Originally posted by Regret
Proper contingent consequences for hetero and homo sexual behaviors. Aversive consequences for hetero behavior and reinforcing consequences for homo behavior. There is not one cookbook treatment ever in behavior analysis, the subject is the control.
That sounds more like you could be coerced into having "gay sex", not genuinely finding men sexually attractive. If someone put a gun to my child's head and said "either you have sex with 'that man' or your child dies", you can bet that 10 out of 10 times I will have sex with 'the man'. But what that will not do is change what I do and do not find sexually attractive.
In laymen terms, it will not make me be aroused by the sight of penis where I was once aroused by the sight of vagina. Would you agree with this if applied to your sexuality?
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomLol, I do not know. I would assume the lack of orgasm or pleasure in the presence of hetero responses and such present when homosexual responses occur. People often have odd understanding of punishment and reinforcement, if it increases the probability of a response it is reinforcing, if it decreases probability it is punishing, Electric shock could be aversive, cookies could be reinforcing. Would cookies and electric shock result in altered sexuality, I doubt it.
Like electric shocks, and cookies?
Originally posted by Regret
Proper contingent consequences for hetero and homo sexual behaviors. Aversive consequences for hetero behavior and reinforcing consequences for homo behavior. There is not one cookbook treatment ever in behavior analysis, the subject is the control.
I like how that sounds really smart and well informed, but it's not. There are five thousand posts in this thread. All the crap you're spewing is just evidence that you haven't read this thread, nor do you have any intention of doing so. And that's not to say that somewhere in the last couple of hundred pages there's proof that it isn't a learned or taught behavior. It's not there. But you keep repeating yourself. And you can't honestly think that everything you're saying hasn't been addressed and put to rest in the last 200 pages. You're not that clever. Which means that your only real purpose in babbling is to irritate and insult people.
But I like how your argument now is that you can learn to be gay, but YOU can't learn to be gay because you're too old to change your ways. That's original.
Originally posted by RobtardCoercive means would not work, locus of control aspects describe this phenomena even if they extend the studies past the observable into the mentalist. If I enjoy homosexual acts and do not enjoy heterosexual acts as much, the preference will shift eventually, and if the shift is not sudden the shift could become permanent. Orgasm is a bodily experience that provides neurotransmitters that are perceived as enjoyable regardless of the context, it would be very difficult to change this perception. Thus orgasm is intrinsically reinforcing, and on a significant level.
That sounds more like you could be coerced into having "gay sex", not genuinely finding men sexually attractive. If someone put a gun to my child's head and said "either you have sex with 'that man' or your child dies", you can bet that 10 out of 10 times I will have sex with 'the man'. But what that will not do is change what I do and do not find sexually attractive.In laymen terms, it will not make me be aroused by the sight of penis where I was once aroused by the sight of vagina. Would you agree with this if applied to your sexuality?
Originally posted by Regret
Coercive means would not work, locus of control aspects describe this phenomena even if they extend the studies past the observable into the mentalist. If I enjoy homosexual acts and do not enjoy heterosexual acts as much, the preference will shift eventually, and if the shift is not sudden the shift could become permanent. Orgasm is a bodily experience that provides neurotransmitters that are perceived as enjoyable regardless of the context, it would be very difficult to change this perception. Thus orgasm is intrinsically reinforcing, and on a significant level.
"If I enjoy homosexual acts and do not enjoy heterosexual acts as much"... What makes you enjoy sex with a woman? Were you taught to enjoy sex with a woman or where you born to enjoy sex with a woman?
Originally posted by Capt_FantasticSpout all the crap you will, the evidence is not present, and the fully explored subject results in the APA's statement:
I like how that sounds really smart and well informed, but it's not. There are five thousand posts in this thread. All the crap you're spewing is just evidence that you haven't read this thread, nor do you have any intention of doing so. And that's not to say that somewhere in the last couple of hundred pages there's proof that it isn't a learned or taught behavior. It's not there. But you keep repeating yourself. And you can't honestly think that everything you're saying hasn't been addressed and put to rest in the last 200 pages. You're not that clever. Which means that your only real purpose in babbling is to irritate and insult people.But I like how your argument now is that you can learn to be gay, but YOU can't learn to be gay because you're too old to change your ways. That's original.
"...sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors."
Professionals have and are studying the topic, evidence presented here is irrelevant, currently the overall proper stance is the statement above. So, no, I have not read the entire thread, nor do I intend to.
I entered this thread because Urizen approached me with your post through PM, and I believed it best to allow you access to my response. I am partially discussing this because there are some here, yourself included, that claim something that is currently untrue and cite various aspects of my professional vocation to support your false claims. I do, for a fact, continue to post because people respond to my posts contradicting or attacking my statements, and somehow this has a reinforcing effect on me.
Originally posted by RobtardI would assume I was genetically predisposed to heterosexuality, which was then reinforced through sexual and romantic pleasure in the presence of females, and orgasm, which is orientation neutral, was a strong reinforcer.
"If I enjoy homosexual acts and do not enjoy heterosexual acts as much"... What makes you enjoy sex with a woman? Were you taught to enjoy sex with a woman or where you born to enjoy sex with a woman?
Originally posted by RegretSo prior to any sexual pleasure in the presence of females you weren't already sexually attracted to females?
I would assume I was genetically predisposed to heterosexuality, which was then reinforced through sexual and romantic pleasure in the presence of females, and orgasm, which is orientation neutral, was a strong reinforcer.
Sexual preference at it's most basic is an attraction to one (or both) gender(s).
Thank you for reinforcing my negative perception of psychologists, though btw.
Originally posted by Regret
I would assume I was genetically predisposed to heterosexuality, which was then reinforced through sexual and romantic pleasure in the presence of females, and orgasm, which is orientation neutral, was a strong reinforcer.
You think? I happen to not have had romantic pleasure with women, but I am rather very, very sure that I want to. Explanation!
Originally posted by Bardock42There's no such thing as hetrosexual and homosexual. We all want to **** eachother, but some things can affect our preferences.
You think? I happen to not have had romantic pleasure with women, but I am rather very, very sure that I want to. Explanation!
Disclaimer: This is a guess.