Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I remember seeing a show about a male who was born with a Micro-penis...(exactly what it sounds like...) The doctors thought that if he was brought up as a girl he would accept he was one... and thus gave him a sex change operation... The dude spent his entire child hood as a tom boy... He never accepted it... At the age of 20ish he got a sex change back....

I remember seeing something like that...

I just read about a woman who was born with both female and male body parts, and she isn't attracted to eithor sex, she doesn't know what she is. 🙁

*edit* to save face....

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
without either??? Then why was she called a she???
and how did she go to the toilet???

Originally posted by StyleTime
She said "with" man. lol

Lol...I need coffee! How did I miss read that!

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
without either??? Then why was she called a she???
and how did she go to the toilet???

She was female on the outside but male on the inside. She had a vagina, her scrotum was inside her, she had ovaries and testes for sperm. But she was female on the outside, so I guess she went to the toliet like women do.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
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If you want to have anal sex with guys, so be it..but stop making up excuses to justify the lifestyle and sexual behaviors that you choose to engage in.

The copyright date of a work incorporating previously published material may reference the date of publication or the most recent date of the copyright term.

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Originally posted by Atlantis001
This all happens because sex, and now homosexuality has too much influence over our society, and it is too hard to accept homosexuality as a cultural human created thing. Then everyone wants it to be natural so that it feels right, but remember that this dicussion is about if homosexuality is natural or unnatural, not if it is right or wrong. Its common to see people trying to make their cultural beliefs accepted, but they are still cultural beliefs, not a physical reality. If think that homosexuality is right, then just say it, you don´t need to make it seem natural first.

Indeed.

It is a culturaly created thing.

An excellent post.

*goes off to find a set of identical twins who are gay and straight, got that way throught environmental factors, and tell them they are an anamoly, and were really both "born" gay. *

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The copyright date of a work incorporating previously published material may reference the date of publication or the most recent date of the copyright term.

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So in other words..the definition is still recent, accurate, and valid, seeing as how it was just recently copyrighted, and has recently been added to an on-line medical search engine, which has recently been deemed a very popular search engine, and recently been used by numerous amounts of medical professionals at their practices, and numerous amounts of college students attempting to earn their PHD's...🙄 😆

So I'm assuming at this point, we can both agree that sexual orientation can indeed be defined by sexual behavior?

Let me guess your next response, you are going to make something else up to take away from the fact that your arguments have been thoroughly defeated. I have an idea..perhaps you can use your vast knowledge of copyright law, to counter the validity of the reference which has been given above. Or perhaps you can now tell me that the definition given above was not given from an authoritative source, and that medical definitions are "lexical" in nature.

Thrill me bud..I could definitely use a few more laughs..😆

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Let me guess your next response, you are going to make something else up to take away from the fact that your arguments have been thoroughly defeated.

Your arguements have been defeated, you mean...

Originally posted by whobdamandog
So in other words..the definition is still recent, accurate, and valid, seeing as how it was just recently copyrighted, and has recently been added to an on-line medical search engine, which has recently been deemed a very popular search engine, and recently been used by numerous amounts of medical professionals at their practices, and numerous amounts of college students attempting to earn their PHD's...🙄 😆

So I'm assuming at this point, we can both agree that sexual orientation can indeed be defined by sexual behavior?

Let me guess your next response, you are going to make something else up to take away from the fact that your arguments have been thoroughly defeated. I have an idea..perhaps you can use your vast knowledge of copyright law, to counter the validity of the reference which has been given above. Or perhaps you can now tell me that the definition given above was not given from an authoritative source, and that medical definitions are "lexical" in nature.

Thrill me bud..I could definitely use a few more laughs..😆

The copyright date in question is in reference to the most recent date of the copyright term, not the most recent edition of the work.

In other words, the Merriam-Webster reference works that are available online are not the most recent editions of Merriam-Webster reference works.

Moreover, what of the several definitions that have been posted that define "sexual orientation" differently than the single definition that you have posted?

By all means, explain why the single definition you have posted is correct, and the several other definitions that have been posted are wrong.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Indeed.

It [B] is a culturaly created thing.

An excellent post.

*goes off to find a set of identical twins who are gay and straight, got that way throught environmental factors, and tell them they are an anamoly, and were really both "born" gay. * [/B]

If homosexuality is a culturally created phenomena, then how do you explain the fact that homosexuality occurs in a consistent percentage of the population across cultures regardless of the social mores and values of a culture?

Furthermore, I am still waiting for you to explain the fact that homosexuals are biologically different from heterosexuals, i.e. the brain structure, inner-ear, and fingerprints of homosexuals are different than those of heterosexuals, and that homosexuals are genetically different from heterosexuals, i.e. homosexuals share a genetic marker and stretches of DNA that are not shared by heterosexuals if homosexuality is not genetic.

I wonder if my genetic make is different?

Originally posted by Makedde
She was female on the outside but male on the inside. She had a vagina, her scrotum was inside her, she had ovaries and testes for sperm. But she was female on the outside, so I guess she went to the toliet like women do.

Gross 😘

Originally posted by K.Diddy
Gross 😘

Originally posted by whobdamandog
numerous amounts of medical professionals

we can both agree that sexual orientation can indeed be defined by sexual behavior?

been thoroughly defeated.

Numerous amounts of medical professionals? I think not. These arguments are unfounded. It's simply too bad that many of the "medical professionals" with whom I am familiar do not think as you do. Both straight and gay. I think if a medical professional is looking for his definitions on the internet, he will likely not graduate medical school. Try sleeping with a few "medical professionals", it makes all the difference in teh world. I would venture that Wake Medical is a more valid source than is "Whob's tent of medical oddities"

Sexual orientation CAN NOT be defined by sexual action. This has not been stated by anyone...save yourself. And your own dilluted point of view is the entire basis for your argument. But, we are all more than aware of your ability to turn your own POV into the basis for your argument, flawed as it may be.

"Been thorougly defeated"? By whom? It certainly isn't you. All you do is verbally masturbate your point of view. Even the definitions you provide are out of context and irrelevant. When you are asked a question, try answering it directly. Then, and only then, will a legitimate debate ensue. Or, have you forgoten that everyone can see your lies and innuendo on a public forum?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Sexual orientation CAN NOT be defined by sexual action.

Indeed, I am curious how one could define sexual orientation by sexual behavior when homosexuals do not engage in any sexual behaviors that heterosexuals do not engage in also.

If heterosexuality is defined by vaginal intercourse, then lesbians are heterosexual. Likewise, if homosexuality is defined by anal intercourse, then many heterosexuals are homosexual. Preposterous.

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Indeed, I am curious how one could define sexual orientation by sexual behavior when homosexuals do not engage in any sexual behaviors that heterosexuals do not engage in also.

If heterosexuality is defined by vaginal intercourse, then lesbians are heterosexual. Likewise, if homosexuality is defined by anal intercourse, then many heterosexuals are homosexual. Preposterous.

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While you are right, I hate it when we post right after one another. It makes people think we are a sock.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
i.e. homosexuals share a genetic marker and stretches of DNA that are not shared by heterosexuals if homosexuality is not genetic.

I'm interested to read up on this!, alas I can't find any pages... Could you supply one please...

Could they not create a gay test??? so we could finaly find out just how repressed whob is???

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I'm interested to read up on this!, alas I can't find any pages... Could you supply one please...

Could they not create a gay test??? so we could finaly find out just how repressed whob is???

Dean Hamer at the National Cancer Institute examined the DNA of 40 homosexuals and found that ALL shared a genetic marker in the Xq28 region of the X chromosome.

Camperio-Ciani of the University of Padua - Italy found that there is no single "gay gene" but rather several genes responsible for sexual orientation. She identified that genetic components are indeed linked to the X chromosome and that there are other components likely to be on other chromosomes as well.

Findings published in the March issue of the biomedical journal Human Genetics by Brian Mutanksi of the University of Illinois at Chicago in conjunction with Pennsylvania State University, the University of California - Los Angeles, the University of California - San Diego, the National Institutes of Health, and the National Science Foundation report, after combing the entire human genome for genetic determinants of male sexual orientation, identifying them in stretches of DNA on chromosomes 7, 8, and 10.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic

Sexual orientation CAN NOT be defined by sexual action. This has not been stated by anyone...save yourself.

Originally posted by Adam Poe

Indeed, I am curious how one could define sexual orientation by sexual behavior..

Ask and ye shall receive..

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