Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah nothing to do with the fact that Cap stated that he was trying to break his mind-control. 👆
Originally posted by Soljer
I don't see why everyone's so focused on that damned Werewolf fight.It was entirely inconclusive - especially for a comic book brawl. 😬.
I think Logan clearly was on the winning end, but it rather pointless debate.
all it really shows is that capt has his hands full with Logan who has the mind of an animal let a lone the real deal.
Originally posted by Ha-Son
Again, the first time Wolverine was not mounted as high; thus making it easy for Cap to throw him off.Judging by his position on the ground, he couldn't.
Of he had the advantage, he could use it to defeat Cap.
Could of
Should of
Would of
All this can be applied to Cap as well.
If Cap didn't trying talking to him, if Cap didn't try holding him, if Cap didn't just punch him just once but more repeatedly.
Point is it was a stalemate with Logan having the advantage in the end. Anything else is your assumption.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Already did. You might wish to take your own advices.He was unable to transform phyiscally, but his mental state was alter to that of a werewolf. which if you read the issue you know this.
so yes like I said he had the mind of a werewolf.
.............Logan not an animal when he berserker.............like I said you obviously do not know much about berserker wolverine..............do I really need to educate you on this matter? I mean do you honestly think I am ignorant of what Logan is like while berserker? do you honestly think I would be wrong about such a thing?
I must admit its been a while since I've read it. But since you made the claim, I sure you can prove it? Show me were it states his mental state is altered to that of a werewolf, because I've read Logans healing protects him physically and mentally as well. Because even when Cap became a warewolf, he could still do good and be the hero despite thinking awkwardly.
I'll recheck the issue later tonight but I'm giving you the chance to prove your claim.
Originally posted by Soljer
I don't see why everyone's so focused on that damned Werewolf fight.It was entirely inconclusive - especially for a comic book brawl. 😬.
Agreed but if you notice none of the Cap fans are claiming it for much. Its the opposite side that is not content for Logan having the advantage but want something else that is not remotely shown.
Originally posted by Ha-Son
No one said he wasn't trying to break his mind control, Kotex. We were implying that in order for Cap to defend himself, he had to KO Wolverine.
The point is that the reason why Cap got him into that position is because he wanted to try and break his mind-control by talking to him because his punch did'nt work.
Originally posted by Ha-Son
All your argument has done is prove to us that Cap can't KO Wolverine. 🙂
Yeah it proves that Cap cant KO Wolverine with one punch. 👆
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I must admit its been a while since I've read it. But since you made the claim, I sure you can prove it? Show me were it states his mental state is altered to that of a werewolf, because I've read Logans healing protects him physically and mentally as well. Because even when Cap became a warewolf, he could still do good and be the hero despite thinking awkwardly.I'll recheck the issue later tonight but I'm giving you the chance to prove your claim.
prove it how? I don't have a scanner. I can give you the issue number and title.
...............I mean how the hell do you think he was being controlled...........the dude only had the ability to control thoses that were werewolfs..............which Logan mentally was which was made evident through out the issue.................
I mean you do know that beserker wolverine in extremely and I eman extremely hard to mind control.............not to mention he still retains his fighting skills and intelligences.............but he simply blood lusted and amped up.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I must admit its been a while since I've read it. But since you made the claim, I sure you can prove it? Show me were it states his mental state is altered to that of a werewolf, because I've read Logans healing protects him physically and mentally as well. Because even when Cap became a warewolf, he could still do good and be the hero despite thinking awkwardly.I'll recheck the issue later tonight but I'm giving you the chance to prove your claim.
I think it was stated that Wolverine had the mind of a werewolf. He was in a beserk rage but not a Wolverine beserk rage. His rage would have still made it harder for him to put down.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The point is that the reason why Cap got him into that position is because he wanted to try and break his mind-control by talking to him because his punch did'nt work.Yeah it proves that Cap cant KO Wolverine with one punch. 👆
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Could ofShould of
Would of
All this can be applied to Cap as well.
No it couldn't. Again, the position Wolverine had made it very difficult for Cap to strike Wolverine.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
If Cap didn't trying talking to him, if Cap didn't try holding him, if Cap didn't just punch him just once but more repeatedly.
Originally posted by Ha-Son
Are you trying to say he was holding his arms just so he could talk to him? barker
Well YOU said he was trying to KO him, how is he going to do that by holding his arms apart?
Hitting him in the mid-air would have given him a much greater chance of Koing him but he went for an option that would not have Koed him.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You edited that post....Ok so if its not a low showing then how many wins does Cap get against Wolverine without his Hf and Adamantuim pure H2H?
Wolverine lost against a beserker Wolverine who would have been harder to put down because he was beserk.
I think you meant Cap...
Okay, in a straight h2h fight Cap probably steals maybe 6/10.. But that's again because Wolverine's grown accustomed to laziness. If Wolverine was stripped of his HF and Adamantium and given a month or two to refine his skills then it'd be a 5/5 split between the two.
If Cap did push Wolverine into a berserker rage in either of the two previously discussed scenarios than he'd lose the majority of the time however.
Originally posted by jinzin
I think you meant Cap...Okay, in a straight h2h fight Cap probably steals maybe 6/10.. But that's again because Wolverine's grown accustomed to laziness. If Wolverine was stripped of his HF and Adamantium and given a month or two to refine his skills then it'd be a 5/5 split between the two.
If Cap did push Wolverine into a berserker rage in either of the two previously discussed scenarios than he'd lose the majority of the time however.
You know what I can live what. Lol thought I was in for a multiple post battle...just not in the mood. 🙁
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Right so Cap could'nt have put up his shield in time?
Dude if Cap could have raised his sheild in time to defend himself then why couldn't he do dick to stop Moonstone from shoving a dart in his neck. Just because Cap knew what he needed to do, doesn't mean he was capable.
It's like when Wendigo was bashing Logan all over the place in Uncanny, Wolverine says "gotta get out here quick" or something to that effect.. Doesn't mean he was about to. 😬
Originally posted by jinzinWait... are you saying Cap knew that he was going to get stuck in the neck by a needle?
Dude if Cap could have raised his sheild in time to defend himself then why couldn't he do dick to stop Moonstone from shoving a dart in his neck. Just because Cap knew what he needed to do, doesn't mean he was capable.
Originally posted by jinzin
Dude if Cap could have raised his sheild in time to defend himself then why couldn't he do dick to stop Moonstone from shoving a dart in his neck. Just because Cap knew what he needed to do, doesn't mean he was capable.It's like when Wendigo was bashing Logan all over the place in Uncanny, Wolverine says "gotta get out here quick" or something to that effect.. Doesn't mean he was about to. 😬
I dont think he expected to get shot in the neck by a needle. Remember his reaction was that he was suprised.
Oh yeah you know you admitted that Cap was more skilled.