Originally posted by whobdamandog
And people are able to make that choice, but not every choice one makes for their "personal" lifestyle..needs to be recognized as "morally" acceptable behavior in a society.How is homosexuality moral by the way?
I'd love to hear you explain this..
I'd love to hear you explain this...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
That has been stated all along. Regardless of our "enviornmental" circumstances or our "genetics" We still have the ability to make choices. Neither genetics nor environment negate these "choices"
Originally posted by whobdamandog
A multitude of social situations have been linked to various types of sexual behavior. "Degenerate" domestic conditions are not the sole reason behind all these behaviors, however, many times..they do play a part in an individual's overall sexual development.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Not true at all. In fact many notable professionals agree that one's sexual orientation can not be solely linked to "genetic" factors. I've provided many quotes supporting this assertion scan back a few pages.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Did you even read what I wrote? I merely stated that what holds true for the origin of one sexuality must hold true for all. To put it simply for you, if a homosexual must choose homosexuality, then a heterosexual must choose heterosexuality. Same applies for all orientations.
This is very true.
Originally posted by Makedde
You think you're funny, but really you are mocking every homosexual out there.
Sweety I'm not mocking anyone..you all are making arses of yourselves by trying to say that you can't control your behaviors. My sole purpose in posting within this thread has been to point out how silly your arguments come across.
Even those who many consider to be "intelligent" on this board have come up with some pretty ridiculous arguments regarding this whole "genetic" position.
Adam Poe(paraphrased): "The driving force behind a society is not it's ability to reproduce..but the abilities of the members who make up the society.."
The above statement makes no damn sense, how can there be members of a society..if the ability to reproduce these members does not exist? Again..silly stuff.
You all have also been trying to bring up all sorts of unrelated issues like gay marriage, masterbation, old people..etc...etc..which have nothing to do with the topic..
To add to all this foolishness..every bit of your "genetic" information..has been proven inconclusive on soo many levels..it's downright ridiculous at this point..(ie twin studies, Human genome project..etc)
Hell the entire scientific community agrees that an individual's "sexual orientation" could never be exclusively linked to genetics.
You all need to stop with the nonsense..take another look at the "evidence." Forgive me for coming across as an arse..but you all have really brought it on yourselves with such ridiculous arguments and positions.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Sweety I'm not mocking anyone..you all are making arses of yourselves by trying to say that you can't control your behaviors.
If gay people 'controlled' their behaiviors, they would be miserable. If you started a relationship with a person of the same sex, you'd be miserable, because you are not attracted to members of your sex.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Get an 8 inch banana and try sticking it up your ass..Then you tell me whether or not sticking a banana up your ass is a "natural" thing to do..
Is it comprehensible...🙄...😆
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Possibly you're exhibiting some form of rebelliousness. Perhaps you grew up in a single family home, perhaps your mother over nutured you to the point where you identified and emulated her behaviors more than your fathers..[B]who knows exactly what went wrong..I'm sure if you gave us an detailed description of your life..we could determine what "environmental factors" enabled you to make the choice. [/B]
Or did your preference merely shift?
Originally posted by Makedde
I think people should stop complaining about something that doesn't affect them. If people want to **** their arses, go right ahead, I don't care, because at least someone's getting some!
And that's what it really "comes" down to in my opinion. ( 😛 )
People doing whatever the hell they want. Fine. Do it if it makes you happy.
But don't say that you do it becuase it feels good, that its how you express your love, and how you want to live your life.....
And then turn around and say it's "natural".
Or even worse... "genetics".
It is a deliberate, concious, on purpose way of living your life that you know the human race wasn't designed for.
I go back to some of my original statements:
If everyone was gay, we could not advance. Everybody would die and there would be no human race.
(It is both ignorance and folly to say that becuase of the population of the world now that this is simply not true. It's still true, you just won't have to deal with the reprocussions of it.)
Your environment/upbringng may make you pre-disposed to certain feelings/actions, but you make your own choices to follow through on them.
(I got in plenty of trouble being raised by a single mother in East San Jose, but I still have to be accountable for getting into that trouble.)
People who are gay cannot say for sure that "nothing out of the ordinary happened in my childhood."
They don't know that for sure.
I won't make the same mistakes twice, so I'll use myself as an example.
I cant' remember much past the age of 5-6. Anything from 3-4 is just images and feelings. Nothing before that.
I don't honestly know if I ever was abused or not.
It could have happened with a babysitter. I went to a day-care when I was young. I only have fleeting (if any!) memories of my years in pre-school and kindergarten. It could have been an uncle over to visit.
If I had older brothers or sisters, it could have been them or one of their friends. Could have been a curious cousin. (I don't know about you, but all the younger children usually went off to play in other rooms while the adults talked before dinner at a family gathering.)
There are so many people that a child age 1-5 or 6 comes into contact with that they would have little or no memory of.
If it was my parents, I would never have heard about it for sure.
It it wasn't, why the hell would they tell me anyway?
Telling a young child that they were abused would only damage them further psychologically, and if they seem not to remember it anyway, I can see quite a few parents just letting the sleeping dogs lye.
(Ditto for not telling you when you grew up, as it wouldn't do any good now.)
I say that it is developed through environmental factors, and the argument I often get back is that "nothing happened.", so I can't say that.
But you are dismissing a vital part of the environmental/genetic debate if you throw these points away, based on nothing more than your inability to remember something that is next to impossible to remember happening!!!!
At any rate, I don't think that "environmental factors" are necessarily always cases of molestation/sexual abuse.
It could be just the influence of an older gay person at a young age.
It could be an inability to fit in being a boy (sports, bugs, dirt...etc.) or a girl (dresses, barbie's, play house...etc...) that makes a child feel as though they don't belong in the group that they were born into.
It could be an exposure to normal, healthy sex at an innapropriate age.
(Kid walks in on dad pounding mom, sees the roughness, imagines his mothers grunts and cries are painfull,.... is either scared or develops a disgust for man/woman sex.)
There are so many avenues in life that could be an explanation, and many more that have not been explored/are not understood.
Gay people have been part of us (the human race🙂 ) for quite a while, and I'm sure they will be with us for much longer.
What I want is more knowledge/education about homosexuality, particualrly its causes.
What I don't want is my little brother's elementary school telling him that homosexuality is a natural way of life, and encouraging him to experiment with it. (such pro-gay curriculum is already being proposed/implemented for teaching to 4th graders.)
A man's sperm doesn't fertilize feces, and a woman doesn't have a period every month because her eggs were unfertilized by another woman.
Teaching kids that gay sex is natural, while also teaching them about polination, rain cycles, and animal and human breeding might confuse them just a bit. 😉
The idea of "born gay" is innacurate and illogical.
The human race was "born with drives, instinct, capabilities, and functional anatomy to pro-create through heterosexual copulation".....
anything anybody else does is up to them. thumbsup
Question:
Originally posted by powerfulone1987why is it so unnatural?
Answer:
Originally posted by Makedde
Because the anus wasn't designed to be used that way. I agree with that, because it is true. But just because it wasn't desgned for that, doesn't make anal sex unnatural.
So sticking the wanker in the bunghole is "unnatural"..but it's also "natural" according to you Makedee..okay..make's sense..no contradiction there..🙄...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
So sticking the wanker in the bunghole is "unnatural"..but it's also "natural" according to you Makedee..okay..make's sense..no contradiction there..🙄...
I never said it was unnatural, I just said it wasn't designed for that. Just becuase it wasn't designed for that, doesn't make it wrong.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Did someone just ignore my post cause it proved you wrong whob?
I answered..I just directed the answer towards Makedee..
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Feeling good...does not equate to being good for you.I may want to eat Ice cream for the rest of my life because it "feels good", but obviously there are various "health" problems that I would incur from such a diet, so I choose not to do it.
If I stick my wanker in a dog's butt..it might feel good, but obviously..it wouldn't be the right thing to do, and could cause harm to the animal..as well as to myself.
That's what seperates man from beast people..we can control our urges..even though we have these impulses to do things that "feel good", It doesn't mean we have to act on them.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Did someone just ignore my post cause it proved you wrong whob?
Originally posted by whobdamandog
So sticking the wanker in the bunghole is "unnatural"..but it's also "natural" according to you Makedee..okay..make's sense..no contradiction there..🙄...
Humans weren't specifically designed for aquatic travel but it's not unnatural for us to swim.
Originally posted by Makedde
Because the anus wasn't designed to be used that way. I agree with that, because it is true. But just because it wasn't desgned for that, doesn't make anal sex unnatural.
You do realize you're contradicting yourself.
You said it was unnatural and then in this post you say you agree with that statement and then you say it's not unnatural at the end of the post.
Which is it?
is it comprehensible.....
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Get an 8 inch banana and try sticking it up your ass..Then you tell me whether or not sticking a banana up your ass is a "natural" thing to do..
Is it comprehensible...🙄...😆
and when will you realize that homosexual relationships aren't about anal sex.
Again, you center everything around male relationships. There is a such thing as a Homosexual female.
is it comprehensible.....
Originally posted by StyleTime
You just simplified homosexuality down to fornicating oneself with a banana....
Same thing..only the banana is edible..😉
Originally posted by StyleTime
I noticed you like to incenuate that something has gone awry in a homosexual's life. Even if an event did trigger a sexual change, that doesn't mean something went wrong. If you had a bad experience with rock and decided to listen to rap, did something "go wrong"?Or did your preference merely shift? [/B]
Sometimes it's related to poor social situations..sometimes it's just a person's inherent selfishness, in many instances..I believe this is the case..at least when it comes to those who deem themselves to be "homosexuals" on this board. I'm almost certain most of them are just spoiled little rich kids..whose parents didn't beat their arses enough..and teach them right from wrong.
Whatever the social situation may be..it doesn't negate an individual's CHOICE. And that's what it all comes down to my man..CHOICE..pure and simple..
Anyone who states they don't have a choice to engage in such activities is lying to themselves, however, I have more sympathy for those who keep these things private and truly wish to change, than I do for those who attempt to reconcile such behaviors as being "moral", and attempt to force others to accept and legalize their foolish doctrines.
Originally posted by sithsaber408People doing whatever the hell they want. Fine. Do it if it makes you happy.
But don't say that you do it becuase it feels good, that its how you express your love, and how you want to live your life.....
And then turn around and say it's "natural".
And if they said this there would be nothing wrong with them saying it. It is possible for a man to love a man or a woman to love a woman and be happy and feel good about it.
I doubt they would if it didn't make them feel good. You so stupid.
is it comprehensible.....
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Same thing..only the banana is edible..😉Sometimes it's related to poor social situations..sometimes it's just a person's inherent selfishness, in many instances..I believe this is the case..at least when it comes to those who deem themselves to be "homosexuals" on this board. I'm almost certain most of them are just spoiled little rich kid..whose parents didn't beat their arses enough..and teach them right from wrong.
Whatever the social situation may be..it doesn't negate an individual's CHOICE. And that's what it all comes down to my man..CHOICE..pure and simple..
Anyone who states they don't have a choice to engage in such activities is lying to themselves, however, I have more sympathy for those who keep these things private and truly wish to change, than I do for those who attempt to reconcile such behaviors as being "moral", and attempt to force others to accept and legalize their foolish doctrines.
"Oh, little shelly didn't get enough beatings while he was growing up so now..............SHE'S A HOMOSEXUAL".
go occupy yourself for a while and eat shit
is it comprehensible.....