Captain America vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Cap has feats where he speeds by Molecule Man's attacks, and lays his ass out... And he hurt/dropped King Thor... beating up Hulk...
I don't really know if you want to go by feats to prove they're equal in that aspect. ermm

such as taking on pheniox, gladeator ect.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Isn't Cap considered [b]The Best?][/B]

They both have.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
The way I see it, and you can disagree if you want, is that Cap is stronger,

were do you come to this conclusion? Any evidence for why you think this?

I mean first capt listed as a peak human in strength, Logan been listed as beyond that. And Logan has shown that his berserker rage boost his strength even further.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
and is a better fighter

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
, while speed is debatable.
However, Wolverine has his skeleton, better chin (damage soak/durability), healing factor, and killer claws.

It equals victory for Wolverine.

srug

I agree that healing factor , skeleton equal logan winning, but the rest of your post i don't agree with nor do I see were you come to these conculsions.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Becuase you can't plain and simple.

actaully you mean a high calibur bullet through the eye that bounced around the skull repeatedly. No capt can not produce that kinda of damage.

we have also seen Logan take to explossions since down grade and was rather un phazed by them.

He have also seen him get eaten alive and was fine.

so yes were wolverine healing factor is at now is sitll beyond capt ability to really put down.

No actually I just meant a shot to the head. I already assumed you knew what instance I was talking about. And where did it say it bounced around in his skull repeatedly? You must have had the limited edition copy. 🙁

When did we see him take explosions since downgrade, I hope you don't mean in the X-men comics because I'd wait until his level is shown in his own comic. I don't know if the X-men/factor have gotten the memo yet. 😉 But I haven't read his comic since his downgrade, has him been in an explosion in it?

He got eaten whole and sliced his way out, that doesn't really say much about his healing factor.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
no way. lol.

Your looking at complete equals ecpt one of them has adamatium skeleton and healing factor

Cap is smarter (tactically) - he has to fight using his shield throw at angles that take the enemy by surprise

Cap is more experienced

Cap is larger in size (6'2 compared to 5'3) - which is an advantage, although a small one

Logan is more durable

Logan is more deadly (claws)

With logan's downgrade in HF, I think Cap has the slight edge now.

Wolverine has more experience, by quite a bit actually.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan been stated as the best so many times.

Logan brags about being the best at what he does, kinda biased source no?

Others talk about Capt being the best.

Originally posted by Mindset
Wolverine has more experience, by quite a bit actually.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
not really, Capt has been sent through a wormhole where he fought for hundreds of years

capt was sent back in time and the longest time was 50 years in which all he did was search for combatants to batttle a cosmic beining. Capt was never shown training nor did he even fight once untill the final battle.

so no your wrong he has less combat experience then Logan.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Logan brags about being the best at what he does, kinda biased source no?

Others talk about Capt being the best.

Actaully many individuals have stated that he the best such as night crawler, mister x, jublee, kitty and so forth.

not that many others actually.

it called hyperbole which both have gotten from others.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
thats speculation actually. and I deal with the rest of the crap you post fter im done with my home work.

you accuse me of speculation yet you make up stuff like bullets 'bouncing' inside Logan's skull? gimme a break

Originally posted by Master-Borg
you accuse me of speculation yet you make up stuff like bullets 'bouncing' inside Logan's skull? gimme a break

Im not speculating any thing.

"how the bullet feel bouncing around your adamatium skull"

you should read the issue before talking as if you are an authority on what occured in the comic that you never laid hands on let a lone read.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Im not speculating any thing.

"how the bullet feel bouncing around your adamatium skull"

you should read the issue before talking as if you are an authority on what occured in the comic that you never laid hands on let a lone read.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan has rediculous feats also. I was talking non pis feats and averages. But if you wanna go by rediculous pis feats Logan has a lot of them also.

such as taking on pheniox, gladeator ect.

And beating them? Actually fighting them? I know about the time he cut through Phoenix (couple times actually), but it's not like they were protected...
Don't know when he fought Glads though...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
no he not actually. Maybe in his comics, not in wolverines. Logan been stated as the best so many times.

They both have.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
were do you come to this conclusion? Any evidence for why you think this?

I mean first capt listed as a peak human in strength, Logan been listed as beyond that. And Logan has shown that his berserker rage boost his strength even further.

And Wolverine has better strength feats than Cap to back up this?

Also, some of Cap's strength feats include; punching around Spider-Man. Holding up tons of debris (a hunk of building I believe). KO'ing (an unprotected face, but still durable) Rhino. Almost every shield throw is a ridiculously hard throw. Curling 500 pounds... there's more... meh.

Also, any evidence to think the contrary?

Wolverine doesn't go beserker rage in every fight, so I can't see how that's relevant here... I mean, when you compare them, you usually compare regular Wolverine against regular Cap.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
and you think this due to? I mean they have comparable feats. And the oen time they colided on equal terms did not end well for capt.

Comparable? Wolverine's also beaten people 50 times stronger using only skill?

Are you talking about Origins? I haven't read that in a while. Scans?
Plus, if that's what you're talking about... equal terms don't equal an adamantium skeleton last I checked...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I agree that healing factor , skeleton equal logan winning, but the rest of your post i don't agree with nor do I see were you come to these conculsions.

🙂
And you feel the need to argue if anyone brings up their opinion of the two's powersets?

Also, there is no way the two are equal in everything even going by 'comparable feats'. There's always going to be a bit of difference, unless they absolutely stalemate, or something.

Anyway, personally, I would like to see all of the 'comparable feats' Wolverine has going for him against Cap. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
What is Cap's average then? Namor level? If everything's pis because Cap has 'peak human strength', then I guess he's a nothing in comics.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And beating them? Actually fighting them? I know about the time he cut through Phoenix (couple times actually), but it's not like they were protected...
Don't know when he fought Glads though...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
In Cap's comics, Avengers, etc... just all bias. Also, I don't care enough to look for everytime everyone's been stated the best... just know Cap has... a lot.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Because it's [b]my opinion!
Do I have to prove what I believe in everytime I bring it up? [/B]

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And Wolverine has better strength feats than Cap to back up this?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Also, some of Cap's strength feats include; punching around Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Holding up tons of debris (a hunk of building I believe).

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
KO'ing (an unprotected face, but still durable) Rhino.

Logan KO rough house before many times.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Almost every shield throw is a ridiculously hard throw.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Curling 500 pounds... there's more... meh.

You mean after he lost his super strength and likely still retain some of it?

Oh and Logan has thrown a trash dumbster with one arm…..lifted a wooden object the size of a tree, held and elevator up with one arm well full could go on and on. Those all far better then curling 500 pounds.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Wolverine doesn't go beserker rage in every fight, so I can't see how that's relevant here... I mean, when you compare them, you usually compare regular Wolverine against regular Cap.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Do I really need to repeat Cap's skill feats? I mean, I know you've seen them, since everytime I look through Cap's respect thread, there's always a negative post by you...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Comparable? Wolverine's also beaten people 50 times stronger using only skill?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Are you talking about Origins? I haven't read that in a while. Scans?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Plus, if that's what you're talking about... equal terms don't equal an adamantium skeleton last I checked...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Of course you do...

🙂
And you feel the need to argue if anyone brings up their opinion of the two's powersets?

No I simply felt like argueing. Generally thought that these to are physically the same, you disagree fine. I simply don’t agree nor see were you come to the conclusion that the character who stated in comics as enhanced or meta human. Is weaker then the character who stated repeatedly as peak-human.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Also, there is no way the two are equal in everything even going by 'comparable feats'. There's always going to be a bit of difference, unless they absolutely stalemate, or something.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Anyway, personally, I would like to see all of the 'comparable feats' Wolverine has going for him against Cap. 🙂

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Oh no not at all. I ment defeating foes like phoenix, thor and so on through pis means. Capt clearly beyond peakhuman. Or peak-human is clearly more powerful then we all think.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes fighting them capts not the only one with ridiculous feats. Most characters have them.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
logan has been stated the best a lot….. as well

Because I have no idea at what he does... maybe killing?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
If you don’t wish to then don’t respond. It really matters little to me.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Never said wolverine was stronger I said they were equal though I could list a few if you wish.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Something wolverines done as well.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan was made the weight of a few tons and did not fall, the floor gave out before he did. This floor was very very thick.

And did the same thing underneath a rocket launching...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Rhino? Come on now lol.

Logan KO rough house before many times.

Thunderball with one punch?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan cuts ridiculously hard material.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
You mean after he lost his super strength and likely still retain some of it?

Oh and Logan has thrown a trash dumbster with one arm…..lifted a wooden object the size of a tree, held and elevator up with one arm well full could go on and on. Those all far better then curling 500 pounds.

Cap also has better feats than curling 500 pounds... however, it's a defined number. 🙂

Cap tossed Terrax pretty easily over his head... and if bios mean anything, he weighs 2750 pounds...
Cap stopped a falling elevator with his shield... ermm
I also believe he threw a jeep once (that I might remember).
And closed silo doors with his own hands...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
True, but you were talking strength and Logan in berserker rage can amp his strength level.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No theres not. All I said was this “thread makes me laugh” or some shit and that was due to locard version of how capt fight with DD went down lol.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol your just pissed becuase you actually thought capt flat out beat logan lol

Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol I know I can always come to the capt respect thread for a good laugh.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
hahahahahaha god this thread is funny

Originally posted by Battlehammer
This thread is always good for a laugh

Originally posted by Battlehammer
You mean like rough house, thing so on?

'Cause I don't recall Wolverine ever KO'ing Thing with skill... unless we're talking about taking him down by strategically (I'll give you) stabbing him.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No scanner. Wolverine Origins issue 4: and issue 5: capt ends up being rush to the hospital. Logan healing factor was taxed before the fight started.

Ya they do when the person with the skeleton has not eaten or slept in close to a month, was also in a fight prior capt arrival and was cheap shotted

Even if. That's still not a fair fight...

I don't believe we've ever seen a 'fair' fight between the two... and especially not one comparing skill...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No I simply felt like argueing. Generally thought that these to are physically the same, you disagree fine. I simply don’t agree nor see were you come to the conclusion that the character who stated in comics as enhanced or meta human. Is weaker then the character who stated repeatedly as peak-human.

How do you draw the conclusion that they're equal then, using what is stated?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not really. They really could be complete equals physically or so close there no way to tell which one is superior in one way or another.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
In what area? And whats the point not like you will change your mind or even respond with superior feats.

Perhaps. However, I always hear of 'comparable feats' without actually seeing these.

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On a more relevant note... Comic day tomorrow!

I hope Doom f*cking owns Sentry. 131

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Evidently.

Of course, but people like Cap, and Batman's ridiculous feats are so far beyond what a 'peak human' (or even a human) can do, it's sort of ridiculous.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
At what he does, or at fighting?

Because I have no idea at what he does... maybe killing?

Also the x-men ultimate updated guide stated that “Wolverine is the best there is at what he does and what he does is fight”

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I know, but you felt the need to ask what I base my opinion off of.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
You brought up that Cap was listed at a peak human level, while Wolverine was listed beyond that... so in a way...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Cap made Spider-Man look weaker by comparison...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And let's not forget Iron Spidey...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Ya, but Cap was holding up large pieces of a skyscraper...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Rhino is still pretty durable...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Thunderball with one punch?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
With molecularly sharp claws.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Fudge if I know. Still, curling 500 pounds is more than a peak human...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Cap tossed Terrax pretty easily over his head... and if bios mean anything, he weighs 2750 pounds...
Cap stopped a falling elevator with his shield... ermm
I also believe he threw a jeep once (that I might remember).
And closed silo doors with his own hands...

Ya... still though. 😬

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Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
From one page...

Yes I find the thread funny due to Alf and Locard interpretations of events.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Are you talking about stunning Thing after he was thrown at him?

Nope

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
'Cause I don't recall Wolverine ever KO'ing Thing with skill... unless we're talking about taking him down by strategically (I'll give you) [b]stabbing him. [/B]

No differences then Capt using his shield.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Ya, just saw it. And Cap got the injury because he was worried about jamming Wolverine's claws, so he didn't get cut, or killed.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Even if. That's still not a fair fight...

I don't believe we've ever seen a 'fair' fight between the two... and especially not one comparing skill...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
OK.

How do you draw the conclusion that they're equal then, using what is [b]stated? [/B]

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
They could be... but we certainly can't tell that just from 'comparable' feats.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Strength and skill.

Perhaps. However, I always hear of 'comparable feats' without actually seeing these.

Here are two feats of strength until I find out which ones of Captain America you wish me to match

Logan breaking a shackle while drugged and badly injured
http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=steelshatterqv1tj3kx3.jpg

Breaking a chain stated to be unbreakable
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shattersteel2po6ur1tw5.jpg

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Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
On a more relevant note... Comic day tomorrow!

I hope Doom f*cking owns Sentry. 131

I like sentry a lot. lol

Unbreakable steel chains, lol.

Originally posted by Mindset
Unbreakable steel chains, lol.

What's funnier is Logan actually has an unbreakable metal on his bones

Originally posted by Mindset
What's funnier is Logan actually has an unbreakable metal on his bones

The scan above that one I like more it so much better if you have read the issue.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I found it funny since marvel writers tend to think that Logan is superior