Battlehammer
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Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Don't people use a scan from that arc to try and prove Cap is better than everyone?
Anyway, OK. 🙂
Only Captain America fan boys who interpret the scene incorrectly. Though it rather foolish to interpret the scene in such away, when later in the arc. Mr.x says those names mean nothing to me and insults both captain America and daredevil.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Ultimate? Are you talking about the universe where Wolverine got ripped in half by Hulk?
No its simply the title of the guide. It’s info on the 616 x-men team.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Plus... doesn't Cap bench enough to put him in with the 10 tonners or something according to handbook qualifications?
Capt never been listed beyond peak-human in the hand books.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Almost every time they've fought.
I think you are mistaken. Captain America has never been shown to look stronger then Spiderman in 616 universes.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
So... Spider-Man would fight like a tool against Cap then? Which would make him weaker, less durable, etc... ermm
He did fight like a tool. But no it won’t make him weaker or less durable. But I am not sure why this is such a feat I mean Captain America is easily skilled enough and strong enough to damage Spiderman
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Might have to check it out some time...Also, I don't know if that's as impressive... ermm
Go a head. Why would it be not as impressive? I mean for starters we know it was tons and implied more then simply two. We also know that he became so heavy that the extremely thick floor gave out before he did. That’s quite a feat.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Rough House doesn't fight everyone though.
True, but the people he does fight he does not job too.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capthunder3kb2.jpg
Nice though he bee only a 30 tonner. He also looked as if he fought jane prior to Captain America’s assault.
Logan did similar in the new avenger’s annual issue 1 if not mistaken.
Here a cool feat
http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=claws200603page05xs3id5.jpg
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Sexrax:
http://img276.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv2012288ui.jpg
That looked as if he used a judo throw of sorts. That would mean he did simply lift that weight he used Sexrax momentum.
So that’s really not a strength feat.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Elevator:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3338/captainamericav303315dr7.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4476/captainamericav303316gr6.jpg
Not bad. Though not quite sure how impressive it really is.
This feat of Logan holding and elevator full of people seems a good deal superior.
http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supportelevatorxa0jn4ns5.jpg
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Nuke silo doors:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7842/capiii12p21gz7.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2135/capiii12p22bh4.jpg
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7582/capiii12p23jl5.jpg
No idea how much strength that would require nor is there a way to figure it out so I am going to assume this is as impressive lol.
http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d3b7c104rv7.jpgOriginally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And I remember Cap holding up a jeep... don't have a clue where to find it.
That’s ultimate Captain America if not mistaken.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
"Negative comments"Didn't mean you were disrespecting Cap.
K cool.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
OK.Mind controlled... like, was he in control?
He had been brainwashed. He was fighting him self, but at the same time he would likely have done even better if he had not been forced to attack fantastic 4, but rather of his own choosing.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Also, that's because he sliced through his shoulder. Speed I'll give you, but it wasn't that great of a skill feat. 😬
It was due to the fact it dropped thing right away. That was likely due to the fact that area of the arm holds a large nerve cluster.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Either way, Thing turtled like a b*tch. 🙂
lol
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I'm not using Cap using his shield though to compare the two... plus, Cap's shield doesn't permanently damage people... or is meant to kill them.
True, but it helps add damage to Captain Americas attacks as well as aid him in defense.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I was meaning to use skill, as in a well placed punch, or something of the sorts. Because Cap has to use his skill to even things up.
His shield aids him there in both attacking and keeping him alive.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
A n00b using Wolverine's claws could cause serious damage to class 100's.
Perhaps, but not nearly as effectively. Nor could they put 100’ classes down so quickly.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
However, Cap was outwrestling Starfox, and Black Knight... and Starfox was said to be fifty times stronger right before he got pwned.
What issue?
Logan out fought and grapple warpath back when he was a bad guy and would have defeated him to if not for being distracted by kitty pride which got him sucker punched.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And the reason Cap would be trying to crush Wolverine's tendons so his claws couldn't come out, would be?
Certainly not because they are dangerous...
To Captain America. I thought you said Captain America was trying not to hurt Wolverine.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
If it was a 'fair' fight, Cap wouldn't have had to be on top of Wolves crushing his tendons, and therefore wouldn't have been caught with a kick. 😬
It was fair for Capt. Capt had his shield and Logan his claws. Bother were armed, with there weapon of choice making it quite fair.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And by fair, I mean on equal terms... no skeleton, no claws... meh.
Are you serous? It could not have gotten any fairer for Capt. Capt had his shield and armor. Wolverine had not eaten or slept in close to a month. Logan had just been in a fight and Capt attacked him from behind……….and your acting like wolverine had an unfair advantage………
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Plus, would that knee have even worked on Cap? The man has taken bullet wounds without slowing down.
You mean kick and why would it not? Is Capt now immune to pressure points and so forth? A bullet does not have the knowledge and skill of an individual who has spent over 100 years fighting and training like Wolverine.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Haven't read that in a while, but by scans, Cap looked battle damaged before the fight. Judging by him being cut up and shit...
Nope not at all. Captain America was not damaged before the fight, but Logan was.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Sure. Bio strength...Perhaps.
No I mean stated in comics and implied in comics.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I'm still arguing schematics about them being equals.No one is equal judging by 'comparable' feats. 🙂
lol
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Both preferably.So... do you want me to match these?
Somewhat comparable to the first. Breaking the bonds of chains.
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/7158/captainamericav302605ab5.jpg
Anyway, this seems pretty impossible. He bent the flaps of a jet from outside of it.
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericstrenf3dz2.jpg
If you wish to.
The first really is not comparable. He did not break it in such away as wolverine, which would have been far harder to do. He also did not do so while poison, drugged and extremely weaken from the beating he had taken to the point were he almost dies after breaking out of the chain and fighting omega red for a few seconds.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Also, can I show Cap beating up Hulk, since you showed Logan bending supposedly unbreakable alloy? 😛
lol
I like Doom more. 🙂
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F*ck. I forgot how taxing running to respect threads is (damn Cap, and him being somewhat foreign to me... and his f*cking unorganized thread).
I'm done here though.
Good debate. 🙂 [/B][/QUOTE]
You to my friend. see you later .
