Originally posted by The OmegaWell, that was never my intention, I was wondering what people think. I'm actually a fierce advocate of gay rights
Chosen or genetic? Does it really matter?? Who people are attracted to is their choice and (barring paedophiles) none of our business.A discussion like this makes it sound as if there’s something WRONG with being homosexual, and that there has to be some CAUSE for this.
Yerssot, well I don't think you have a good grasp on what I said either.
I do not advocate the use of religion
What I said, is that both Christianity and Science claim to have a monopoly on what truth is, and that by making the claim that you are correct and no one else is, or that no other source of knowledge exists you are being just as ignorant to the possibility of alternate models of knowledge as the Christians are. Even if there was some big display of god-like power there is no way that it would even mean anything to a scientist. If say for example that an incident like Moses and the burning bush took place, today, in front of a thousand spectators, science would still say that that is not sufficient evidence to prove there is a god. The bush? oh well... see it was a very dry bush and it happening to become ignited when static discharge from when Moses's positively charged robe came into contact with a negatively charged dry bush. The voices? auditory disorder, possibly brought on by trauma of having a bush suddenly ignite in your face. There is no amount of evidence available which could erase all doubt in the minds of scientists why there is religion, just as there is no scientific reasoning strong enough to convince christians that there is no god. And since they are both essentially extremist positions, I choose to remain skeptical of both science and religion. Did you get that?
I dont think that either religion or science is capable of knowing all the answers, which makes me a skeptic, not religious, skeptic...
Originally posted by Lord Soth
As I said, I already know what my opinion is. Actually, it has been proven that homosexuality is due to a chemical imblaance in the brain.
So is depression... that doesnt mean that everyone who is depressed was given a depression gene that caused that imbalance. People can develope that imbalance due to social pressures and environmental influences. I can't remember what your angle was on this again, but that fact really doesn't prove anything, other than Gay people have a chemical imbalance in thier brain.
Because besides being an imbalance, if that is what in fact causes people to confuse their sexual identities, it has become part of their individual character developement and who they are as a person. Imagine taking a pill fiery eyes and waking up strongly attracted to other women sexually. It would confuse the hell out of you, you wouldnt probably like that very much. I do know a few gay people, and once they find a comfortable place and supportive network of friends they often have no problems being who they really are naturally, and most i assume would not want to go straight. By prescribing drugs to make them attracted to the other sex is they same as you taking pills to make you attracted to your same sex.
Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
Because besides being an imbalance, if that is what in fact causes people to confuse their sexual identities, it has become part of their individual character developement and who they are as a person. Imagine taking a pill fiery eyes and waking up strongly attracted to other women sexually. It would confuse the hell out of you, you wouldnt probably like that very much. I do know a few gay people, and once they find a comfortable place and supportive network of friends they often have no problems being who they really are naturally, and most i assume would not want to go straight. By prescribing drugs to make them attracted to the other sex is they same as you taking pills to make you attracted to your same sex.
I'm not the one that brought up that it could be a chemical imbalance, cuz of course i don't believe that, but why would someone not want to take it, if they are chemically imbalance, then why would they not want to balance theirself out? ADHD kids do all the time, and it helps them to learn better. If you're adnormal (chemically off) why not balance yourself out? It's just a bunch of mumbo jumbo i think, cuz if it was a chemical imbalance someone would have already been working on or had a new drug out for it to cure gays. it's choice.
Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
I told you f-tards before, I am an aethist. Don't call me religous.I just think its dumb that you guys think that science has everything figured out and everyone who does not buy into science is some backwards bible-bashing creationist. Any absolutist claim is riddiculous to me. The idea that science has [B]all
of the answers to understanding everything in our world is just as stupid to me as the claim the Christianity has all of the answers to understanding the world. There needs to be a healthy level of skepticism when deconstructing peoples arguements on both sides of an issue.I think that that is a fair statement. You guys are devout when it comes to your beleif in the power of science to solve all are problems. You should hear some of the stuff that scientists during the enlightenment said... one of them said something aobut "the truth of Newton's ideas overcoming the powers of darkness with light..."
Sounds pretty biblical to me. Fools. [/B]
i kinda agree with this guy, most of the ppl here think that sience is the answer to every single thng... yes science is really important, but it isnt everything!! oh and i dont think... "gayism" 😕 is genetical
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
if it's a chemically embalance in the brain, then why hasn't someone made meds to take to cure it? I mean if you're not chosing to be that way, and peeps get criticzd alot for being that way, then why not take meds to help??hiiiiiiiiiiiiii everyone
u make it sound like its a disease 😛
Originally posted by A4E
i kinda agree with this guy, most of the ppl here think that sience is the answer to every single thng... yes science is really important, but it isnt everything!! oh and i dont think... "gayism" 😕 is genetical
thank you... i had to say some of that stuff because its been on my mind lately. And it was starting to feel like talking to bricks, you made my day dude...
how do you pass the genetic trait of gayness on to offspring if that trait causes someone to be a homosexual? Homosexuals don't typically produce offspring, they might try but it just does not work.
No one has attempted to answer my question of how does this mysterious gay gene gets passed along. No scientists here who believe that it is genetically caused want to take this up?
Even if it were a genetically reccessive trait, it would eventually get weeded out. As the great Charles Darwin said it, survival of the fittest. Survival of those species in a population that are best equiped to reproduce pass their traits onto thier offspring, they pass it on to their offspring and so forth. Eventually these traits that are not carried by the heterosexuals members of society will die out. Since humans have been around for many many years and there are still homosexuals today proves that it is unlikely that such behavior is caused by genes alone. I might concede the possibility that genetics plays some minor role in how someones personality is developed and what kind sexual preference is then formed as a result, but it is far more likely to be environmental influences than either choice or genetics by themselves.
Yeah well, if you are poccessing traits that make you more likely to successfully reproduce you will have children that have the potential for showing these traits or carrying them reccessively. Members of society who have traits which negatively affect their ability to reproduce will be less likely to have offspring at all, passing none of their genetic information on the future generations. If they do have offspring the offspring may or may not show signs of carrying this negative trait, but they will carry it reccessively. However, a major part of evolution is that these negative traits, traits that negatively effect the abilty to reproduce, will eventually become so infrequently passed that they become extinct.
What would weed it out is that someone displaying this trait is probably not going to have kids, they could potentially, but most do not. If they do not have kids they do not pass on the genetic traits which cause people to be gay.
If you have time look up on Mendel's Square... its kind of how that works
Straight = RR, Rr
Gay = rr