Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
But you should, I think, be at least interested in the plight. You never know, one day one of your friends may come to you, looking for advice, feeling suicidal because they have discovered they are homosexual... now I don't believe you would tell them to sod off as you don't care.
The moment that happens to me I might change my mine but Its gonna take that
As human beings we are expected to care, but that doesn't mean if someone says they don't care, you should ridicule them and tell them that they should care. I mean I agree it's cold hearted.. but if they care they care... if they don't they don't. You're better off to just leave them alone. And I hardly see how Napalm's stance on gay suicide reflects whether homosexuality is genetic or chosen.
Originally posted by spidergrl
Well Napalm you must be fckd up not to care, even if you said you might if it was one of your friends. You're saying that if you saw something on the news about kids commiting suicide and you would brush it off, with out a care in the world!! You got problems mate, I suddest a shrink !!!
People die all the time you expect me to care about each and every one of um?
__Well, it's saddest when they die, in part, no matter how small, because of mistreatment by other humans.
__I know a lot of people who might have killed themselves, and who knows if they're really any different than those who did? Sometimes small things intervene to reduce or amplify tendancies, situations, reactions...it's hard to say. I'm grateful they didn't, so look at it that way, and then you may understand that each person who kills themselves is a loss.
__Anyway, AC could be right. If you can't feel it, or won't, that's where you are now, maybe forever, and nothing we do/say changes it.
__I'd really like it if you'd tell us how you formed your opinion on sexuality as a choice.
__Are you actually saying you chose to be straight? Seriously?
Originally posted by Napalm
People die all the time you expect me to care about each and every one of um?
Im not saying that you should cry and weep etc etc, Im not even saying that you HAVE to care about people who kill then selves: hense what Afro Cheese said. But are you telling me that you don't even wince a bit, I mean you don't feel anything where you hear about teenagers who commit suicide, because their parents didn't except your sexuality, you were raped, beaten anything. I just don't see how someone can not feel anything..... 🙁
[QUOTE]Originally posted by spidergrl
[B]Im not saying that you should cry and weep etc etc, Im not even saying that you HAVE to care about people who kill then selves: hense what Afro Cheese said. But are you telling me that you don't even wince a bit, I mean you don't feel anything where you hear about teenagers who commit suicide, because their parents didn't except your sexuality, you were raped, beaten anything. I just don't see how someone can not feel anything..... 🙁 [QUOTE]
I might have been a bit over exagerating when I said I dont care
Originally posted by Napalm
[QUOTE]Originally posted by spidergrl
[B]Im not saying that you should cry and weep etc etc, Im not even saying that you HAVE to care about people who kill then selves: hense what Afro Cheese said. But are you telling me that you don't even wince a bit, I mean you don't feel anything where you hear about teenagers who commit suicide, because their parents didn't except your sexuality, you were raped, beaten anything. I just don't see how someone can not feel anything..... 🙁 [QUOTE]I might have been a bit over exagerating when I said I dont care
KIND OF OFF TOPIC!!
I know. Im just stating the point that I know there are people out there that don't except gay people and gay people allowed to marry but when you say that you don't care I just can't understand. You see people on the news that raped and kill children and thats the people that don't care, and shouldn't deserve to be here. But we're talking about human beings, and we're hurting them in many ways just because they like the same sex!! What is wrong with that, its not hurting anyone else, its not killing anyone or harming you, so why have a problem. I tell you this world is screwed if we have a major problem with Gay people....
__Are you actually saying you chose to be straight? Seriously?
I have a bisexual friend who keeps the attraction for others of the same sex hidden because she thinks it's truly wrong for her to do so. In that way, I think it's a choice. Despite if it's a society-learned behavior that homosexuals are "bad" or not, she chooses to do that.
I have a homosexual friend that explained to me that no one is completely straight. It was described to me that a lot of people can be "bent", so to speak, and will in fact "bend" depending on the circumstances. Since I think people allow the environment to affect them, that to me is also a choice.
However, though scientific evidence doesn't totally prove there is a gene that causes homosexuality, it does present of a strong case that there is one. I think there is one because...well, I thought of this:
"Samuel Beckett once said: 'Every word is like an unnecessary stain on silence and nothingness.' ...On the other hand, he said it." - Art Spiegelman/ Spiegelman's Maus
But when words co-exist with thoughts, how is that so? If there must be words to express thoughts even within one's own mind...in the same sense, I think there must be a gene that allows one to be attracted to individuals of the same sex in the first place, though environments/friends may help. Theoretically, it's mostly passed from the mother to the son.
P.S. I don't mean to offend people by posting this. I was a little weary of that. I've done a lot of research on various subjects, and one of them is this. To my knowledge, I'm as straight as a person can be. Also, a lot of things is brought up by Christianity in this subject, and in that way, I don't have to worry a lot because I'm not much of a Christian. If that offends anyone, I'm sorry. I don't trust a lot of things on the Net. No matter how professional a site looks, there's always the possibility of the information being incorrect. A lot of the information I've stated came from sources I trust to be reliable, but I'm not reccomending you quote me. Research for yourself and come up with an acceptable opinion for you.
Originally posted by Blasphemic_LainThat would mean you're friend is choosing not to be open about her sexuality, doesn't mean she isn't bisexual. She is choosing to lead a straight lifestyle, but still isn't straight if she is attracted to other women. In that way it is not a choice because even though she wishes to be straight she still has that homosexual attraction inside her, and is a bisexual no matter what her actions. Sexual orientation is based on attraction.. doesn't matter if you act on those attractions or not.
I have a bisexual friend who keeps the attraction for others of the same sex hidden because she thinks it's truly wrong for her to do so. In that way, I think it's a choice. Despite if it's a society-learned behavior that homosexuals are "bad" or not, she chooses to do that.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
That would mean you're friend is choosing not to be open about her sexuality, doesn't mean she isn't bisexual. She is choosing to lead a straight lifestyle, but still isn't straight if she is attracted to other women. In that way it is not a choice because even though she wishes to be straight she still has that homosexual attraction inside her, and is a bisexual no matter what her actions. Sexual orientation is based on attraction.. doesn't matter if you act on those attractions or not.
No shes a hetrosexual because she only has sex with men it dosent matter what she liker women too
Nah she's still bisexual she's just in the closet about it. If someone is attracted to the same sex they are gay (or bisexual) whether they admit it or not. It's not like as soon as you have a sexual encounter with someone of the same sex you become gay. That would also mean that a guy isn't straight until he has sex with a girl.