Originally posted by Mr Zero
Power isn't something you have to take. Assuming we are talking about real power - power over onself - then it's something you simply have. Oppression is when you are made to forget that.
Yes, agreed. And many women are made to forget that due to the thinking and ideas some people have in this thread.
In the sentance abve I was refering to gender inequality. Im not saying that women should be doing what men are doing now, because thats only a role reversal and isnt solving any ineqality issue.
lil i have no problem with women being strong and independent at all, in fact i believe all oppression is wrong. all im sayin is that bein feminist for the sake of bein feminist is bad, if a woman decides ok, she dont want his name, and its a genuine feeling in her heart, then fine, but if she goes and reads some article in cosmo that tells her that doing something like this is letting a man oppress her, then its bullshit.
Originally posted by pr1983
lil i have no problem with women being strong and independent at all, in fact i believe all oppression is wrong. all im sayin is that bein feminist for the sake of bein feminist is bad, if a woman decides ok, she dont want his name, and its a genuine feeling in her heart, then fine, but if she goes and reads some article in cosmo that tells her that doing something like this is letting a man oppress her, then its bullshit.
See, this is what i dont get. Who is being femenist just for the sake of being femenist.
Femenism is an ideology, a set of ideas, call it wahtever you want, and people who are femenist are people who agree with those set of rules.
Thats like saying - oh yeah, hes being a Nazi for the sake of it. What the hell does that mean?
So if I read an article in Cosmo that tells me that Stalin was a murderer and I decide i dont like Stalin, thats bullshit - but If I read it in the Times literary supplement its valid info and any decision I make is ok.
In any case - Cosmo isn't exactly the feminist manifesto many scared men think it is.
See, this is what i dont get. Who is being femenist just for the sake of being femenist.Femenism is an ideology, a set of ideas, call it wahtever you want, and people who are femenist are people who agree with those set of rules.
Thats like saying - oh yeah, hes being a Nazi for the sake of it. What the hell does that mean?
first of all, different people are influenced by different things, some people are intelligent enough to know what they want, and some people are sheep, they'll go with whatever trend is fashionable at the time. I know feminism is an ideology, but there are different extremes of it, thats all. im just sayin is that when it comes to a decision as the one this thread is about, some women would let outside interference dictate their decisions, which is wrong. gender wars as a whole are going to shit. im just saying if a woman declines to take her husbands name just because she thinks itll make her independent shes wrong. its the little things that make a person who they are.
In any case - Cosmo isn't exactly the feminist manifesto many scared men think it is.
i didnt mean to say it was, i just was using it as an example.
first of all i dont. of course i would want my gf to take my name when i marry her, but its more for a feeling of being closer than ownership. if she decided not to, then sure id be disappointed, but id deal with it. i just think the whole womens rights/feminism thing has gone a little ott to be honest, its heading the way of a complete reversal, which would be shit. ive no problem with being equal, but nowadays i think its being taken too far in some ways.
Originally posted by pr1983
i would want my gf to take my name when i marry her, but its more for a feeling of being closer than ownership.
If you want to convince me that this is true then swear to me now that you will take her name. That you will insist on it. Shouldn't matter to you because it's not about ownership - its about closeness...
Yet the idea never seems to have occurred to you - why?
I'm not attacking anyone, but their point of views.
With that said, lilbitchiness..your point of view is wut sprouted from millions of women suffering from oppression.
Once tha basics [GOOD THINGS] were outa tha way like voting, owning property, job oppurtunities....women started to go too far [BAD THINGS]by targeting anything left over that WASN'T in any way making them suffer.
Bent on getting a sense of freedom by "liberating" themselves from stupid lil shit. tha result is women with unusually strong oppositions for everything. i mean you cant even say "men are physically stronger than women"[a statement that is correct for the most part], without hearing some ***** go on and on.
Not takin husbands last name/not doing housework/etc is tha full blown result. women should have rights and should be free to some extent, for men and women were not created by God as equals.
We are NOT equal, if we were equal then men shouldn't carry heavier loads, be more protective of women, show chivalry, etc.
I'm not saying [but i'm sure you women have already planned to ignore this] that women are not important, i think women are more important than men for they bear children. men can be sacrificed with less "loss" than women. but by all means, we are not equal...men will always be superior, we were meant to be. if not, our bodies would have been tha same...women would be equally powerfull, we would think equally, etc. we are superior for a reason, either ask God or evolution why.
But tha saddest part of all, is guys who feel overwhelmed by the femenist womens' voice. without totally thinking throughly, they say anything to make women happy and shut up. that isn't truth, that isn't being honest. thats just going with tha flow to keep from getting bitched at. I on tha other hand and guys like me, wont let women go too far.
"If you feed a dog a piece of a steak, it'll surely want tha whole. and another" I used that example because it was quick to think of [i'm not calling women dogs...sigh]. but that is wut has happened with tha femenist movement.
"we are not equal...men will always be superior, we were meant to be. if not, our bodies would have been tha same...women would be equally powerfull, we would think equally, etc. we are superior for a reason, either ask God or evolution why."
HAHAHAHAHAHA!! What a load of shit.
"But tha saddest part of all, is guys who feel overwhelmed by the femenist womens' voice. without totally thinking throughly, they say anything to make women happy and shut up. that isn't truth, that isn't being honest. thats just going with tha flow to keep from getting bitched at. I on tha other hand and guys like me, wont let women go too far."
Yeah, and women who want to keep their last name and don't want to live in teh kitchen are going to far I guess. "you won't let women go to far", like you have some control over them. They'll do what they want and they have every right to. Grow up, kid.
Originally posted by BackFire
"we are not equal...men will always be superior, we were meant to be. if not, our bodies would have been tha same...women would be equally powerfull, we would think equally, etc. we are superior for a reason, either ask God or evolution why."HAHAHAHAHAHA!! What a load of shit.
"But tha saddest part of all, is guys who feel overwhelmed by the femenist womens' voice. without totally thinking throughly, they say anything to make women happy and shut up. that isn't truth, that isn't being honest. thats just going with tha flow to keep from getting bitched at. I on tha other hand and guys like me, wont let women go too far."
Yeah, and women who want to keep their last name and don't want to live in teh kitchen are going to far I guess. "you won't let women go to far", like you have some control over them. They'll do what they want and they have every right to. Grow up, kid.
Its almost funny how you call me a kid for my views when many many adults have and do share it. plus growing up has nothing to do with my veiw.
Also, my WHOLE argument was that they are given too many rights and you responded by saying "They'll do what they want and they have every right to". they have every right because we gave them the right...obviously. 😆 Think outside of tha box man. tha box women put guys like you in.
I agree with old fashioned femenists that opposed issues that really mattered. like a single woman not allowed to work or own property is just horrible. but tha stuff that concerns tha issue today is just plain retarded.
I dont wana be with a woman that'll reject my last name. some guys have agreed with me which shows wut we want. clearly women said wut they want....so it cancels each other out. leaving only tradition. so tradition stands. 🙂
If you want to convince me that this is true then swear to me now that you will take her name. That you will insist on it. Shouldn't matter to you because it's not about ownership - its about closeness...Yet the idea never seems to have occurred to you - why?
it has, i never said it didnt, and id be happy to take it, if i could pronounce it.