Again:
And that's what it really "comes" down to in my opinion. ( 😛 )
People doing whatever the hell they want. Fine. Do it if it makes you happy.
But don't say that you do it becuase it feels good, that its how you express your love, and how you want to live your life.....
And then turn around and say it's "natural".
Or even worse... "genetics".
It is a deliberate, concious, on purpose way of living your life that you know the human race wasn't designed for.
I go back to some of my original statements:
If everyone was gay, we could not advance. Everybody would die and there would be no human race.
(It is both ignorance and folly to say that becuase of the population of the world now that this is simply not true. It's still true, you just won't have to deal with the reprocussions of it.)
Your environment/upbringng may make you pre-disposed to certain feelings/actions, but you make your own choices to follow through on them.
(I got in plenty of trouble being raised by a single mother in East San Jose, but I still have to be accountable for getting into that trouble.)
People who are gay cannot say for sure that "nothing out of the ordinary happened in my childhood."
They don't know that for sure.
I won't make the same mistakes twice, so I'll use myself as an example.
I cant' remember much past the age of 5-6. Anything from 3-4 is just images and feelings. Nothing before that.
I don't honestly know if I ever was abused or not.
It could have happened with a babysitter. I went to a day-care when I was young. I only have fleeting (if any!) memories of my years in pre-school and kindergarten. It could have been an uncle over to visit.
If I had older brothers or sisters, it could have been them or one of their friends. Could have been a curious cousin. (I don't know about you, but all the younger children usually went off to play in other rooms while the adults talked before dinner at a family gathering.)
There are so many people that a child age 1-5 or 6 comes into contact with that they would have little or no memory of.
If it was my parents, I would never have heard about it for sure.
It it wasn't, why the hell would they tell me anyway?
Telling a young child that they were abused would only damage them further psychologically, and if they seem not to remember it anyway, I can see quite a few parents just letting the sleeping dogs lye.
(Ditto for not telling you when you grew up, as it wouldn't do any good now.)
I say that it is developed through environmental factors, and the argument I often get back is that "nothing happened.", so I can't say that.
But you are dismissing a vital part of the environmental/genetic debate if you throw these points away, based on nothing more than your inability to remember something that is next to impossible to remember happening!!!!
At any rate, I don't think that "environmental factors" are necessarily always cases of molestation/sexual abuse.
It could be just the influence of an older gay person at a young age.
It could be an inability to fit in being a boy (sports, bugs, dirt...etc.) or a girl (dresses, barbie's, play house...etc...) that makes a child feel as though they don't belong in the group that they were born into.
It could be an exposure to normal, healthy sex at an innapropriate age.
(Kid walks in on dad pounding mom, sees the roughness, imagines his mothers grunts and cries are painfull,.... is either scared or develops a disgust for man/woman sex.)
There are so many avenues in life that could be an explanation, and many more that have not been explored/are not understood.
Gay people have been part of us (the human race🙂 ) for quite a while, and I'm sure they will be with us for much longer.
What I want is more knowledge/education about homosexuality, particualrly its causes.
What I don't want is my little brother's elementary school telling him that homosexuality is a natural way of life, and encouraging him to experiment with it. (such pro-gay curriculum is already being proposed/implemented for teaching to 4th graders.)
A man's sperm doesn't fertilize feces, and a woman doesn't have a period every month because her eggs were unfertilized by another woman.
Teaching kids that gay sex is natural, while also teaching them about polination, rain cycles, and animal and human breeding might confuse them just a bit. 😉
The idea of "born gay" is innacurate and illogical.
The human race was "born with drives, instinct, capabilities, and functional anatomy to pro-create through heterosexual copulation".....
anything anybody else does is up to them. thumbsup