btw, Battlehammer, two corrections to your biased points:
1. the chains Logan broke are unbreakable for regular humans, they're not truly unbreakable, as someone as weak as Wolverine broke it
2. Capt getting a blood clot shows that he had some health disorder while fighting Logan. You don't get a blood clot from being kicked by someone as you claim. You get blood clots when your blood coagulates improperly.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
btw, Battlehammer, two corrections to your biased points:1. the chains Logan broke are unbreakable for regular humans, they're not truly unbreakable, as someone as weak as Wolverine broke it
2. Capt getting a blood clot shows that he had some health disorder while fighting Logan. You don't get a blood clot from being kicked by someone as you claim. You get blood clots when your blood coagulates improperly.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
btw, Battlehammer, two corrections to your biased points:
Originally posted by Master-Borg
1. the chains Logan broke are unbreakable for regular humans, they're not truly unbreakable, as someone as weak as Wolverine broke it
come on are you an idiot? It was not supose to beable to be broken. It was thought to be unbreakable, it was not.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
2. Capt getting a blood clot shows that he had some health disorder while fighting Logan. You don't get a blood clot from being kicked by someone as you claim. You get blood clots when your blood coagulates improperly.
Logan clearly states that he gave capt the blood clot.
go read the issue before speaking.
also don't call me bias and that talk out your ass and show your own bias.
The irony.
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ya I mean the hardest steel in the world is only supose to be strong enough to hold normal human.........ya that makes senses.
come on are you an idiot? It was not supose to beable to be broken. It was thought to be unbreakable, it was not.
-- you think Spiderman could break those chains? how about sabretooth, venom, thing, rhino, etc, etc....yeah pretty much anyone could break those 'unbreakable' chains.
Logan clearly states that he gave capt the blood clot.
-- please explain to me how you give someone a blood clot?
Originally posted by Master-Borg-- you think Spiderman could break those chains? how about sabretooth, venom, thing, rhino, etc, etc....yeah pretty much anyone could break those 'unbreakable' chains.
anyone? Please characters like punisher, DD and ect have never broken chains that thick of steel let a lone chains of the strongest steel garenteed never to break.
Again it not the first time Logan broken a shackle stated to be unbreakable.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
[B]Logan clearly states that he gave capt the blood clot.-- please explain to me how you give someone a blood clot?
You should stop while your behind. I mean how many times in one day can one state I am wrong and bias to only be proven wrong time and again.
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins04page1jo3.jpg
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Ya they could becuases there stronger then wolverine.anyone? Please characters like punisher, DD and ect have never broken chains that thick of steel let a lone chains of the strongest steel garenteed never to break.
Again it not the first time Logan broken a shackle stated to be unbreakable.
You should stop while your behind. I mean how many times in one day can one state I am wrong and bias to only be proven wrong time and again.
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins04page1jo3.jpg
1. my point is that logan breaking the chains wasn't that impressive...Capt could do it too. Also, it proves that the chains obviously were not 'unbreakable' as you keep on blabbing about.
2. yeah, so no blood clot...a hematoma is basically a bruise
Originally posted by BattlehammerDon't people use a scan from that arc to try and prove Cap is better than everyone?
Fighting and there was an entire arc about it. The one were mr.x wanted Logan’s title of the best fighter there is. Each one of the character ive mention has stated Logan in reverence of the best fighter at some time or another.Also the x-men ultimate updated guide stated that “Wolverine is the best there is at what he does and what he does is fight”
Ultimate? Are you talking about the universe where Wolverine got ripped in half by Hulk?
Originally posted by BattlehammerAnd I asked if Wolverine had better strength feats to back up him being a whole step higher than Cap.
Yes, because you stated that you thought Captain America was the superior in strength. I found it funny since marvel writers tend to think that Logan is superior
Plus... doesn't Cap bench enough to put him in with the 10 tonners or something according to handbook qualifications?
Originally posted by BattlehammerAlmost every time they've fought.
What issue are you revering to?
Originally posted by BattlehammerSo... Spider-Man would fight like a tool against Cap then? Which would make him weaker, less durable, etc... ermm
Logan done similar and Spiderman does not few Wolverine like an idol as he does Captain America.
Originally posted by BattlehammerMight have to check it out some time...
Logan In Uncanny X-men 132 was made to weigh several tons and the floor made of stone and brick that was very thick gave out before he did.
Also, I don't know if that's as impressive... ermm
Originally posted by BattlehammerRough House doesn't fight everyone though.
So rough-house and rough house don’t job to every one.Capt did this? I like to see that.
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capthunder3kb2.jpg
Originally posted by BattlehammerI remember Jin telling me that it doesn't matter how strong Wolves is, it's his claws... or something like that...
It still requires great strength to cut through solid titanium.
Originally posted by BattlehammerHe said he lost it in the same scan.
If he had superhuman strength at all during the time would make it unusable as evidence.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I like to see evidence of theses feats you have presented.
Elevator:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3338/captainamericav303315dr7.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4476/captainamericav303316gr6.jpg
Nuke silo doors:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7842/capiii12p21gz7.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2135/capiii12p22bh4.jpg
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7582/capiii12p23jl5.jpg
And I remember Cap holding up a jeep... don't have a clue where to find it.
Originally posted by Battlehammer"Negative comments"
Were did I make fun of Captain America or disrespect him? I mean all I said was the truth. Alf was bitching so I told him he was only mad, because Captain America did not straight out beat Logan like he thought.Yes I find the thread funny due to Alf and Locard interpretations of events.
Didn't mean you were disrespecting Cap.
Originally posted by BattlehammerOK.
NopeHe beat Thing in a single attack here through speed and skill while mind controlled
http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wt3mxqs7.jpgNo differences then Capt using his shield.
Mind controlled... like, was he in control?
Also, that's because he sliced through his shoulder. Speed I'll give you, but it wasn't that great of a skill feat. 😬
Either way, Thing turtled like a b*tch. 🙂
I'm not using Cap using his shield though to compare the two... plus, Cap's shield doesn't permanently damage people... or is meant to kill them.
I was meaning to use skill, as in a well placed punch, or something of the sorts. Because Cap has to use his skill to even things up.
A n00b using Wolverine's claws could cause serious damage to class 100's.
I'm not saying he doesn't use skill with his claws... but in that instance? Not exactly the best example. Strategic perhaps.
However, Cap was outwrestling Starfox, and Black Knight... and Starfox was said to be fifty times stronger right before he got pwned.
Originally posted by BattlehammerAnd the reason Cap would be trying to crush Wolverine's tendons so his claws couldn't come out, would be?
That’s not would happened at all. Captain America tried to stab Logan’s claws into his own neck. Logan pulled them in and Captain America crushed his tendons and Logan returned the favor with a kick that caused Captain America a blood clot. No were in there was Captain America worried about killing Wolverine though Wolverine was worried about killing Captain America.
If it was a 'fair' fight, Cap wouldn't have had to be on top of Wolves crushing his tendons, and therefore wouldn't have been caught with a kick. 😬
And by fair, I mean on equal terms... no skeleton, no claws... meh.
Plus, would that knee have even worked on Cap? The man has taken bullet wounds without slowing down.
Originally posted by BattlehammerWhich would still make it an unfair fight either way...
Really that seemed rather fair, actually it seem to be in Captain Americas favor.
Haven't read that in a while, but by scans, Cap looked battle damaged before the fight. Judging by him being cut up and shit...
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Using only what is stated then Logan would be superior physically. Using feats the two of them are comparable physically.
Perhaps.
Originally posted by BattlehammerI'm still arguing schematics about them being equals.
Really why not then? If you could not draw that conclusion from comparable feats then you go by what they are stated in comics which would mean Logan is superior physically going by your logic that comparable feats do not work. Then the logical out come would go by stated strength levels in comics.
No one is equal judging by 'comparable' feats. 🙂
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Which feat do you wish me to compare of strength or skill that Capt has accomplish?Here are two feats of strength until I find out which ones of Captain America you wish me to match
Logan breaking a shackle while drugged and badly injured
http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=steelshatterqv1tj3kx3.jpgBreaking a chain stated to be unbreakable
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shattersteel2po6ur1tw5.jpg
So... do you want me to match these?
Somewhat comparable to the first. Breaking the bonds of chains.
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/7158/captainamericav302605ab5.jpg
Anyway, this seems pretty impossible. He bent the flaps of a jet from outside of it.
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericstrenf3dz2.jpg
Also, can I show Cap beating up Hulk, since you showed Logan bending supposedly unbreakable alloy? 😛
Originally posted by BattlehammerI like Doom more. 🙂
I like sentry a lot. lol
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F*ck. I forgot how taxing running to respect threads is (damn Cap, and him being somewhat foreign to me... and his f*cking unorganized thread).
I'm done here though.
Good debate. 🙂
If wolverine was dropped in the middle of the ocean he would sink due to his adamantium skeleton.
And if he would try to walk to shore he would eventually drown, right?
So if he somehow came back to life because of his healing factor, he would just drown and die again. Over and over again right.
I know you'll say that he can swim even though the added weight of his skeleton. But in a scenario that he sinks, he would die. How would he survive that? 🙂
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistHaven't read that in a while, but by scans, Cap looked battle damaged before the fight. Judging by him being cut up and shit...
the Origins fight? No, it was actually Wolverine who was damaged as he just finished fighting Nuke before Cap showed up. If that's not the fight you're referring to, then my bad.
Originally posted by Master-Borg
1. my point is that logan breaking the chains wasn't that impressive...Capt could do it too. Also, it proves that the chains obviously were not 'unbreakable' as you keep on blabbing about.2. yeah, so no blood clot...a hematoma is basically a bruise
babbling? It was stated on the dam scann. prehaps capt could do it perhaps not.
your an idiot it was a blood clot as stated in the fallowing scann,but thanks for showing your bias and trying to down play an event simply becuase it wolverine.
http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins04page1xt0.jpg
Just wondering why was the origins fight brought up, especially since the whole fight wasn't used, Cap was still fighting.
Not to mention Cap in origins shows much less skill than in every other story. But even in origins Wolverine acknowledges how good a fight Cap is, and he is even beaten by him once.
Originally posted by Mindset
Just wondering why was the origins fight brought up, especially since the whole fight wasn't used, Cap was still fighting.Not to mention Cap in origins shows much less skill than in every other story.
please don't be rediculous, capt showed just as much skill as he always does. He fought just like he does. Direct powerful attacks. Hell he even used an attack we never seen him pull before.
Originally posted by Mindset
You're seriously going to try and tell me Cap in origins is as impressive as in other stories, spare me, I've read all of origins and he isn't nearly as good.
Before you speak he used similar moves in there fight in captain america annual issue 8
