This is gonna get ugly.

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
I'm not attacking anyone, but their point of views.

With that said, lilbitchiness..your point of view is wut sprouted from millions of women [b]suffering from oppression.

Once tha basics [GOOD THINGS] were outa tha way like voting, owning property, job oppurtunities....women started to go too far [BAD THINGS]by targeting anything left over that WASN'T in any way making them suffer.[/B]

Jesus Christ! You need to open a book or two before you open your mouth!

You need to pick up some books and get educated. Then come back and preach to me!

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
Bent on getting a sense of freedom by "liberating" themselves from stupid lil shit. tha result is women with unusually strong oppositions for everything. i mean you cant even say "men are physically stronger than women"[a statement that is correct for the most part], without hearing some ***** go on and on.

Oh I see your problem! you are too afraid of a woman who will have a brain because women with bran seem to intimidate you.

When will chauvinist male oppressors stop breeding?!

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
Not takin husbands last name/not doing housework/etc is tha full blown result. women should have rights and should be free to some extent, for men and women were not created by God as equals.

And I dont believe in God, so what now? Are you gonna tell me that something i dont believe exists made me not equal to YOU?

Not only am i equal to you, I am superior to you - in spelling and in evolution.

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
We are NOT equal, if we were equal then men shouldn't carry heavier loads, be more protective of women, show chivalry, etc.

Understand this, kid, women in this age dont even need men! We dont even need you to have children - GET A CLUE!

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
I'm not saying [but i'm sure you women have already planned to ignore this] that women are not important, i think women are more important than men for they bear children. men can be sacrificed with less "loss" than women. but by all means, we are not equal...men will always be superior, we were meant to be. if not, our bodies would have been tha same...women would be equally powerfull, we would think equally, etc. we are superior for a reason, either ask God or evolution why.

But tha saddest part of all, is guys who feel overwhelmed by the femenist womens' voice. without totally thinking throughly, they say anything to make women happy and shut up. that isn't truth, that isn't being honest. thats just going with tha flow to keep from getting bitched at. I on tha other hand and guys like me, wont let women go [b]too far.[/B]

You are a fascinating creature: I don't know whether to laugh at you outright or pull out my abnormal psychology reference manual to see how you rate for your narcissistic, chauvinist and antisocial behavior.

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
"If you feed a dog a piece of a steak, it'll surely want tha whole. and another" I used that example because it was quick to think of [i'm not calling women dogs...sigh]. but that is wut has happened with tha femenist movement.

And yeah, im sure If you can scrounge up another brain cell, you might captivate us further... but I doubt it.

You need to get over this little fantasy world you live in - or go away, and look for a brainless wonder of a woman who will not intimidate you with her brain and her intelligence you oh so evidently fear!

lil i think its really terrible you have such a low opinion of us guys, some of us are decent and open minded if u'd take the time to get to know us. we dont all make it our mission to oppress women, and its definately not as many guys as you think.

"Its almost funny how you call me a kid for my views when many many adults have and do share it. plus growing up has nothing to do with my veiw."

Adults can still have a childish and stupid mentality, case in point, thinking men are "superior" to women. You call it "thinking outside the box", I call it "stupid". Think whatever you wish.

"I dont wana be with a woman that'll reject my last name."

From the sound of it I don't think you're going to have to worry about that, you probably won't find a woman that doesn't come out of a bordello with the attitude of "men are superior to women". I doubt girls are breaking the door down to have a relationship with you.

"When will chauvinist male oppressors stop breeding?!"

When women stop mating with them. Hopefully soon.

Originally posted by pr1983
lil i think its really terrible you have such a low opinion of us guys, some of us are decent and open minded if u'd take the time to get to know us. we dont all make it our mission to oppress women, and its definately not as many guys as you think.

Lets get one thing straight, i dont hate men, i just hate assh0les - i cant help it if theres such a high correlation.

Besides, i have as much patience for dumb ass women who are willing to put up with this kinda men, as much as i have for those same men.

Ignorance pisses me off no end, regardless of gender.

okay then

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
I'm not attacking anyone, but their point of views.

With that said, lilbitchiness..your point of view is wut sprouted from millions of women [b]suffering from oppression.

Once tha basics [GOOD THINGS] were outa tha way like voting, owning property, job oppurtunities....women started to go too far [BAD THINGS]by targeting anything left over that WASN'T in any way making them suffer.

Bent on getting a sense of freedom by "liberating" themselves from stupid lil shit. tha result is women with unusually strong oppositions for everything. i mean you cant even say "men are physically stronger than women"[a statement that is correct for the most part], without hearing some ***** go on and on.

Not takin husbands last name/not doing housework/etc is tha full blown result. women should have rights and should be free to some extent, for men and women were not created by God as equals.

We are NOT equal, if we were equal then men shouldn't carry heavier loads, be more protective of women, show chivalry, etc.

I'm not saying [but i'm sure you women have already planned to ignore this] that women are not important, i think women are more important than men for they bear children. men can be sacrificed with less "loss" than women. but by all means, we are not equal...men will always be superior, we were meant to be. if not, our bodies would have been tha same...women would be equally powerfull, we would think equally, etc. we are superior for a reason, either ask God or evolution why.

But tha saddest part of all, is guys who feel overwhelmed by the femenist womens' voice. without totally thinking throughly, they say anything to make women happy and shut up. that isn't truth, that isn't being honest. thats just going with tha flow to keep from getting bitched at. I on tha other hand and guys like me, wont let women go too far.

"If you feed a dog a piece of a steak, it'll surely want tha whole. and another" I used that example because it was quick to think of [i'm not calling women dogs...sigh]. but that is wut has happened with tha femenist movement. [/B]

how do you know exactly what makes women suffer? indeed, being part of a society that doesn't count your voice for anything and therefore won't let you be part of the political system makes you suffer, but does that mean the suffering ends there? what exactly do you have in mind when you say 'things that doesn't make women suffer'? please specify before you call them 'bad'.

you're generalizing here. whenever you say that men are physically stronger than women, does an angry damsell jump at you from behind a bush? every single time? women are, just like men, individuals and some of us do know that men are physically stronger than women.

as lil bitchiness's already said, you cannot use god as an excuse for men to suppress women. simply because he only exist to those who believe in him, and because the only thing you know about him derives from your own personal feelings and a book written and rewritten by men.
please do now be alarmed. look at the statistics: the general picture is that WOMEN STILL DO THE HOUSE CHORES! and on top of that, they work full time and take care of the children. their male partners? work full time and do a very small percentage of the daily chores. how can you blame us for wanting to change that? what's so horrible about not wanting to do the cleaning? should that be a crime just because of your gender?

being equal's not the same as being different. no, we're not equal, and that has nothing to do with god, but society; women still get lower wages, still don't get the big positions, still get fired because they become pregnant, still don't get hired because they might get pregnant, etc. etc.
but different? yes, we are. yes, men are physically stronger than women, yes, we work differently in specific ways, yes, we regard things differently, yes, we look different, but should that make any of the genders worth more than the other? no. that's the whole idea about equality.

I don't get it when you say that women are more important than men and at the same time state that men are superior.

when reading your posts, as well as the posts of some of the other guys here, I get the idea that you're fearing some sort of female take over. you say that 'things have been taken too far', but don't explain exactly what these things are. is it simply that women's position have changed so rapidly that you now feel you have trouble keeping up? why is it that it must be the womens's task to make you feel strong and confident again? why not just take it upon yourself and accept us as your equals? it sure takes a lot more balls than whining.

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
Not takin husbands last name/not doing housework/etc is tha full blown result. women should have rights and should be free to some extent.

Flo - as you yourself said - I'm not here to attack anyone: Just their opinions. Well said and well put. A worthy aim that we all here at KMC could do with sharing. No reason for people to get personal and create more friction.

Topics like this can get outa hand pretty quickly if the more level headed amongst us aren't prepared to speak out plainly but softly - not against people but things that they stand for, the things they represent, the ideas that pose a danger to our time honoured traditions, our sacred duty to the family and most of all a danger to the precarious fantasy land that sexist troglodytes inhabit. It's a rare and peaceful land - the world where women are free to some extent - and it will be a strange and baffling day for some when it is lost to human view like the last little turd nugget swirling round the bowl before vanishing forever.

Lest it make a shred of difference: Newsflash, not only is their a whole new breed of man out there who crave a partner as fierce and smart and capable as themselves - to whom the word "equal" isn't alien or threatening: some of us even insist on it. And the best thing of all is that - as equals- you can't even begin to imagine the kind of fun we are having. Seriously: Thats not a metaphor - you have no ****ing idea, your brain doesn't get it because your thinking is as obsolete as the dinosaur.

*applause*

Newsflash, not only is their a whole new breed of man out there who crave a partner as fierce and smart and capable as themselves - to whom the word "equal" isn't alien or threatening: some of us even insist on it. And the best thing of all is that - as equals- you can't even begin to imagine the kind of fun we are having.

well said zero, i agree completely

Originally posted by Mr Zero
Newsflash, not only is their a whole new breed of man out there who crave a partner as fierce and smart and capable as themselves - to whom the word "equal" isn't alien or threatening: some of us even insist on it.

So... I'll be on the first train to London then.

You're more sane in your post so i'll respond fo you first :-).

Originally posted by Line
yes, men are physically stronger than women, yes, we work differently in specific ways, yes, we regard things differently, yes, we look different, but should that make any of the genders worth more than the other? no. that's the whole idea about equality.

I don't get it when you say that women are more important than men and at the same time state that men are superior.

when reading your posts, as well as the posts of some of the other guys here, I get the idea that you're fearing some sort of female take over. you say that 'things have been taken too far', but don't explain exactly what these things are. is it simply that women's position have changed so rapidly that you now feel you have trouble keeping up? why is it that it must be the womens's task to make you feel strong and confident again? why not just take it upon yourself and accept us as your equals? it sure takes a lot more balls than whining.

Thank you so much for being realistic when you admitted everything in tha first paragraph of wut i qouted. I do believe women to be more important because they are tha mothers who bring us to this world [to say tha least]. but at tha same time, we ARE superior. and i'm not saying that to feel good, i'm saying that because a lot of woman think we are equal..which we are NOT.

As for whining, who's whining? i think your sadly mistaken...woman are tha whiners that whined for more than a 50 years. and i support tha cause for their early whining but NOW they whine about everything. even tha fact that they get our last names is being whined about. it is not a woman's task to make us feel superior. why do women repeat that? i dont care how much freedom women have as long as it doesn't take away things from us. and THAT is how it has gone too far. need an example for things gone too far? this thread.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Jesus Christ! You need to open a book or two before you open your mouth!

You need to pick up some books and get educated. Then come back and preach to me!

Oh I see your problem! you are too afraid of a woman who will have a brain because women with bran seem to intimidate you.

When will chauvinist male oppressors stop breeding?!

And I dont believe in God, so what now? Are you gonna tell me that something i dont believe exists made me not equal to YOU?

Not only am i equal to you, I am superior to you - in spelling and in evolution.

Understand this, kid, women in this age dont even need men! We dont even need you to have children - GET A CLUE!

You are a fascinating creature: I don't know whether to laugh at you outright or pull out my abnormal psychology reference manual to see how you rate for your narcissistic, chauvinist and antisocial behavior.

And yeah, im sure If you can scrounge up another brain cell, you might captivate us further... but I doubt it.

You need to get over this little fantasy world you live in - or go away, and look for a brainless wonder of a woman who will not intimidate you with her brain and her intelligence you oh so evidently fear!

If you had a different username i'd probably call you a name or two, too.

I dont see how me hating women that b itch too much has something to do with a woman having a brain. she can be a genius, and oppose everything...its tha bitching that i loathe. same way you talk to me.

I also dont see how you being a better speller is worth you including it. thats something you're proud of? and how are you more evolved than me? you are just socially evolved to todays "open and dumb minded" culture since you're one of those bi-sexual [i'm assuming?] femenists STRONGLY oppose to anything men have. if you mean you're smarter than me because you have a different point of view and can spell better than me when i dont care about spelling - then you proved to be LESS intelligent than me. If you meant you're more evolved because you think you're better looking or something [you always mention how your beautiful], give me a pic and i'll join your movement..LOL j/k

Of course you meant that women are more evolved than men...there goes your "equal" theory...LOL. and i'm afraid YOU need to get out of YOUR fantasy world because men ARE superior to women in every physical ability but give birth [and thats due to lack there of, of female parts]. men are smarter, some women are smart too... but that is a fewer number. and about your X and Y theory...women have more information in their gene because they can uh BEAR LIFE INSIDE OF THEM. not only was that a cheap shot by your part, it was idiotic.

Note: 88 does not mean 1988. I'm 18, look up my bday. but still with your logic i guess someone could be 50 and still be called a kid.

"Understand this, kid, women in this age dont even need men! We dont even need you to have children - GET A CLUE! "

Women dont need men? LOL omg you are PROVING how retarded your beliefs are. you dont NEED us to have children? listen here, that type of shit would never happen if only men worked. women were given tha right to work along men and do the research responsible for tha medical advancements you speak of and now you say that you dont even need us to have kids?...you are PROVING AGAIN that femenists like yourself are plain EVIL. everything you stand for is wut will bring this world down. you dont even like men at all. you are a man-hater. you shouldn't even be able to speak for women because you dont represent most of them. i feel sorry for your future husband...yeah right, you'll probably marry another woman....then i feel sorry for your children.

If you're offended, good. your words were just tha same...but with better spelling

dude, dont you think thats a bit ott?

Oh I see, so you think im an ''evil femenist b!tch who is a man hater and a lesbian''?

Actually HarmonicFlo88, im their queen!

Second of all, personal name calling and bashing is not allowed, and Im telling you - do not do it again.

My sexuality is none of your goddamned business, so dont make me abuse my 'evil femenist lesbian' moderator powers and get you banned. I hope we understand each other!

I bet you just wanted to call me a b!tch, didnt you? Because thats gonna make you feel all manly and big!
A man with ANY character will NOT call a girl a b!tch - that said a lot about you, didnt it?

I have my own life, my own degree in process and my own hand - what makes you possibly think id ever need a husband - especially one with shitty attitude like yours?
Id rather be alone for the rest of my life than have to spend one waking day with anyone who thinks like you. And hopefully I wont.

Do you know what kind of man has character? The one that will not have a problem with a smart and capable woman that doesn't let men push her around - and that is the only kind of man I ever want to be with.

And again - understand this as your warning with the name calling - next time I will not be handing out any warnings to you. I trust you will not let me show you what an 'evil femenist man-hating dyke with power' can do.

but how do you rate a capable man who doesnt let his wife/gf push him around? people call them sexist pigs because they stand up for themselves, which is wrong, it should be equal.

Originally posted by pr1983
but how do you rate a capable man who doesnt let his wife/gf push him around? people call them sexist pigs because they stand up for themselves, which is wrong, it should be equal.

Originally posted by Mr Zero
Newsflash, not only is their a whole new breed of man out there who crave a partner as fierce and smart and capable as themselves - to whom the word "equal" isn't alien or threatening: some of us even insist on it. And the best thing of all is that - as equals- you can't even begin to imagine the kind of fun we are having.

no, u misunderstood, im not talking about women, im talking about men who are independent and stand up for themsleves, but are lynched because of it.

and dont assume for one second im the kind of guy whos intimidated by a strong woman, theyre the ones i prefer.

HarmonicFlo -- I...don't even know where to begin. Your post was too ignorant and sexist for words to describe. So I'm just going to go with I pity any woman who would ever go out with you.

Lil...*applause* You rock. Too bad there still are too many women out there that let themselves get walked all over.

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88

Thank you so much for being [b]realistic when you admitted everything in tha first paragraph of wut i qouted. I do believe women to be more important because they are tha mothers who bring us to this world [to say tha least]. but at tha same time, we ARE superior. and i'm not saying that to feel good, i'm saying that because a lot of woman think we are equal..which we are NOT.

As for whining, who's whining? i think your sadly mistaken...woman are tha whiners that whined for more than a 50 years. and i support tha cause for their early whining but NOW they whine about everything. even tha fact that they get our last names is being whined about. it is not a woman's task to make us feel superior. why do women repeat that? i dont care how much freedom women have as long as it doesn't take away things from us. and THAT is how it has gone too far. need an example for things gone too far? this thread. [/B]

I didn't admit anything, I stated what everyone knows. we're different. still, where I don't see this difference as something negative, you seem to do and be in complete favour of the masculine values.
women aren't more important than men, and men aren't more important than women. especially when it comes to reproduction. you just called lil bitchiness evil because she said women can have children on their own. why do you then glorify the mother's role over the father's? the man's just as needed in the making and upbringing of the child, he just rarely takes that responsibility on him because he thinks it compromises his masculinity, which is utter bs.
you keep mentioning this superiority but don't really explain it, so I looked at the post you wrote for lil bitchiness in which you point at the male's physical strength. is THAT the superiority you're so fond of mentioning? the ability to carry heavy burdens and smack someone down? this was of course very usefull once, but in the society we have today, physical strength really isn't that important anymore. in stead, communication, understanding and other traditionally 'feminine' values seem be in more demand. besides, if you choose to view the less physical strength of females as a 'lack', then you too ought to view the males incapability of breast feeding and pregnancy as a such. thing is, these aren't 'lacks' but differences. that doesn't make any of the sexes superior to the other.

please read the papers, watch some telly, go out a bit. men do whine. whenever the talk is on relationships, you can be sure to hear the, "but they've changed everything, I don't know what to do" talk. "if I open the doors for them, I'm bad, if I'm too soft I'm not sexy" etc. I know the gender roles have been radically changed, and still are changing, but instead of changing along with them, some men seem to stand still, bemoaning their 'lost manhoods'. ever heard of courses for men to regain their 'manhood' and learn to talk to their penises? ever heard men whining about the new commercials with the naked men, or just men in underwear? I have. their argument usually is that "women are used to be made into sexual objects, we're not." yes, men whine.
I HAVE looked at this thread, and to be honest I think it's the men who've been doing most of the whining. grown men, afraid they're wives won't love them if they don't change their names? please, that's whining. to be honest, I'm with back fire in wondering why you're so eager for your wife to change her name if you really look at it as a minor thing. why should this minor thing be to your advantage and not her's? because you're a man?
yes, I do think that it is commonly thought that it's the women who've screwed up everything and really ought to come down to earth again. you say so yourself. the pressure's on the women to change, not the men. that leaves the women with all the responsibility.

Line - take a bow.