Originally posted by Robtardare you pretending to be straight again?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the experiment, I just lack the faith (and the mind-powers it seems) to be the guinea pig and will my sexuallity any which way I desire.Now that's just being mean and vindictive for the sake of being mean and vindictive.
Originally posted by Robtard
Now that's just being mean and vindictive for the sake of being mean and vindictive.
Not at all. I'm all for the experiment. But on the other hand, I find it irritating when straight people go to a gay club. Most especially when they say they're there "because the music is better" or because "they just wanted to see what it was like".
Like when a gay bar in teh middle of the Castro has straight bartenders. They say they "do it for the money". Well, that sounds like prostitution to me.
Originally posted by Devil King
Not at all. I'm all for the experiment. But on the other hand, I find it irritating when straight people go to a gay club. Most especially when they say they're there "because the music is better" or because "they just wanted to see what it was like".Like when a gay bar in teh middle of the Castro has straight bartenders. They say they "do it for the money". Well, that sounds like prostitution to me.
You sexual-orientationist pig! So we're not good enough for you now? I've only ever been, because gay friends wanting to go; it's only fair, as they've tagged along to "regular" clubs. Ever been to the Lexington? A gay co-worker keeps wanting to take several of us there.
Originally posted by Devil King
Then I doubt we'll have faster-than-light travel any time soon.
Don't be so quick to lose faith, just because I lack the powers, doesn't mean someone else doesn't have them.
Originally posted by Devil King
[1]So, you think that because the human mind is working on, and may eventually break, the speed of light, that people choose to be gay without realizing it?[2]Nope. He doesn't believe the choice is a conscious one, apparently.
[3]What possible reason could you have for [b]NOT
wanting to be a homosexual? If there is nothing wrong with it, despite it being a choice, conscious or otherwise, ignoring the social stigma, bowing to the PC which that forces one to say "there's nothing wrong with it, I just don't wanna", what's the problem?[4]How can you give up, when you haven't even tried? [/B]
1. That was a weird way to put that. No, I am totally convinced that I have been wrong about everything that everyone was disagreeing with me about. I don't think anyone has a choice now.
2. I believed it was both a conscious and subconscious decision.
3. I don't want to be gay because of the social stigma, mainly, and because I wanted to have children and raise my children with a mom and a dad, not a dad and a dad. I am also a Christian. This is all an aside from the fact that I find men to be gross when viewed as sexual entities.
4. I will never try to be gay. Ever. I don't want to be gay and there is no net benefit to being gay for me.
Robtard, my "script"[s] are not going too well. This may come as a surprise but I am not physically writing any of the scripts and I never have. I have, so far, written all three of them in my head.
one is a horror script. (this is my masterpiece.)
one is a chick flick (which will technically end as a horror...but it will be "chick flick" that the vast majority of it.)
one is a documentary about the obesity epidemic in America. (Rather, the plans for the documentary and what points I want to cover, how I want to cover those points, etc.)
This morning in the shower, I was thinking about doing another documentary on homosexuality because of the conversation here on this message board. I would really really like to get a lot of interviews on screen and a lot of statistics gathered.
Thanks for asking.
Originally posted by dadudemon
1. That was a weird way to put that. No, I am totally convinced that I have been wrong about everything that everyone was disagreeing with me about. I don't think anyone has a choice now.2. I believed it was both a conscious and subconscious decision.
3. I don't want to be gay because of the social stigma, mainly, and because I wanted to have children and raise my children with a mom and a dad, not a dad and a dad. I am also a Christian. This is all an aside from the fact that I find men to be gross when viewed as sexual entities.
4. I will never try to be gay. Ever. I don't want to be gay and there is no net benefit to being gay for me.
1. If it was a weird way of putting it, you have no one to blame for it's outlandishness but the person who thought it up.
2. How so?
3. Mainly? Are you serious? You don't want to be gay mainly because of the social stigma? How can one realize this and then say it's a choice made by any other rational human being?
4. I will never try to be gay, either. I never have.
Originally posted by dadudemon
3. I don't want to be gay because of the social stigma, mainly, and because I wanted to have children and raise my children with a mom and a dad, not a dad and a dad. I am also a Christian. This is all an aside from the fact that I find men to be gross when viewed as sexual entities.
You do realize that once you "gayed" yourself, you'd be gay and those viewpoints would no longer apply?
Originally posted by Devil King
1. If it was a weird way of putting it, you have no one to blame for it's outlandishness but the person who thought it up.2. How so?
3. Mainly? Are you serious? You don't want to be gay mainly because of the social stigma? How can one realize this and then say it's a choice made by any other rational human being?
4. I will never try to be gay, either. I never have.
1. I understood what you were trying to do...but it didn't come out making very much sense the way you worded, imo. That was my point. But wait, it isn't you, its me, because I miss everything, remember?
2. I don't believe it anymore. I fail.
3. Mainly? No. I thought so until you put it that way. The real reason is I am not sexually attracted to men. Cock and balls just don't do it for me.
4. If you were born gay, you would never have to try. I wasn't born gay, so I would have to try to be gay if I was going to try to become gay. DUH!!!! 😛
Also, how do you know you don't want to go to the club without me? I could be a lot of fun. It is always serious business on these boards.
Originally posted by Robtard
You do realize that once you "gayed" yourself, you'd be gay and those viewpoints would no longer apply?
I had a dream several weeks ago about you replying with something like that. So weird.
Originally posted by dadudemon
1. I understood what you were trying to do...but it didn't come out making very much sense the way you worded, imo. That was my point. But wait, it isn't you, its me, because I miss everything, remember?2. I don't believe it anymore. I fail.
3. Mainly? No. I thought so until you put it that way. The real reason is I am not sexually attracted to men. Cock and balls just don't do it for me.
4. If you were born gay, you would never have to try. I wasn't born gay, so I would have to try to be gay if I was going to try to become gay. DUH!!!! 😛
Also, how do you know you don't want to go to the club without me? I could be a lot of fun. It is always serious business on these boards.
1. I wasn't trying to do anything. It was your point. If I misunderstood what you were saying, I'm all for clearification.
2. But I assume you remember what your point was, from an hour ago. I understand you feel piled-up on, but that's no reason for you to give in, nor do I think you have.
3. I like cock and balls, mainly my own. The other guy's cock and balls are of little importance to me, other than the fact they were born with them. If cock and balls was all there was to it, I could understand someone calling it a choice and actually believing it, because homosexuality would be all about cock and balls. But it isn't, as has been stated numerous times and in numerous ways, in this very thread.
4. But, no one is born gay. They choose it at some point in their lives. No? And if I can do it, with a little effort, you can too.
It is rarely serious buisness on these boards. And it isn't a matter of going to the club with you, personally. It's a matter of going to the club with any straight guys. They've been telling us for years to keep it zipped up around them, we do, and then I run into them at the gay club with their "girlfriend". Any straight man that thinks they have the right to walk into a gay club and judge the gay people in it, for being gay, are idiots. Add to that the fact that the straight people working there are doing it for teh money brought to them by the attention they recieve from gay men, which i consider to be a form of prostitution.
But, all in all, this line of conversation has brought us back to the point we were all discussing earlier in the thread: that some people are born gay, while others are just doing it for the attention and a position in a sub-culture with which they wish to identify.
and that's what happens in this thread. It's a totally cyclical conversation that reaches no conclusions and changes no one's opinion regarding the question at hand, which is homosexuality the result of genetics or a choice or natal hormone exposure, etc.
My first post in this thread:
Originally posted by Devil King
I think the biggest issue in the question posed is a matter of validity. People want to know what others think about the subject so that they can form their own opinion on the matter..or validate it to themselves. This is the way I see the question really being formulated in someone's head: "Is homosexuality something these freaks picked up because they're different and should be frowned upon for somehow "seeking" out this heddonistic lifestyle....OR..were the poor diluted souls born that way and simply can't help where they stick their dicks?"...which leads to the much more sympathetic disgust known as begrudged pity.In either case, I wonder why it matters? If I am gay because I am genetically hard-wired to be gay, or whether I'm gay because I chose to be, isn't relevant. I simply am. I'm gay, and there's nothing that the good lord Jesus, the lord of darkness Satan, George W Bush, Firey Eyes, Adolf Hitler, Ghandi or John Kerry can do about it. It is a fact. And unless we are going back to the prehistoric days of simply killing those who are different BECAUSE THEY'RE DIFFERENT then it's a fact that the world is simply going to have to accept.
I've heard all these arguments before, and they always seem to fall short of ever accomplishing something...anything. When the argument is over and everyone has lost intrest in the thread, no one will have changed their mind, much less reached an informed conclusion where either side has been considered.
I'm not one of those gay guys that stands on the steps of capitol hill and waves a rainbow flag. I'm not a big supported of gay rights...as they are contradictory to the very goal they are meant to acheive. Special rights for gay people will only set them apart from the rest of society even further. It's like taking two shows and comparing them...like Six Feet Under and Queer as Folk. Six Feet Under has a lot of gay themes which are part of the larger story. Queer As Folk is simply a soap opera about gay people that fulfills every stereotype in the book. A straight guy can watch Six Feet Under and enjoy it, and not even notice the difference between the gay and straight characters...but let a straight guy watch Queer As Folk and they talk about how disgusting it is. I don't want special rights for gay people, I want human rights for everyone.
Originally posted by Robtard
Is it all about the butthole then?
"Boibutton" is the term I hear most creepy old men tossing around in the clubs.
If you wanna have a lively conversation, you should ask a gay man what he likes and dislikes about "gay culture". There's room in that conversation for everyone to show disgust, even the most ardent of gay-friendly fellows.
Originally posted by Devil King
"Boibutton" is the term I hear most creepy old men tossing around in the clubs.If you wanna have a lively conversation, you should ask a gay man what he likes and dislikes about "gay culture". There's room in that conversation for everyone to show disgust, even the most ardent of gay-friendly fellows.
Eww... I'm imaging a Larry Craig saying that.
I thought the term "boi" was used in reference to masculine-lesbians?
I've heard my brother criticize before; it was quite funny.
Originally posted by Devil King
1. I wasn't trying to do anything. It was your point. If I misunderstood what you were saying, I'm all for clearification.2. But I assume you remember what your point was, from an hour ago. I understand you feel piled-up on, but that's no reason for you to give in, nor do I think you have.
3. I like cock and balls, mainly my own. The other guy's cock and balls are of little importance to me, other than the fact they were born with them. If cock and balls was all there was to it, I could understand someone calling it a choice and actually believing it, because homosexuality would be all about cock and balls. But it isn't, as has been stated numerous times and in numerous ways, in this very thread.
4. But, no one is born gay. They choose it at some point in their lives. No? And if I can do it, with a little effort, you can too.
It is rarely serious buisness on these boards. And it isn't a matter of going to the club with you, personally. It's a matter of going to the club with [b]any
straight guys. They've been telling us for years to keep it zipped up around them, we do, and then I run into them at the gay club with their "girlfriend". Any straight man that thinks they have the right to walk into a gay club and judge the gay people in it, for being gay, are idiots. Add to that the fact that the straight people working there are doing it for teh money brought to them by the attention they recieve from gay men, which i consider to be a form of prostitution.But, all in all, this line of conversation has brought us back to the point we were all discussing earlier in the thread: that some people are born gay, while others are just doing it for the attention and a position in a sub-culture with which they wish to identify.
and that's what happens in this thread. It's a totally cyclical conversation that reaches no conclusions and changes no one's opinion regarding the question at hand, which is homosexuality the result of genetics or a choice or natal hormone exposure, etc.
My first post in this thread: [/B]
1. I knew what you were referring to. It was how you worded it that I was calling "weird".
2. I have not given up on my point earlier. I just give up arguing it because it would literally take hours to address all points the way I want to. I don't have time to do that at work. (Which is where I am.) I don't have time to do that when I get home either. So I would rather give up and say you are right. My ego isn't that big and I give up and say I was wrong if I want to. I was really wanting to post a bunch of studies done on the psychology of sex and steer away from the genetic part for a bit. Then build a point about will/choice playing a much larger role in sexuality. I really do believe that a large number of homosexuals are homosexual because of their genetics. I also believe that some people are homosexual because of environmental factors and CHOICES they have made.
3. If it isn't the fact that they are males, then you should be able to easily fall in love with a female. If you are attracted to men because they are men (cock balls, hairy, stinky, agressive, etc.) then you do like cock and balls. (or rather men.)
4. No, some people are born gay. I have already stated that I believe that. See point #2 for the rest.
And about the going to the club thing...
Dude, I know what you mean. Men can be sex objects just like women can be. You don't see that too often with straight men. I really would be fun, though. I am not like most straight guys.
I did enjoy that post you dug up. You make many great points.
Originally posted by dadudemon
3. If it isn't the fact that they are males, then you should be able to easily fall in love with a female. If you are attracted to men because they are men (cock balls, hairy, stinky, agressive, etc.) then you do like cock and balls. (or rather men.)
I do like cock and balls. I seem to recall saying that in exactly as many words. In fact, having a cock and balls are a pretty good jumping off point in a relationship for me. And if it would be so easy to dismiss the aspect of initial attraction in my relationships, then the same could be said for yours.
Originally posted by Devil King
I do like cock and balls. I seem to recall saying that in exactly as many words. In fact, having a cock and balls are a pretty good jumping off point in a relationship for me. And if it would be so easy to dismiss the aspect of initial attraction in my relationships, then the same could be said for yours.
You said "mainly my own"...that threw me off. I was saying that if you don't really like cock and balls (other than your own), then you should be able be in love with any gender. By "mainly my own", you meant "I like my cock and balls the most. I like others too."..which I see now.