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"Head-butted me...about to get slashed...gotta get shield in position."- Cap

"Must move n--?!?"- Cap

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Ha-Son
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"Head-butted me...about to get slashed...gotta get shield in position."- Cap
"Must move n--?!?"- Cap

....right because somebody stunned him in the neck with a dart gun that means Wolverine won?

Ha-Son Restricted

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
....right because somebody stunned him in the neck with a dart gun that means Wolverine won?

No because he was about to get slashed, if he hadn't been stunned he would've been killed. 😐

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Ha-Son
No because he was about to get slashed, if he hadn't been stunned he would've been killed. 😐

Right so Cap could'nt have put up his shield in time?

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Right so Cap could'nt have put up his shield in time?

No, even if he tried Wolverine had his arm in the way, blocking the shield.

Battlehammer Senior Member

QUOTE=10571949]Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well lets see Namor has a HF and Cap Koed him underwater. [/QUOTE]
Namor not wolverine nor does he have wolverines level of healing.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Cap also breifly stunned Professor Hulk who has a greater HF and is more durable than Wolverine.

Umm no he does not. Professor hulk has never shown to even have Logan’s level of healing let alone greater. Also Hulk has shown to be effected by pressure points, which is something Logan has shown time and again to unaffected by.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Cap can also take out Wolverine via the nuts or back of the head.

Pleases that would not work and you know it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
To be fair Wolverine was really messed up when Cap did that but US Agent, Pip The Troll and Cyclops have all been able to KO Wolverine via back of the head when hes not weakened.

………..actaully Logan had spent the entire day fighting when both US agent and pip hit him……….

Also US Agent and Pip are far stronger then Capt so it quite irrelevant.

Also Logan was not even shown Ko from pip assault and it speculation to assume he was.

As for Cyclopes are you kidding me? First Logan was being messed with mentally……..then he got taken by surprised and Cyclopes blast is far more powerful then Capt is.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I see Cap as applying skill better and is the better fighter and adding to that

I don’t agree nor is there really any evidences which supports this.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap's mind is enhanced, unlike Logan.

Were do you get this crap from? Who ever said capt mind was enhances and Logans was not?

Hell in order to freaking view a bullet in slow motion Logan’s mind would have to be enhances…………

Originally posted by Daredevil1
But no I don't view Logan as Cap without a healing factor. Logan although skillful but because of his animalistic fighting tends too look savage and bad against Daredevil, Electra, Ironfist, Mystique.

Logan did bad vs DD? He defeated DD in 5 pannels………..something capt never done……

Capt never even fought Elektra or mystigue and Logan did better vs cross bones then capt ever done.

Iron Fist fight was prior to the development of logans character so that a rather bad example.

Don't get me wrong Logan beats them as well IMO.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Wolveirne didn't win that fight IIRC.
Logan was about to slash as Cap was about to put his shield in position to block. Then Moonknight put a KO dart in Cap which ended the fight not Logan.
Logan had the "advantage" in the end. That I must say.

Are you kidding me? Logan held capt down and could have slashed him, but instead allowed for moon guy to uses a dart on capt.

There is no way in hell capt would have gotten his shield up in time. For starters he was dazed, would have taken more time to put his shield into places then it would for logan to strike and on top of that wolverines at least capt equal in speed.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Ha-Son
No, even if he tried Wolverine had his arm in the way, blocking the shield.

All Cap needed to do is stretch his arm over and it would have blocked the strike.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
All Cap needed to do is stretch his arm over and it would have blocked the strike.

No, again Wolverine has his arm in the way already, his left knee is under caps armpit making it very difficult for Cap to bump him off, and his right knee is in position to easily block the shield from being moved. All this while Cap is being choked.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Ha-Son
No, again Wolverine has his arm in the way already, his left knee is under caps armpit making it very difficult for Cap to bump him off, and his right knee is in position to easily block the shield from being moved. All this while Cap is being choked.

not to mention all Logan had to do was slash down wards or simply pop his claws and capt would die.

Ha-Son Restricted

Originally posted by Battlehammer
not to mention all Logan had to do was slash down wards or simply pop his claws and capt would die.

lol, exactly.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Namor not wolverine nor does he have wolverines level of healing.

Ok so its harder to pressure current Wolverine than Namor underwater?

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Umm no he does not. Professor hulk has never shown to even have Logan’s level of healing let alone greater. Also Hulk has shown to be
effected by pressure points, which is something Logan has shown time and again to unaffected by.

Grey Hulk got impaled by Wolverine and healed within seconds. Professor Hulk is stronger his HF was better and is most likely more powerful than Wolverines at the moment.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Pleases that would not work and you know it.

Worked for Punisher and Puck.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

………..actaully Logan had spent the entire day fighting when both US agent and pip hit him……….

I dont think Wolverine had been fighting the entire day when he got Koed by Pip.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Also US Agent and Pip are far stronger then Capt so it quite irrelevant.

Yeah because im sure US Agent and Pip can KO Thunderball with one shot or drop The Executionner with a shield throw. 👆

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Also Logan was not even shown Ko from pip assault and it speculation to assume he was.

Yeah Wolverine hit the deck, pure speculation.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

As for Cyclopes are you kidding me? First Logan was being messed with mentally……..then he got taken by surprised and Cyclopes blast is far more powerful then Capt is.

LOL The danger room affected his sense of smell therefore his HF was depleted. Again Cyclops could not stop a weaker version of The Hulk , Cap stunned one of the most powerful versions.

Obvoulsy Cyclops blast is more powerful but in specific circumstances Caps blows have been shown to be more effective eg Hulk.

Originally posted by Ha-Son
No, again Wolverine has his arm in the way already, his left knee is under caps armpit making it very difficult for Cap to bump him off, and his right knee is in position to easily block the shield from being moved. All this while Cap is being choked.

Well at any rate Cap got into that position because he was trying to talk him out of mind control. That would never have happened in a proper fight.

Cap was not being choked either. It seems its ubjective to me so im just going to leave it as he could not have got into that position if he had'nt tried to talk to him.

Daredevil1 Senior Member

Originally posted by Battlehammer

There is no way in hell capt would have gotten his shield up in time. For starters he was dazed, would have taken more time to put his shield into places then it would for logan to strike and on top of that wolverines at least capt equal in speed.

Prove it. Wolverine may be Cap's equal in speed. I never stated other wise. But you'll have a darn time proving Cap couldn't block Logans shield had Moonknight not interfered.

Bottom line is thats your assumption. Logan had the advantage in the end. I don't see whats wrong with just that.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well at any rate Cap got into that position because he was trying to talk him out of mind control. That would never have happened in a proper fight.

Cap was still fighting Wolverine when he got into that position. Yes, it could happen.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Ha-Son
Cap was still fighting Wolverine when he got into that position. Yes, it could happen.

Nope he left himself open because he was trying to talk to him. He would not have done that if Wolverine were not mind-controlled.

Ha-Son Restricted

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nope he left himself open because he was trying to talk to him. He would not have done that if Wolverine were not mind-controlled.

The reason he left himself open was because Wolverine was trying to slash him, so he grabbed Logan's arms to prevent that from happening but he ended up getting head-butted and dropped.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok so its harder to pressure current Wolverine than Namor underwater?

Yes. Namor has shown to be effctd by pressure point attacks logan has not. The only differences with namor being underwater is it would take more forces to effectively achieve the pressure point assault.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Grey Hulk got impaled by Wolverine and healed within seconds.

Yea and? Logan taken worses with out being KOed………..

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Professor Hulk is stronger his HF was better and is most likely more powerful than Wolverines at the moment.

What did professor hulk due to suggest his healing factor was greater then grey hulks? Pleases I love to see some evidences.

Nothing professor hulk has done hf wises puts him on current wolverines level.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Worked for Punisher and Puck.

Umm no…………actually the puck incident disproves your punisher statement……….Logan was not taken out by pucks attack and puck is>>>>>Capt in strength……….

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont think Wolverine had been fighting the entire day when he got Koed by Pip.

Then you think wrong……..

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah because im sure US Agent and Pip can KO Thunderball with one shot or drop The Executionner with a shield throw. 👆

………there both far stronger then capt…………….

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah Wolverine hit the deck, pure speculation.

………he was knocked over by the assault not KOed like I said it pure speculation to believe he was

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL The danger room affected his sense of smell therefore his HF was depleted.

Were did I say his healing factor was depleted?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again Cyclops could not stop a weaker version of The Hulk , Cap stunned one of the most powerful versions.

So were now using a low end showing for Cyclopes and a high end showing for capt as the norm?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Obvoulsy Cyclops blast is more powerful but in specific circumstances Caps blows have been shown to be more effective eg Hulk

Not really. Wolverine not hulk.

So this is quite dumb and irrelevant and bad debating to uses Cyclopes low end showing as a norm.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well at any rate Cap got into that position because he was trying to talk him out of mind control. That would never have happened in a proper fight.

Logan would not have the mind of an idiot werewolf in a real fight either……..

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Prove it. Wolverine may be Cap's equal in speed. I never stated other wise. But you'll have a darn time proving Cap couldn't block Logans shield had Moonknight not interfered.
Bottom line is thats your assumption. Logan had the advantage in the end. I don't see whats wrong with just that.

Proving what?

Fact Logan was in an easier spot to strike capt then capt was to block.

Fact it take less time for Logan to strike or pop his claws then it would for capt to block.

Fact there have almost equal speed.

Fact Logans arm was blocking were capt would need to put his shield.

Fact capt was dazed.

So some how capt is going to overcome all this and get his shield in places vs an opponent who just as fast as he is………….doubtful.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Ha-Son
The reason he left himself open was because Wolverine was trying to slash him, so he grabbed Logan's arms to prevent that from happening but he ended up getting head-butted and dropped.

Ok I see so if you were trying to KO an opponent one tactic you would use is to hold their arms apart? 👆

Next time you get into a fight give it a try, hold there arms apart and wait for them to get Koed.

Battlehammer Senior Member

................he was trying not to get stabbed...............and we know capt was trying to KO Logan...........I mean he even states he was putting every thing he had in his punch earlier in the fight............

Daredevil1 Senior Member

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Proving what?
Fact Logan was in an easier spot to strike capt then capt was to block.
Fact it take less time for Logan to strike or pop his claws then it would for capt to block.
Fact there have almost equal speed.
Fact Logans arm was blocking were capt would need to put his shield.
Fact capt was dazed.
So some how capt is going to overcome all this and get his shield in places vs an opponent who just as fast as he is………….doubtful.

Capt could have easily have blocked and adjusted his own skill to get out of that situation since Logan was in berzerk mode he could have easily rolled him off as he loses positioning with a strike. This is assumption on my part just like your's is above.

Capt was hurt but he was already thinking of what to do too counter. That is a fact.

You assuming he couldn't do anything is not a fact. I already stated Logan had the advantage at the end of that fight. But clearly you don't see it as enough and apply wishful thinking. For your position.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok I see so if you were trying to KO an opponent one tactic you would use is to hold their arms apart? 👆
Next time you get into a fight give it a try, hold there arms apart and wait for them to get Koed.

No, he was trying to defend himself, because Wolverine lunged at him to quickly. He was trying to KO him but found himself in a defensive position; thus, grabbing Wolverine's arms. If he had managed to get create enough space between him and Wolverine, he would've gone back to striking with him. However, because of the lack of space Cap was forced to grapple, and got head-butted.