Homosexuality: Chosen or Genetic?

omega:

Science has long been viewed in a Heroic sense, the view that Science can somehow heroically explain the universe and everything within it. I agree with you when you say that science has brought us along ways from the middle ages. However, in addition to improving lives though industrialization and technological advances in medicine, etc. it has also produced a lot of negative creation. If it weren't for science there would be no nuclear weapons, there would be no excess greenhouse gas emmissions, and there would be no distant wars over fossil fuels. There would be no accumulation of DDT in northern ecosystems, there would be no holes in the ozone layer, and there would be no oil tanker spills. Whether or not you consider all these creations of science, the scientific method has given birth to numerous technologies of mass destruction, undeniably. Science has not always been right on these things. Science cannot explain a lot of things. I asked my psychology profesor once, a man who has devoted the better part of a decade studying in university ways to scientifically explain pyschological phenomena, what is couscieness and well, even science has some trouble dealing with what is the conscieness of the human mind. If you do get an explaination it is usually something like your consciouness is the connections your brain cells make in between one another and the way these connections operate. I can tell you that what I have experienced in my day to day activities that my mind, my conscienceness, my personality even is much larger and more complex than a string of nerve cells making connections. I think that is not unreasonable to have doubts about the ability of science provide explanations and answers to everything.

accually, the Dark ages notion that the world was flat was disproved centuries earlier in Ancient greece. Forget who did it but it had somethign to do with finding the circumfrence of the earth.... (oh and they were right to a coupla feet)
The only reason that existed was because the religious people shut out all knowlage and pointed to the part in the bible where it says the 4 corners of the earth!

Originally posted by The Omega
Punkyhermy> Ahaaaa!

"They did those oh-so-great experiments which apparently to THEM , ackording to their SUCH limited knowledge, 'proved' that the owlrd was square!"

They? Who "they"? Experiment? Which experiment? Where was it conducted? How was it carried out?

“Uh-uh WRONG there buddy, believing in something US MERE HUMAN'S can't 'prove' is perfectly REASONABLE.”

Aha! So aliens are real, alien abductions are real, Mohammed is the prophet of God? The Bermuda Triangle is a flying saucer airport? People can move things with their minds? This is all… according to you… reasoable?

I don't think anything's existance depends on human acknowledgement of it.
Can u 'prove' that Aliens are NOT real?!
Muhammad IS a prohphet of God!So is Jesus and Moses!And Adam!
People move things with their mind?!NO comment
Bermuda Traingle isn't my subject of debate.Don't know much about it to conclude anything!

Punkyhermy> “Uh-uh WRONG there buddy, believing in something US MERE HUMAN'S can't 'prove' is perfectly REASONABLE.”
” Uh...HELLO!
THE WORLD DOESN'T REVOLVE AROUND US!!
Things don't suddenly 'exist' when our meger lil brains aknowldge their existance!”

But you STILL claim it’s reasonable to believe in something humans can’t prove???

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Yers> Hrmmmm... I think someone in here made me think of the UNENLIGHTENED middle-ages... Maybe... Hmmm...
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Originally posted by angelsflame265
😂 pun

I'm glad someone catch it. 😄 😊

oh... ... would that be the gay pope himself? 😱

'Enlightenment' Wow SUCH a baostful name...shouldn't they be humiliated to understand the world around them SO late?!To understand common sense so late?!

Originally posted by Linkalicious
wouldn't that defeat the purpose of DISCUSSION?

Thank you for that super observation captain kill-joy 🤨

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
I don't think anything's existance depends on human acknowledgement of it.
Can u 'prove' that Aliens are NOT real?!
Muhammad IS a prohphet of God!So is Jesus and Moses!And Adam!
People move things with their mind?!NO comment
Bermuda Traingle isn't my subject of debate.Don't know much about it to conclude anything!

God Damn it!!

I guess we have to break out the reindeer!

Let me do the honors!

Me: Flying Reindeer exist!
You: No they don't
Me: prove it

So you have to got and find EVERY reindeer on earth and toss them of a bridge and see if they can fly. Even when that happens I can claim that they only do it under certian circumstances, E.g. the've eaten a pound of cabbage and Brussle sprouts and under the fuill moon on the third saturday of ever 8th year, Or that they are special reindeer from Mars or that they havent been born yet.

Get it, Its impossible to prove a negative! I can't disprove God, because of above reasoning, so you have to PROVE him.

Oh and aliens probably do exist, but not the was we imagine them.

Originally posted by BackFire
Holy shit, we have a new word, someone call Websters!!

In the words of Zero:

Your mind is like LASER!!!!

Punkyhermy> "They did those oh-so-great experiments which apparently to THEM , ackording to their SUCH limited knowledge, 'proved' that the owlrd was square!"

They? Who "they"? Experiment? Which experiment? Where was it conducted? How was it carried out?

“Can u 'prove' that Aliens are NOT real?!”
You can’t prove a negative, you moron! Is it REALLY flying rein-deer time, do I have to show you you can’t prove the NON-existence of a thing.
You’re merely claiming it is REASONABLE to believe in this stuff. I just wanted to be sure you REALLY meant it.

Turbo-Cajun> The ”Heroic” view is up to people themselves. Science has nothing to do with heroics, but is an attempt at explaining nature around us.
Don’t fall into the trap of saying ”look at the evil atomic bomb.” Scientists who do research do it to EXPLAIN something about nature, how does it work and why does it work that way it does. What ”falls out” so to speak is simply new discoveries. It is what we humans chose to do with these discoveries that matter.
It is not a matter of science being ”right” or ”wrong” morally. That is up to us humans to decide what to DO with new discoveries. Science looks for facts.
Science does not deal with ”are we here for a reason”, that’s philosophy’s department. Sure, science can’t explain everything that transpires in the human mind yet… What dreams are, and why we have them. But then again… phychology is only some 150 years old.

While the reindeer analogy is cute and all there are people who have had a spiritual experience who don't need science to prove that it exists, because well, if you expecience something you know that it happened, and generally you don't care too much if others beleive you or not. They know it exists because they experienced it. If you want proof, generally there is none that will stand up to the scientific method that you accept as your scientific bible. You guys criticize the religious types for being blind to science and refusing to consider the possibility that you are wrong while you yourselves are refusing to consider the possibility that there is something else out there that science is unable to explain.

ok... I had a spiritual experience... this heavy low voice told me that science is right and religion sucks

proof me wrong about this turbo-cajun 🙄

Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
[B]refusing to consider the possibility that you are wrong

That is something that Humans are better known for. Can't be right all the time.

TC> We may be wrong!
If the proof come along and shows us that we are wrong then we will execpt it, its how science works! But I have seen NO proof of any sort of god, none whatsoever. I have seen proof of science. So I go with the proof.

Anyways, if God did provide prrof than religion would become science. That would be a fun argument...

Originally posted by yerssot
ok... I had a spiritual experience... this heavy low voice told me that science is right and religion sucks

proof me wrong about this turbo-cajun 🙄

I told you f-tards before, I am an aethist. Don't call me religous.

I just think its dumb that you guys think that science has everything figured out and everyone who does not buy into science is some backwards bible-bashing creationist. Any absolutist claim is riddiculous to me. The idea that science has all of the answers to understanding everything in our world is just as stupid to me as the claim the Christianity has all of the answers to understanding the world. There needs to be a healthy level of skepticism when deconstructing peoples arguements on both sides of an issue.

I think that that is a fair statement. You guys are devout when it comes to your beleif in the power of science to solve all are problems. You should hear some of the stuff that scientists during the enlightenment said... one of them said something aobut "the truth of Newton's ideas overcoming the powers of darkness with light..."

Sounds pretty biblical to me. Fools.

language please

and I think you are dangerously low educated in the field of this all here... science NEVER claims it has ALL the answers NOR that it's definitive... that's the bible that claims such things, scientists have made millions of theories and thousands have been either utterly bashed, proven wrong or refined. That should make it clear that at least they do evolve (pun not intended).

And yes, I do believe that science can solve a lot of problems... thanks to science i.e. we know that the earth is round ... if it was up to the bible, we would still think it's a square. Science has made us go from... how you put it "f-tards" to people that can at least understand the big parts of what's going on here.

Excuse my language, I despise be labelled. But i do not believe that my use of the asterisk sign invalidates my arguement.

I maybe should have worded it in a way in which you can understand. Science may not claim to have all the answers to everything, yet, but from what i get in this discussion it claims the only truths that exist are those which are able to be scientifically proven. So while science may not have all the answers to everything, you claim that the only real truths that exist are those reached through science. Which still makes it the only "true" way to gain knowledge. I still believe that you are just as uninformed about somethings as are the hard core Christian extremists.

that wasn't what I said either 😉

that is simply becauase at least science evolves and isn't afraid to change or retract theories... it is religious people that up to now have not proved anything or just take an ancient book as the only source of knowledge... I don't know about you, but I want my believes and truths be the real deal and that's science, they explain it

As I said, I already know what my opinion is. Actually, it has been proven that homosexuality is due to a chemical imblaance in the brain.