Captain America vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Battlehammer
................he was trying not to get stabbed...............and we know capt was trying to KO Logan...........I mean he even states he was putting every thing he had in his punch earlier in the fight............

No as Cap stated he was trying to knock some sense into Logan. I'm sure Cap's knows he can't KO Logan with one punch. Even if its his "best" punch.

Cap would have to do that punch "repeatedly" to KO Logan. But anyhow Cap even holds Logan in position and tries to talk sense to him.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Capt could have easily have blocked and adjusted his own skill to get out of that situation since Logan was in berzerk mode he could have easily rolled him off as he loses positioning with a strike. This is assumption on my part just like your's is above.

Do you honestly believe this crap you just said? I mean really?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Capt was hurt but he was already thinking of what to do too counter. That is a fact.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
You assuming he couldn't do anything is not a fact. I already stated Logan had the advantage at the end of that fight. But clearly you don't see it as enough and apply wishful thinking. For your position.

How is it wishful thinking?

Is not Logan as fast as capt?

Is not Logan arm in the way of capt shield being put into places to block the attack?

Is not Logan in a better situation to attack at a faster rate then capt to block?

Is capt not dazed?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes. Namor has shown to be effctd by pressure point attacks logan has not. The only differences with namor being underwater is it would take more forces to effectively achieve the pressure point assault.

Namor was underwater which means he was more powerful, so no thats not the only difference.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Yea and? Logan taken worses with out being KOed………..

So Grey Hulk was Koed was he?

Originally posted by Battlehammer

What did professor hulk due to suggest his healing factor was greater then grey hulks? Pleases I love to see some evidences.

Nothing professor hulk has done hf wises puts him on current wolverines level.

Hes more powerful..duh.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Umm no…………actually the puck incident disproves your punisher statement……….Logan was not taken out by pucks attack and puck is>>>>>Capt in strength……….

No it does not Wolverine ran into Punishers baseball bat, its Wolverines momentum combined with Punsihers force of the baseball bat. Puck punches are not as effective as Caps.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Then you think wrong……..

Prove it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

………there both far stronger then capt…………….

Caps punches are still far more effective, duh.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

………he was knocked over by the assault not KOed like I said it pure speculation to believe he was

Yeah I know if somebody hits the deck does'nt get up its speculation they were Koed. Hell im pretty sure he even saw stars.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Were did I say his healing factor was depleted?

So why are you bringing it up?

Originally posted by Battlehammer

So were now using a low end showing for Cyclopes and a high end showing for capt as the norm?

So its a low showing for cylops not being able to stop Grey Hulk. haermm

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Not really. Wolverine not hulk.

So this is quite dumb and irrelevant and bad debating to uses Cyclopes low end showing as a norm.

Its relevant because Professor Hulk is harder to Ko than Wolverine but Cap stunned him. Cyclops was not able to stun a weaker version of the Hulk, get it?

Originally posted by Battlehammer

Logan would not have the mind of an idiot werewolf in a real fight either……..

No but the beserker rage made him harder to put down.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Capt could have easily have blocked and adjusted his own skill to get out of that situation since Logan was in berzerk mode he could have easily rolled him off as he loses positioning with a strike. This is assumption on my part just like your's is above.

Capt was hurt but he was already thinking of what to do too counter. That is a fact.

You assuming he couldn't do anything is not a fact. I already stated Logan had the advantage at the end of that fight. But clearly you don't see it as enough and apply wishful thinking. For your position.

Originally posted by Ha-Son
No, he was trying to defend himself, because Wolverine lunged at him to quickly.

Nope. Cap said "All-right--now while he's in midair". He knew exactly what he was doing and Wolverine was not too quick.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
No as Cap stated he was trying to knock some sense into Logan. I'm sure Cap's knows he can't KO Logan with one punch. Even if its his "best" punch.

Cap would have to do that punch "repeatedly" to KO Logan. But anyhow Cap even holds Logan in position and tries to talk sense to him.

Good luck trying to convince them, its seems subjective to me.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nope. Cap said "All-right--now while he's in midair". He knew exactly what he was doing and Wolverine was not too quick.

Good luck trying to convince them, its seems subjective to me.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Namor was underwater which means he was more powerful, so no thats not the only difference.

…………which would mean you need more forces to make a pressure point attack effect him…………and again he not wolverine.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So Grey Hulk was Koed was he?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hes more powerful..duh.

Professor hulk is stronger perhaps, but he never showed greater healing.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No it does not Wolverine ran into Punishers baseball bat, its Wolverines momentum combined with Punsihers force of the baseball bat.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Puck punches are not as effective as Caps.

…………..are you kidding me……….are you realy trying to tell me capt could do more damage then Puck who vastly stronger and more durable…………

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Caps punches are still far more effective, duh.

He knows were to hit better and is more skilled, but he not nearly as strong nor can produces closes to the forces they can.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah I know if somebody hits the deck does'nt get up its speculation they were Koed. Hell im pretty sure he even saw stars.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So why are you bringing it up?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So its a low showing for cylops not being able to stop Grey Hulk. haermm

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Its relevant because Professor Hulk is harder to Ko than Wolverine but Cap stunned him. Cyclops was not able to stun a weaker version of the Hulk, get it?

Are you really trying to say that capt attack>>>Cyclopes?

Becuases if you are you being an idiot. Cyclopes is far more powerful and would be far more damaging then anything capt could do.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No but the beserker rage made him harder to put down.

He had the mind of a werewolf. That’s not berserker or even closes to it. Capt speculated that Logan was in berserker becuases he attacked him. Capt never even seen Logan in berserker, so him speculating that logan in berserker means nothing.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan was not berserker……..if he was capt be dead.

Do you honestly believe this crap you just said? I mean really?

Well considering Logan was not talking or comphrehending if he wasn't in berserk mode he definitly wasn't acting according as a regular man.

……….no he was thinking I got to get shield into position which was the only hope he had

Except the last time Logan got on Cap which was in that very same fight Cap threw his legs and threw Logan off. Prove it.

How is it wishful thinking?

Is not Logan as fast as capt?

Is not Logan arm in the way of capt shield being put into places to block the attack?

Is not Logan in a better situation to attack at a faster rate then capt to block?

Is capt not dazed?

Yes Logan is as fast as Cap. No Cap can put the shield in the area to block.

Yes Logan can attack at a faster rate but thats when skill, position and leverage can come into play so its not the be all end all situation.

Yes Capt was a bit hurt but far from not being able to do anything. Fact is Logan had the advantage nothing wrong with that. But Cap was not done as some of you want to believe.

Originally posted by Ha-Son
No, he said that because he was trying to roll Wolverine over. That's why he said "Got him".

So why was he trying to roll Wolverine over and why did he say Got him? Was cap planning to just hold him there? He could have decided to hit him in mid-air why did he decide to hold him instead?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
…………which would mean you need more forces to make a pressure point attack effect him…………and again he not wolverine.

Yes or did you miss his lifeless body on the ground……….

Like I thought you have no prove.

Professor hulk is stronger perhaps, but he never showed greater healing.

Is still no were near as powerful as Puck punch

…………..are you kidding me……….are you realy trying to tell me capt could do more damage then Puck who vastly stronger and more durable…………

……….no there not.

He knows were to hit better and is more skilled, but he not nearly as strong nor can produces closes to the forces they can.

……………umm we see Logan attempting to get up………..his arms are bent, he not lifeless on the ground in the least bit. The next time we see him he not KOed.

I did not bring it up you did.

………..no it a low showing to uses Cyclopes not dazing hulk as an accurate portails of his power in comparison with captain America.

Yes, but wolverine not hulk.

Are you really trying to say that capt attack>>>Cyclopes?

Becuases if you are you being an idiot. Cyclopes is far more powerful and would be far more damaging then anything capt could do.

He was not in berserker rage.

He had the mind of a werewolf. That’s not berserker or even closes to it. Capt speculated that Logan was in berserker becuases he attacked him. Capt never even seen Logan in berserker, so him speculating that logan in berserker means nothing.

Brilliant.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Well considering Logan was not talking or comphrehending if he wasn't in berserk mode he definitly wasn't acting according as a regular man.

.

Do you even know what Logan like in berserker rage?

Have you ever read what berserker rage does to him?

I going to assume no to both.

also did you read the issue? of courses not, becuases if you did you know he had the mind of a werewolf.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Good luck trying to convince them, its seems subjective to me.

Good luck is right. But I'm glad you see with unclouded eyes on this matter.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Do you even know what Logan like in berserker rage?

Have you ever read what berserker rage does to him?

I going to assume no to both.

also did you read the issue? of courses not, becuases if you did you know he had the mind of a werewolf.

He may not have been in his normal beserker rage but he was still in a beserker rage, get it?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So why was he trying to roll Wolverine over and why did he say Got him? Was cap planning to just hold him there? He could have decided to hit him in mid-air why did he decide to hold him instead?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He may not have been in his normal beserker rage but he was still in a beserker rage, get it?

berserker rage is much different and amps his stats to levels beyond what they normally are.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Do you even know what Logan like in berserker rage?

Have you ever read what berserker rage does to him?

I going to assume no to both.

also did you read the issue? of courses not, becuases if you did you know he had the mind of a werewolf.

Actually they were some of my first issues that I bought. Maybe you should do the same to re watch the ending of the fight. Clearly you want it to be a win when in fact there is none.

The mind of a werewolf then it matches to what I said he was fighting in Berserk. Like an animal. Also you do know his healing factor canceled the wolf transformation??

Maybe you need to re-read it.

Originally posted by Ha-Son
He probably tried rolling Wolverine over to put Wolverine in a position of disadvantage, where Cap can utilize his strikes, and Wolverine couldn't.

Yeah nothing to do with the fact that Cap stated that he was trying to break his mind-control. 👆

Originally posted by Battlehammer
nope. He was not in berserker rage period. He had the mind of a werewolf.

berserker rage is much different and amps his stats to levels beyond what they normally are.

Ok let me try again. Wolverine was beserk ie he had the mind of wild animal in bloodlust, get it?

Originally posted by Daredevil1

The mind of a werewolf then it matches to what I said he was fighting in Berserk. Like an animal. Also you do know his healing factor canceled the wolf transformation??

Maybe you need to re-read it.

Already did. You might wish to take your own advices.

He was unable to transform phyiscally, but his mental state was alter to that of a werewolf. which if you read the issue you know this.

so yes like I said he had the mind of a werewolf.

.............Logan not an animal when he berserker.............like I said you obviously do not know much about berserker wolverine..............do I really need to educate you on this matter? I mean do you honestly think I am ignorant of what Logan is like while berserker? do you honestly think I would be wrong about such a thing?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Except the last time Logan got on Cap which was in that very same fight Cap threw his legs and threw Logan off. Prove it.

Again, the first time Wolverine was not mounted as high; thus making it easy for Cap to throw him off.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yes Logan is as fast as Cap. No Cap can put the shield in the area to block.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yes Logan can attack at a faster rate but thats when skill, position and leverage can come into play so its not the be all end all situation.

Yes Capt was a bit hurt but far from not being able to do anything. Fact is Logan had the advantage nothing wrong with that. But Cap was not done as some of you want to believe.

Of he had the advantage, he could use it to defeat Cap.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah nothing to do with the fact that Cap stated that he was trying to break his mind-control. 👆

Ok let me try again. Wolverine was beserk ie he had the mind of wild animal in bloodlust, get it?

capt implied he was berserker wolverine which was falses.

now I am assuming you mean berserker in the senses like a wild ape going berserker and not Logans form of berserker which is far different.

I don't see why everyone's so focused on that damned Werewolf fight.

It was entirely inconclusive - especially for a comic book brawl. 😬.