Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

Exactly, regardless of being attracted to having "anal sex" with a man..you weren't born wanting to do it.

It most definitely is. People can choose who they want to have sex with.
If one is attracted to having anal sex at all, they are abnormal. If they are attracted to having anal sex with a man, they are even more abnormal.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
I've answered your questions many times, just because something "feels good", it doesn't make it natural, nor does it mean that one is born wanting to engage in acts that go against the bodies "natural" functions.

then why did god design our bodies so that the prostate can only be stimulated through anal sex???

Having sex with a mans ear will not make the man receiving the ear pounding have an orgasm... But a man can have an orgasm through anal sex... Why???

I think the term you want to use is wanger... Thats another word for penis... Wanker is an insult...

Originally posted by Eis
Just as much as you weren't born wanting to put your penis on a woman's vagina.

No I was born wanting to put my penis IN a woman's vagina.

Originally posted by Eis
So you see a fat woman walking, you can make yourself WANT to have sex with her? Cause if that's the case I'm afraid it's you who is abnormal.

It depends. If she is just phat in da back..sure. If you mean as in "fat" all over..."possibly." Given the right circumstances of course. 😆

This still doesn't explain how it's NATURAL for you to look at a man's butt, knowing what comes out of it and all, and then logically say..hey..I want to stick my penis in there. 😆

No I was born wanting to put my penis IN a woman's vagina.

It depends. If she is just phat in da back..sure. If you mean as in "fat" all over..."possibly." Given the right circumstances of course.

This still doesn't explain how it's NATURAL for you to look at a man's butt, knowing what comes out of it and all, and then logically say..hey..I want to stick my penis in there.

Do you know what comes out of a woman's vagina? Cute clean mineral water?

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
then why did god design our bodies so that the prostate can only be stimulated through anal sex???

God didn't design men to get aroused from these types of things. A lot of people are just perverted, and unfortunately..like to rationalize why "everything" that makes them feel good is okay to do.

Anyway..as I've stated countless times, people get "sexually" turned on from all types of things. Many men can get aroused, from sticking their penis's in a coke bottle...😉 Does that mean that God designed the penis to be stuck inside a coke bottle?🙄

You ever been constipated? Or does it hurt when a big piece of sh*t is coming out of ya? Most people feel "pain" when large objects are passing through their rectums...😉

And call me crazy, but I don't think the lining of the large intestine lubricates itself during "sexual" arousal, to make it easier to insert objects in it..or does it? You tell me bud..🙄

Or better yet..go get a colonoscopy. I can guarantee you, that unless you're a bit on the perverted side, it probably won't arouse you...😉

Seriously bud..you're argument is sounding a bit silly at this point. From a biological perspective, the anus obviously wasn't meant for sexual intercourse, despite what many of those who have conditioned themselves to liking such perverted behavior will tell you.

Originally posted by Eis
You were? Wow... that's extremely weird and frankly a little disturbing.

Well I actually knew I was heterosexual at the age of around 3 or 4, that's the same time many homosexuals realize their sexuality..😉

Originally posted by Eis
So basically, no you can't FORCE to make yourself want to have sex with another person.

Sure you can. I can force myself into doing anything with the right amount of time and practice. Eventually I can even convince myself that I don't have a choice in doing that thing that I've forced myself into doing.

But let's not forget..that I can also control myself, despite what actions I've allowed myself to be attracted to. For example, I'm attracted to hurting people who piss me off all of the time. But I don't do it.

Originally posted by Eis
Do you know what comes out of a woman's vagina? Cute clean mineral water?

Yes, and I also know what is considered biologically "natural" to go inside of it during sexual intercourse.

(for those who are a bit slow, I'm referring to the "penis"😉

Well I actually knew I was heterosexual at the age of around 3 or 4, that's the same time many homosexuals realize their sexuality..

Sure you can. I can force myself into doing anything with the right amount of time and practice. Eventually I can even convince myself that I don't have a choice in doing that thing that I've forced myself into doing.

But let's not forget..that I can also control myself, despite what actions I've allowed myself to be attracted to. For example, I'm attracted to hurting people who piss me off all of the time. But I don't do it.

Yes, and I also know what is considered biologically "natural" to go inside of it during sexual intercourse.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
God didn't design men to get aroused from these types of things. A lot of people are just perverted, and unfortunately..like to rationalize why "everything" that makes them feel good is okay to do.

😆 I'm not the weak one here... Your intentionaly having to dumb down the point as it goes against everything you hold true...

that 1 God intellegently designed us...
and 2 Homosexuality is wrong...

on both of these views you have stuggled though threads when confronted with points.. so you have had to reduce the arguement to throwing in insulting terms as to make your point look stronger...

Other then the fact that Men can't have babies and a 2000yr old book says its wrong you have no where to stand...

Now I'll try again... This isn't a some thing that a few men find stimulating.. Nor is it the perverted view of a minority... This is in all men... The prostate gland...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostate

Now orgasms through the prostate are only achievable through anal sex... This isn't in women either... only men... And from what I've read its suppose to be a better orgasm then through straight sex... So please explain... Why do men have the ability to orgasm from anal sex???

Originally posted by Eis
You did? Wow.. what was it like? "Mom, Dad, I'm straight."
Did you also feel sexually attracted to members of the opposite time when you were 3?

Actually strike that..it happened at the age of around 12..I don't remember what happened..but for some odd reason..I was just attracted to girls...😉

Originally posted by Eis
So you think that you can force yourself to want to have sex with a 70 year old fat man?

Why not..people condition themselves to be attracted to things far more perverse. ie bestiality, necrophilia, paedophilia, etc....do you think people are born being attracted to these sexual behaviors as well?

Originally posted by Eis
Natural according to who? Oh yes, god.

And biology...

Vaginal sex = possibility of procreation.

Anal sex = possibility of hemorrhoids.

Actually strike that..it happened at the age of around 12..I don't remember what happened..but for some odd reason..I was just attracted to girls...

Why not..people condition themselves to be attracted to things far more perverse. ie bestiality, necrophilia, paedophilia, etc....do you think people are born being attracted to these sexual behaviors as well?

And biology...

Vaginal sex = possibility of procreation.

Anal sex = possibility of hemorrhoids.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Actually strike that..it happened at the age of around 12..I don't remember what happened..but for some odd reason..I was just attracted to girls...😉

yeah, i can see how the ages of 3 and 12 can be confused.

noted and striken. 🙄

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Why do men have the ability to orgasm from anal sex???

taken from wiki...

def rectum:

The rectum ampulla acts as a temporary storage facility for feces.

As the rectal walls expand due to the materials filling it from within, stretch receptors from the nervous system located in the rectal walls stimulate the desire to defecate. If the urge is not acted upon, the material in the rectum is often returned to the colon where more water is absorbed. If defecation is delayed for a prolonged period constipation and hardened feces results.

When the rectum is full the increase in intrarectal pressure forces the walls of the anal canal apart allowing the fecal matter to enter the canal. The rectum shortens as material is forced into the anal canal and peristaltic waves propel the feces out of the rectum. The internal and external sphincter allow the feces to be passed by muscles pulling the anus up over the exiting feces.

continued..

Health risks involving anal sex...

Anal penetration carries some risks which vaginal intercourse, oral sex, and "outercourse" do not. These are mostly due to two factors:

The rectum and large intestine, unlike the vagina, do not contain their own lubricating mechanism, which means friction or insertion damage can happen more easily. Also, the tissues in these areas are particularly delicate and susceptible to tearing, and the intestine as a whole twists and is much less strongly muscled and padded, which means physical injury is somewhat easier too.

Part of the rectum's function is to absorb fluid into the blood stream, so it has strong blood circulation and is an easy barrier to cross if there is even a small tear in the intestinal lining; therefore infections can be transmitted easily.

Yeah..from reading the wiki definitions above biology tells us that the rectum was obviously "designed" to have things inserted into it in order to stimulate the prostate gland..🙄

Your silly argument has been shot down on so many levels man..seriously bud..at this point, you might as well stop with repeating it.

I'm not debating that its primary function is for disposing of fecal material. I'm asking why we have a prostate gland with this function...

Your inability to answer only shows that you don't want to confront the fact that god wouldn't of designed it unless he intended it to be used, OR we evolved it...

Nice try Whob... But maybe the bible doesn't have all the answers??? 😆

Whob: right after your quotes of the danger of anal sex, Wikipedia said:

These risks can be mitigated by the use of personal lubricant and condoms

Also, let's not forget that Wikipedia is often times not the best resource. Opinions are just like assholes, and everyones got them...that kind of thing... Given the number of contributors to Wikipedia, I'm sure that it has been infiltrated by a number of people who think on both sides of the issue. Which, I can only assume is the reason you use it all the time Whob. Because it's a simple matter of picking the information that supports only your side of the issue.

But, it's understandable that you know about neither of these things, since you have never had sex.

Since you don't have sex, do you masturbate?

Originally posted by whobdamandog
😆

So basically what you're saying is that sexual orientation has nothing to do with sexual behavior? LMFAO

Sexual orientation is the sexual attraction to a gender. You're making this thread about sexual behavior. Which is not the issue. Once again, most homosexuals don't have anal sex. You're blatantly ignoring the lesbians which makes your arguement crash down like a pile of bricks.

The question is:

Is homosexuality, the sexual attraction to one's own gender, a conscious choice or a biological component.

NOT:

is anal sex natural?

Is homosexuality natural?

Is homosexuality a sin?

That's not the issue. We are not arguing the validity, whether benign or maligant, of homosexuality. That's an entirely different subject.

Choice or Biological?

THAT's the issue.

If you want to argue the invalidity or how unnatural anal sex is, than argue on another thread or make your own. You're just wasting our time.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
FYI I don't know of too many male homosexuals who engage in vaginal intercourse, or who are "attracted" to it..😉

FYI. Female homosexuals do not engage in anal sex. In fact they engage in vaginal sex. By your rights, lesbians are natural because they don't engage in anal intercourse.

Many male homosexuals are just as disgusted with anal sex as you are and prefer to only engage in frottage or oral sex.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
If a man is "sexually oriented" towards having sex with men, he will likely be "attracted" to having "anal sex" with men...😉

You cannot be sexually attracted to sexual behavior. You are sexually attracted to certain people in specific gender.

I have no idea where you got the idea that humans are solely attracted to sexual behavior.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Of course I've been told on this forum that "homosexual males" don't engage in "anal sex" that much..apparently they're fairly virginal. Most of them just like to hold each other at night and cuddle..😆

Some do. Some prefer only oral. Some only prefer frottage. Again, you're dismissing the lesbians. This thread is not solely based on male homosexuality but homosexuality as a whole. Which includes women.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
God didn't design men to get aroused from these types of things. A lot of people are just perverted, and unfortunately..like to rationalize why "everything" that makes them feel good is okay to do.

Anyway..as I've stated countless times, people get "sexually" turned on from all types of things. Many men can get aroused, from sticking their penis's in a coke bottle...😉 Does that mean that God designed the penis to be stuck inside a coke bottle?🙄

You ever been constipated? Or does it hurt when a big piece of sh*t is coming out of ya? Most people feel "pain" when large objects are passing through their rectums...😉

And call me crazy, but I don't think the lining of the large intestine lubricates itself during "sexual" arousal, to make it easier to insert objects in it..or does it? You tell me bud..🙄

Or better yet..go get a colonoscopy. I can guarantee you, that unless you're a bit on the perverted side, it probably won't arouse you...😉

Seriously bud..you're argument is sounding a bit silly at this point. From a biological perspective, the anus obviously wasn't meant for sexual intercourse, despite what many of those who have conditioned themselves to liking such perverted behavior will tell you.

Again. You're not focusing on the issue. You saying that anal sex is not a natural sexual behavior and it is not a viable mode for procreation. And NOONE is arguing against that. Of course anal sex is not meant for procreation and is biologically unnatural.

Which is completely off topic. The question, once again, is homosexuality a choice or biologically determined?

If you want to make yourself a viable participant in this debate than argue whether or not homosexuality is a choice or biological.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
taken from wiki...

continued..

Yeah..from reading the wiki definitions above biology tells us that the rectum was obviously "designed" to have things inserted into it in order to stimulate the prostate gland..🙄

Your silly argument has been shot down on so many levels man..seriously bud..at this point, you might as well stop with repeating it.

Again. We are NOT arguing that anal sex is:

A) biological natural

B) A viable mode for procreation

Noone is arguing this. You're debating against an invisible opponent. Capt. Fantastic isn't saying anal sex is biologically natural. Neither is Hit and Miss. Neither am I. Anal sex is not biologically natural anymore than oral sex or frottage is. Humanity is meant to procreate.

But the issue here is:

Is homosexuality, whether for worse or for good, a conscious, rationalized choice or a biologicallly determined component.

Notice the quote "whether for worse or for good". Hint, hint. Instead of arguing against an invisible opponent that anal sex is not natural you could argue for the "worse" side.

Am I getting through here? 🙁

Originally posted by whobdamandog
God didn't design men to get aroused from these types of things. A lot of people are just perverted, and unfortunately..like to rationalize why "everything" that makes them feel good is okay to do.

Anyway..as I've stated countless times, people get "sexually" turned on from all types of things. Many men can get aroused, from sticking their penis's in a coke bottle...😉 Does that mean that God designed the penis to be stuck inside a coke bottle?🙄

You ever been constipated? Or does it hurt when a big piece of sh*t is coming out of ya? Most people feel "pain" when large objects are passing through their rectums...😉

And call me crazy, but I don't think the lining of the large intestine lubricates itself during "sexual" arousal, to make it easier to insert objects in it..or does it? You tell me bud..🙄

Or better yet..go get a colonoscopy. I can guarantee you, that unless you're a bit on the perverted side, it probably won't arouse you...😉

Seriously bud..you're argument is sounding a bit silly at this point. From a biological perspective, the anus obviously wasn't meant for sexual intercourse, despite what many of those who have conditioned themselves to liking such perverted behavior will tell you.

About the Colonoscopy part. When you receive one of those, they put you to sleep, so you wouldn't be able to be aroused by that.

Be informed and don't misinform.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by Draco69
Sexual orientation is the sexual attraction to a gender.

😆

Draco do you even know what sexual means?

Let's cover sexual orientation first..I've included a definition that will actually support your "genetic" argument..so you don't have to claim me as being biased.

def: sexual orientation:

The direction of one's sexual interest toward members of the same, opposite, or both sexes, especially a direction seen to be dictated by physiologic rather than sociologic forces. Replaces sexual preference in most contemporary uses.

def sexual:

Of, relating to, involving, or characteristic of sex, sexuality, the sexes, or the sex organs and their functions.

Of course one's sexual orientation has to do with the the sexual acts and behaviors that one is attracted to ya nimwad..😆

If you are attracted to having sex with a male, then you are going to be attracted to certain types of "sexual behaviors" that one engages in when having intercourse with a male. From what I've been told, anal sex is usually one of those behaviors...😉

Hell..since you all are so keen on wiki definitions, I believe even wiki mentioned that over 80% of homosexual males engage in this type of intercourse. Seriously bud..you're just speaking gibberish at this point, hang it up on this one.

Originally posted by Draco69
The question is:

Is homosexuality, the sexual attraction to one's own gender, a conscious choice or a biological component.

NOT:

is anal sex natural?

Is homosexuality natural?

Is homosexuality a sin?

That's not the issue. We are not arguing the validity, whether benign or maligant, of homosexuality. That's an entirely different subject.

Choice or Biological?

We're arguing if homosexuality is genetic or a choice. You all have alluded to it being genetic..due to the existence of psuedo-homosexual behavior in "nature." I've pointed out that the "natural" biological functions of various organs, are not meant to be used for sexual intercourse, and that individuals who are "attracted" to biologically unnatural sexual behaviors, make a conscience choice to engage in them.

With that being stated..please tell me how describing the natural biological functions of various body parts, does not relate to the "biological" argument of homosexuality..🙄

You've lost me there Draco.

Originally posted by Draco69
FYI. Female homosexuals do not engage in anal sex. In fact they engage in vaginal sex. By your rights, lesbians are natural because they don't engage in anal intercourse.

Actually many of them do..you have heard of strap-ons haven't you? 😆

Anyway..I think you've missed the whole ball on the "procreation" argument. You can stick tons of things up the vagina, but guess what..if those things don't allow for the possibility of procreation..then the act of vaginal intercourse being performed is not a "natural one"...duhh...🙄

You're killing me with your logical arguments bud...😆

Originally posted by Draco69
Many male homosexuals are just as disgusted with anal sex as you are and prefer to only engage in frottage or oral sex.

Yeah and according to wiki..that "many" wouldn't include 80% percent of the homosexual population...🙄

Originally posted by Draco69
You cannot be sexually attracted to sexual behavior. You are sexually attracted to certain people in specific gender.

I have no idea where you got the idea that humans are solely attracted to sexual behavior.

LOL..you just get more absurd with these posts Draco..the key word in the sentence above is "sexual"...refer back to the definition of "sexual" above to see how illogical your opinion is.

Originally posted by Draco69
Some do. Some prefer only oral. Some only prefer frottage. Again, you're dismissing the lesbians. This thread is not solely based on male homosexuality but homosexuality as a whole. Which includes women.

You must have not read a whole lot of my posts..I've actually addressed the absurdity of women calling themselves lesbians, and then engaging in sex with women who look like men, using plastic replicas of the penis.

Again..if lesbians are attracted only to women..what's with all the dildo toys and many of them dressing up/acting like men.

Sigh..Yet another "intelligent" individual who has failed with their argument..but what the hey..once again, I've managed to get another good laugh..😆

fin

Originally posted by whobdamandog

Draco do you even know what sexual means?

Many, many means to the word.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Let's cover sexual orientation first..I've included a definition that will actually support your "genetic" argument..so you don't have to claim me as being biased.

I'm more in the nature AND nurture park. I believe environment and biology plays a part in everything. However I do not believe a person can make a conscious decision to choose who they are sexually attracted to. It's just not possible.

As for being biased, I think you've already proven you have a tremendous bias for anything that has to do with homosexuals, the evolutionary theory, creationism or religion at large. I also think you fail to acknowledge the opinions of others because they do not match the framework of your own.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Of course one's sexual orientation has to do with the the [b]sexual acts and behaviors that one is attracted to ya nimwad..😆 [/B]

First off, don't call me a "nimwad". Not very Christian of you. I'm being an extremely patient and nice guy but you're acting juvenile. Do not call me anything derogatory as I have not done the same to you. Need I remind you have insulted others countless times including moderators themselves. You have not one, not two but no less than FIVE moderators who clearly have their eyes on you. Whether you're being rebellious or you just don't care doesn't concern me. But I would hope you wouldn't be rash enough to have a moderator ban you. And there are several would love to do nothing but that.

As for your argument, you say that a person is attracted to person because they practice the preferred sexual acts and behavior of your sexual orientation. This is enormously flawed. Are attracted to Anna Nicole Smith because she participates in vaginal sex? Or Martha Stewart? Or god help us Joan Rivers? I doubt it.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
If you are attracted to having sex with a male, then you are going to be attracted to certain types of "sexual behaviors" that one engages in when having intercourse with a male. From what I've been told, anal sex is usually one of those behaviors...😉

Again. You're have this warped perception that a homosexual man that participates in anal sex automatically is attracted to the another man that does the same. Are homosexual men attracted to Michael Jackson because he "allegedly" participates in anal sex? I doubt it.

And your above comment is superfluous and unnecessary because it has nothing to do with the topic.

Is it so hard? You're arguing something completely outside the topic. I want to hear from your side. Is homosexuality a choice or a biological component? You seem to refuse to address this point. This is an opportunity to argue your side of the ORIGINS of homosexuality whether through choice or biology. It's really that simple. Just choose a side. You can even choose biology. Say it's genetic defect or a virus or something. Be creative.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Hell..since you all are so keen on wiki definitions, I believe even wiki mentioned that over 80% of homosexual males engage in this type of intercourse. Seriously bud..you're just speaking gibberish at this point, hang it up on this one.

The only gibberish I have said is that many homosexuals, male and FEMALE, do not participate in anal sex. And by full quantity MOST homosexuals do not participate in anal sex.

Your source says 80% of homosexual males participate in anal sex. Fine, let's go with that. Well, lesbians are say 50% of the homosexual participation and they don't participate in anal sex. Your source says that 20% do not participate in anal sex. Add them together and 70% of homosexuals do not participate in anal sex. Thank you for proving my point.

Again. What does any of this have to do with the topic? You're refusing to say it's a choice or it's biology. You're just focused on the sexual behavior that some, not all homosexuals practice. It's not helpful to either side of the argument.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
We're arguing if homosexuality is genetic or a choice. You all have alluded to it being genetic..due to the existence of psuedo-homosexual behavior in "nature."

Thank you. Finally. Let's focus on this. Forget the right/wrong, unnatural/natural of anal sex. Let's focus on this. Because it's the topic of the thread.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
I've pointed out that the "natural" biological functions of various organs, are not meant to be used for sexual intercourse,

We are not arguing that anal sex is a viable biological function. No here is saying that. I repeat, noone here is saying that.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
and that individuals who are "attracted" to biologically unnatural sexual behaviors, make a conscience choice to engage in them.

Okay. You're saying a person can be "attracted" to biologically unnatural sexual behavior thus it is a choice.

This is not rational. Many heterosexuals participate in anal sex. Particularly teenagers. They are homosexual? Lesbians do not participate in anal sex. They are not homosexual? Gay male teenagers who have not participated in any sexual activity. They are not homosexual?

You're not making sense. Your entire argument rests on the fact that a person is homosexual only if only they participate in anal sex. Anyone who participates in anal sex and chooses to is a homosexual. Which in the real world is simply not true and quite simply doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
With that being stated..please tell me how describing the natural biological functions of various body parts, does not relate to the "biological" argument of homosexuality..🙄

Here is another key flaw. You're assuming biological or natural is "right" or "meant to happen". There are a great many things in nature and biology that are meant to happen...but don't. And even greater things that are not meant to happen...but do. I am throwing an enormous hint at here where you could focus your argument and actually remain viable.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Actually many of them do..you have heard of strap-ons haven't you?

A small minority may. I won't deny that. Humans have done everything in the ways of sexual behavior. But an overwhelming majority don't. They prefer to do it vaginally through as you say strap-ons or orally.

You're saying lesbians are homosexuals because a small minority of them practice anal sex? You're justifying your "anybody who likes anal sex is homosexual" argument on this? No. It's completely false.