a boy (sports, bugs, dirt...etc.) or a girl (dresses, barbie's, play house...etc...) that makes a child feel as though they don't belong in the group that they were born into.
It could be an exposure to normal, healthy sex at an innapropriate age.
(Kid walks in on dad pounding mom, sees the roughness, imagines his mothers grunts and cries are painfull,.... is either scared or develops a disgust for man/woman sex.)
There are so many avenues in life that could be an explanation, and many more that have not been explored/are not understood.
Many people have bad experiences with a member of a particular sex, yet grow up to be heterosexual. There is no correlation between any of these instances and homosexuality.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Gay people have been part of us (the human race ) for quite a while, and I'm sure they will be with us for much longer.What I want is more knowledge/education about homosexuality, particualrly its causes.
What I don't want is my little brother's elementary school telling him that homosexuality is a natural way of life, and encouraging him to experiment with it. (such pro-gay curriculum is already being proposed/implemented for teaching to 4th graders.)
Homosexuality is definitionally natural, i.e. it is present in and faithfully represents nature or life, is a phenomena expressive of natural conditions, and conforms to the usual and ordinary course of the material world and its phenomena.
In this sense, there is nothing wrong with teaching that homosexuality is natural, nor is there anything wrong with teaching people to respect one another regardless of sexual orientation.
However, encouraging children to experiment with sexuality, whether it be heterosexuality or homosexuality is wrong. If it is your assertion that public schools are encouraging children to experiment with homosexuality, by all means, post the materials in question for all to see.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
A man's sperm doesn't fertilize feces, and a woman doesn't have a period every month because her eggs were unfertilized by another woman.
This would almost be relevant if homosexuals had sex with one another with the purpose of procreating.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Teaching kids that gay sex is natural, while also teaching them about polination, rain cycles, and animal and human breeding might confuse them just a bit.
Teaching children abstract mathematics concepts might confuse them as well. By your reasoning, we should not teach children anything that may confuse them.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
The idea of "born gay" is innacurate and illogical.The human race was "born with drives, instinct, capabilities, and functional anatomy to pro-create through heterosexual copulation".....
anything anybody else does is up to them.
If people are not "born gay," then how do you explain the fact that homosexuals are biologically different from heterosexuals, i.e. the brain structure, inner-ear, and fingerprints of homosexuals are different than those of heterosexuals, and that homosexuals are genetically different from heterosexuals, i.e. homosexuals share a genetic marker and stretches of DNA that are not shared by heterosexuals?
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Makedde do you choose to make dumb posts..or does it just come naturally sweety?If Jeffrey Dhamer "controlled" his behavior and choose to not eat human flesh..he'd be miserable..
If Charles Manson didn't get a chance to kill people and sacrafice them to the Devil..I'm sure he wouldn't be to happy..
If Michael Jackson didn't get a chance to..well you get the point..
Just because one is attracted to doing "something", it does not make that something right..nor does it mean that they have to act on these "attractions" or "behaviors"
Why are you all having such a difficult time understanding this?
The examples you posted are people infringing upon the rights of others. Please explain how homosexuals infringe upon your rights.
Not to mention, none of that even means it's genetic or a choice.
The stupidity of certain people in this thread never ceases to astound me. Even the title of the thread is idiotic presuming that if homosexuality is not genetic then it must be chosen.
The deliberate blurring of the line between sexual behaviour and sexual orientation is transparent.
A man is heterosexual. He is attracted to women.
He is extorted into performing a homosexual sexual act.
He does not become a homosexual. He is not attracted to men.
The extortion is ongoing, for a long period of time.
He still does not become a homosexual. He is still not attracted to men.
Is it possible that that was the environmental factor that "altered" your orientation.Maybe it is was an experience? You said up until 12 your life was normal. Maybe that change facilitated something.
Possibly you're exhibiting some form of rebelliousness. Perhaps you grew up in a single family home, perhaps your mother over nutured you to the point where you identified and emulated her behaviors more than your fathers..who knows exactly what went wrong..I'm sure if you gave us an detailed description of your life..we could determine what "environmental factors" enabled you to make the choice.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
FYI Ultimately every decision we make comes down to choice EIS...no one is forcing you to do what you are doing...and you can choose to live a different lifestyle..
*becomes straight*
Originally posted by StyleTime
No. I stated that our bodies were't designed specifically for aquatic travel, yet it IS natural to swim.
Are you familiar with the "natural" function of the anus?
Seriously bud..how does this explain it as being "natural" for a man to stick his wanker up another man's poop shot?
You're being silly...regardless of whether one assumes swimming to be a "natural" or "unnatural" act..the bottom line is that human beings were not designed to live and cohabit in water..just like the anus was not "designed" for excepting male ejaculation to fertilize feces and produce offspring.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Relating that to supporting life in an anus is strawmanning at best.
You keep on trying to equate one's "ability" to perform a particular action as "natural.."
Anyway..It's not strawmanning in the least...the anus is not meant for procreation. If a man "chooses" to stick his wanker in the anus of another man..there is no possibility of producing offspring.
Case in point...being able to swim..does not mean that man was designed to "live in water"
Being able to stick something in the anus, does not mean that it was designed to have stuff stuck up in it...nor does it make it an "accpetable" behavior when one "chooses" to do it..
Vous comprenez?
Originally posted by StyleTime
I believe the word you are looking for is "acceptable".
How is sticking the penis up the anus "acceptable"?
What "acceptable" biological purpose does this action perform?
What "acceptable" social purpose does this action fulfill?
Originally posted by StyleTime
You keep rambling on about incubating babies in an anus or homosexuality being the same as using a banana or spiked dildo, yet believe my points are fallacious. Hmm....
That's a weak rebuttal at best..a strawman at worst. My point has always been that because one has the "ability" to do something, that doesn't necessarily make that "ability" a natural one. Again..being able to stick things up the rectum..does not mean that it is "natural" to stick things up the rectum...and biology tells us that the rectum is not designed to have stuff go into it..it's designed to have stuff come OUT of it...duhh...😉
Originally posted by StyleTime
All sexuality is a base desire.
And how does this "base desire" make it any less of a choice for one to follow through with their actions?
Originally posted by StyleTime
I have made NO assumptions.
You've made plenty of assumptions..in fact everything you've posted is based on assumption.
I've given many facts.
Specifically one's relating to the "natural" biological functions of various human body parts.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Now you are being hypocritical. Where is your evidence supporting that it is not a base desire?.
People make choices everyday. An individual can choose what "lifestyle" they wish to engage in. This is my proof. This is common sense stuff bud.
Originally posted by StyleTime
If you'd read whatever you think you are making a retort to, you'd notice that I never said it is predetermined. It has not been proven on either side yet.
Repeat:
People make choices everyday. An individual can choose what "lifestyle" they wish to engage in. This is my proof. This is common sense stuff bud.
Originally posted by StyleTime
You're ignorantly assuming that it is a choice because of a few cases that can be interpreted as something you would like to believe.
Repeat:
People make choices everyday. An individual can choose what "lifestyle" they wish to engage in. This is my proof. This is common sense stuff bud.
Originally posted by StyleTime
I made that analogy to adress your flawed logic when referring to "natural" acts. You can't accept your fault so you take what I say out of context.
You can't accept the fact that the "anus" was not designed to have large objects inserted into it. Your flawed ANAL-ogy..(me so funny) of comparing swimming to anal sex is ridiculous..as are all the other arguments you've presented within this thread.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Once again, no assumption were made on my part. I've learned that you truthfully have no ground to stand on here. You are apparently too ignorant to acknowledge another side with more evidence supporting it, trying to answer a question that wasn't even asked, bringing morals into what should be a place for objectivity, brutally slaughtering strawmen, and resorting to empty insults to hide your lack of merit.You accuse everyone here of making pretentious assumptions, and I'll agree that some do that, but where have you shown that sexuality is a choice? Show us where it has been proven and I doubt anyone of the slightest intellegence will refute your claims.
I assume you mean "intelligence"..how oxymoronic..you can't spell intelligence properly..but you then put down someone else's intelligence...lol...
Anyway my friend..you've proven that you know nothing about human biology. If you did, you would not continue to make ridiculous arguments which compare anal sex to swimming...lol..
Moving past that...let me repeat for this sentence one last time...so you will perhaps get this through that thick head of yours..
Repeat:
People make choices everyday. An individual can choose what "lifestyle" they wish to engage in. This is my proof. This is common sense stuff bud.
Alright guys..I'm outty for now..
Fin