Originally posted by BattlehammerWas there any winner in any of those?
nope I posted the issue numbersOne fight Logan had mind of a were wolf
another was the origins fight.
one was in capt annual number 8 which ended after a few attacks, becuases a giant robot showed up.
last one was another origins fight in issue 21 I believe.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Was there any winner in any of those?
ya wolverine with the mind of a were wolf beat capt.
Origin issue 4 fight wolverine gave capt a blood clot and ended up victor.
annaul one was far to short to tell.
last origins fight back during ww2 was interrupted. Capt had the advantage though capt was armed and Logan was not. Capt was enrage and going all out becuases he believed wolverine a traitor Wolverine however was trying to save capt life,but capt did not know it. Wolverine also stated his heart was not in the fight and did not wish to harm or hurt capt if not mistaken.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Elektra got the jump on Wolverine, who was in the middle of a fight, mind controlled and was being kept alive by a machine five minutes earlier... I think its safe to say he was off his game. Wolverine and Cap are basically equal in fighting skill, Cap can't afford to attempt to use pressure points; besides the one time pressure points worked on Wolverine he was severely poisoned and trying to fight honorably.The point of that Batcave is there aren't random things scattered about for Cap to use in battle, it is a straight up fight not a scenario battle.
What issue did Electra got the jump on Wolverine?
Originally posted by BattlehammerI'm going to criticize your point of view. Then I'm going to offer a commentary on it:
ya wolverine with the mind of a were wolf beat capt.Origin issue 4 fight wolverine gave capt a blood clot and ended up victor.
annaul one was far to short to tell.
last origins fight back during ww2 was interrupted. Capt had the advantage though capt was armed and Logan was not. Capt was enrage and going all out becuases he believed wolverine a traitor Wolverine however was trying to save capt life,but capt did not know it. Wolverine also stated his heart was not in the fight and did not wish to harm or hurt capt if not mistaken.
1) By your reasoning, since Cap didn't want to hurt Wolverine in that fight, you could say that his heart wasn't in it either, so it wasn't really a win for Wolverine either. And although Wolverine was on top of him, Cap was ready to move his shield into a blocking position, but then the fight was abruptly interrupted by a 3rd party before it ended. Furthermore, as I remember in a 'Punisher v. Wolverine' thread, you wholeheartedly argued that unless there was some sort of pure knockout or kill, that a fight cannot be considered a win. So if Wolverine hadn't knocked out or killed Cap in the werewolf fight, why do you consider that a win for Wolverine? What's going on here?
2) Actually, if you remember, Wolverine surrendered to Cap, who made him march with his hands behind his head. So... how was this a win? I foresee that you will reply that Cap was writhing on the ground defenseless when suffering a blood clot, but if you read the fight again... Nuke interrupted the forced military march by grabbing Cap's foot. Then after being slashed and going into a berserker rage, Wolverine clocked Cap from behind while he was still distracted by Nuke and that's when the blood clot started taking its toll. How can anyone call that part of the fight a fair win for Wolverine?
3) I actually never read it. Anyone got scans?
4) He never said he didn't wish to hurt or harm Cap. He was proud that he got a couple of licks in on Cap according to his thought captions. And Cap was putting the hurt on him before the shield came out, also according to his thought captions. But I pretty much agree with you on the general tone of the fight. Wolverine's heart wasn't in it and it was an elaborate plan to sacrifice himself for Cap's and Bucky's benefit while still finishing his mission. And anyway, Bucky interrupted the fight before it was finished. And bottom-line, neither of them had anywhere near the fighting experience they have now to make that fight relevant to the current debate.
As you can see, I'm criticizing your point of view, which is common among several posters. Your general take on the 2nd 'Origins' fight is pretty much spot on, but that logic doesn't seem to extend to the other fights you listed and described. Your descriptions of the first two fights are too neat and lack the thoughtfulness you put into explaining why Wolverine appeared to get pummeled in the last fight. I'm comfortable calling bias, but I'm more interested in hearing your counter argument to my criticisms.
Til then: Cap 6/10 (for many reasons extending far beyond this post).
Cap would figure out a way to beat Logan. No matter how bad the fight was, Cap would win, because that’s who Captain America is-the guy who wins anyway. Sure, Wolverine’s got healing powers, and an adamantium skeleton, oh, and the claws… But that would just make it easier for Cap, because he’d know he could drop a semi-truck on him from 50 stories and not kill him.
Originally posted by Rorschach
Cap would figure out a way to beat Logan. No matter how bad the fight was, Cap would win, because that’s who Captain America is-the guy who wins anyway. Sure, Wolverine’s got healing powers, and an adamantium skeleton, oh, and the claws… But that would just make it easier for Cap, because he’d know he could drop a semi-truck on him from 50 stories and not kill him.
is that a serous arguement?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I wanna see it!!!! durhulk
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off hand i remember him facing; superman, logan loses cause they believe his claws would bounce off of his force field and bend(???) then hv reduces him to a skeleton; wolverine vs darth vader, wolverine loses by the force and lightsaber being able to pass through his bones; logan vs optimus prime, forget this one, maybe prime due to size; vs batman, rorschach quoted it, same with the captain american one in another thread; wolverine vs space ghost, sg wins if he unleashes his energy all the way.
probably missed one or two but who cares, they pitted logan against some characters he has no business fighting.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
off hand i remember him facing; superman, logan loses cause they believe his claws would bounce off of his force field and bend(???) then hv reduces him to a skeleton; wolverine vs darth vader, wolverine loses by the force and lightsaber being able to pass through his bones; logan vs optimus prime, forget this one, maybe prime due to size; vs batman, rorschach quoted it, same with the captain american one in another thread; wolverine vs space ghost, sg wins if he unleashes his energy all the way.probably missed one or two but who cares, they pitted logan against some characters he has no business fighting.
wtf why would his claws bounce off.... supes fanboyism is afoot! detective
Originally posted by Rorschach
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Lol... Cap wins.. why? be...because he's CAP DAMMIT! He'll find a way!
