Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because his brain was hitting his skull... with the force of class 100 punches. Did you really need that explained to you? You really don't realize how that is different than his brain bouncing off his skull with a class 2 punch? Seriously?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Don't bother, he think DD beats Wolverine and is faster. He speak nonsense vast majority of the time. Which is why I have him on block. His ability to down play or completely ignore wolverines feats is astounding.
Is he the same clown who though that picture of Wolverine's ear and sideburn was supposed to be representative of Echo having downed Logan with a pressure point?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
TK is a meta-physical manifestation of mental abilities.... how does it being modified by will power not make sense?
TK does nothing to the mind of the person/object being held, it restrains them like a physical force.
It makes sense that the person using it, sure, needs to have will. I don't think the will of a person simply being held, would matter, unless they were using some type of psionic force back to resist the hold.
Like, when jean picks normal things up, she isn't doing anything to their non-existant mind.
Originally posted by King Castle
think of it like this a mountain isnt alive it doesnt resonate any form of disruptive energy output, it's static.while on the other hand a person is moving struggling and is radiating a limited lvl of disruptive energy output in his immediate vicinity radiating a few inches or feet from him which makes him harder to grasp slippery.
it's kinda how i see it anyways.
Wolverine has no mind powers, thus he can't extend his mind to attack the TK force or Jean, he would have to use normal strength and whatever. Actually, wouldn't that be how Hulk breaks TK?
There should be no "will energy" comming out of regular characters, and I'm not sure you would find scans to back it up.
Like, im not arguing that this isn't how it works in comics, I'm totally willing to accept that. If I can accept unbreakable skeleton, I can accept "will energy". I'm just saying, that sounds ****ing stupid to me. A character like wolverine should have no TK resistance that isn't physical /meh
Originally posted by StyleTime
Maybe. Julian's problem seemed more a lack of training than I guess they do it because it's one of the more gamebreaking powers, but I agree. StyleTime universe TK would work on everyone. If I can levitate a car and rip off the door simultaneously, I should be able to hold Wolverine and take his sword. Or just make him hold it. Or at least block/deflect the throw.
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I would be impressed (at the continuity of Marvel/DC comics) if it wasn't commonly used in that way as well
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Is he the same clown who though that picture of Wolverine's ear and sideburn was supposed to be representative of Echo having downed Logan with a pressure point?
and no one should have to explain the difference between the force WWH generates and a slightly superhuman street leveler can generate
Originally posted by inimalistactually this might blow a casket but wolverine does have limited Telepathic like abilities and it has been on panel more then once.. from directing telepathic communication to a psi sensitive and have a conversation across the globe. to a telapthic backlash activating his empathic ability creating a rampart to those he is emotionally close too. to generating raw emotional energy across the visible and invisible spectrum and overwhelming ppl, animals and even metaphysical type beings 😎 🤣 😆
TK does nothing to the mind of the person/object being held, it restrains them like a physical force.It makes sense that the person using it, sure, needs to have will. I don't think the will of a person simply being held, would matter, unless they were using some type of psionic force back to resist the hold.
Like, when jean picks normal things up, she isn't doing anything to their non-existant mind.
Wolverine has no mind powers, thus he can't extend his mind to attack the TK force or Jean, he would have to use normal strength and whatever. Actually, wouldn't that be how Hulk breaks TK?
There should be no "will energy" coming out of regular characters, and I'm not sure you would find scans to back it up.
Like, im not arguing that this isn't how it works in comics, I'm totally willing to accept that. If I can accept unbreakable skeleton, I can accept "will energy". I'm just saying, that sounds ****ing stupid to me. A character like wolverine should have no TK resistance that isn't physical /meh
Originally posted by Starscream M
no street leveler is KOing logan with punches.capt could potentially do it with repeated shield bashes...but he obviously wouldn't get that on logan.
I see his only option for win is if he uses shield to either rip logan's throat apart or gut him.
Remo Williams could do it.
Originally posted by King Castle
actually this might blow a casket but wolverine does have limited Telepathic like abilities and it has been on panel more then once.. from directing telepathic communication to a psi sensitive and have a conversation across the globe. to a telapthic backlash activating his empathic ability creating a rampart to those he is emotionally close too. to generating raw emotional energy across the visible and invisible spectrum and overwhelming ppl, animals and even metaphysical type beings 😎 🤣 😆
sorry, I have to go throw up now
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because his brain was hitting his skull... with the force of class 100 punches. Did you really need that explained to you? You really don't realize how that is different than his brain bouncing off his skull with a class 2 punch? Seriously?
If I shake your head hard enough your brain is going to rattle around in your skull and cause a concussion and possibly internal bleeding. Wolverine's skull is absorbing the force of his blows but his head is still getting tossed around which is making him punch drunk. What your talking about is how Wolverine is immune to blunt trauma to the skull but as the comic proves his brain is not secure enough to take that type of trauma . Unless Wolverine's skull is actually bonded to his brain then no hes not immune to this.
The Hulks strength isn't a factor
so you are basically sayin that logan will suffer from shaken baby syndrome that his body cant compensate for? 😬
the amount of force needed to cause truama to a small child isnt sufficient enough to cause the same damage to an adult. it's basically what is happening with Hulk and Logan and i dont see Cap causing the same force needed to shake his brain that violently and repeatedly to tas his healing factor and ko him or make him punch drunk
Originally posted by SasuOna
If I shake your head hard enough your brain is going to rattle around in your skull and cause a concussion and possibly internal bleeding. Wolverine's skull is absorbing the force of his blows but his head is still getting tossed around which is making him punch drunk. What your talking about is how Wolverine is immune to blunt trauma to the skull but as the comic proves his brain is not secure enough to take that type of trauma . Unless Wolverine's skull is actually bonded to his brain then no hes not immune to this.The Hulks strength isn't a factor
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it took the accumulative effect of his brain being knocked around his skull with to force of a barrage of class 100 blows to accomplish this punch drunk effect. Pretending that Hulk's strength didn't factor is fallacious and completely irrational. Hulk was hitting Wolverine with class 100 blows, therefor his brain was smashing around in his skull with the force of those class 100 blows.
it's like saying the equivalent of a car abrupt stopping generates the exact force that a plane flying at mach 1 would causing the brain to slam at the same velocity into the wall of the skull.. that is just wrong on so many levels.
i think my baby shake syndrome was apt. an adult can injure a child with certain amount of force but would be hard pressed to do the same damage to a full grown adult if he tried to shake them let alone if he has a healing factor that repairs all the minor damage and swelling if he even could.
No it took his brain being jostled enough to do that which the comic itself stated. Anyone can potentially provide sufficient trauma to his head to knock his brain around inside his skull.
Once again the accumulative force of the Hulks hits means nothing since the rationale provided in the comic basically says that all he needs to do is knock his head around enough to cause repeated concussions.
You however have yet to explain how Wolverine's adamantium skull would be any different from a human's in handling things like blowout or what little support an even harder skull provides the impacts inside the head.
Originally posted by SasuOna
No it took his brain being jostled enough to do that which the comic itself stated. Anyone can potentially provide sufficient trauma to his head to knock his brain around inside his skull.Once again the accumulative force of the Hulks hits means nothing since the rationale provided in the comic basically says that all he needs to do is knock his head around enough to cause repeated concussions.
You however have yet to explain how Wolverine's adamantium skull would be any different from a human's in handling things like blowout or what little support an even harder skull provides the impacts inside the head.
Again: A feat accomplished by World War Hulk. You are comparing a grenade to a nuclear explosion. It took a dozen punches from world breaker Hulk to make Wolverine punch drunk, what's the rational that Captain America could accomplish the same thing? It wasn't Wolverine's brain rattling around his skull, it was Wolverine's brain rattling around in his skull with the force of class 100. You can pretend like that doesn't matter but anyone with any sense knows whats up. A building getting blown over by a hurricane doesn't make the idea of it getting blown over by a portable battery opperated fan any more likely. You can't look at the results and the actions that led to said results seperatly if you want to have any sort of credibility.