Captain America vs. Wolverine

Started by King Castle164 pages
King Castle Restricted

what are you talkin about? if you want to debate reasonably lets do.

you didnt say anything other than prof. hulk has a healing factor durability. you didnt add anything else to that statement. i asked for the relevancy of that statement, i simply added that it is not comparable to logan for certain reasons which is obvious to many comic readers.

we know for many years and moments that Logan has tanked, recovered and shrugged off Nerve blows and referenced it being due to his healing factor.

we have moments it's been tried and failed from Echo, shingen who had to go for pure kill blows for anything else would be ineffective in his 1st solo series and we even have him in other story crossovers which simply add on to what is already known from his encounter with the vulcan grip.. this isnt us making stuff up this is common comic knowledge for wolverine readers.

having said that you need to stop telling me to go away b/c you dont like my argument based on character history

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by Deadline
Thats the case for alot of class 100s.

How long were these fights? Some Wolverine Hulk fights weren't that long.

Professor Hulk has a high lvl HF and durability.

Fights of varying lengths.

Professor Hulk's healing factor wasn't nearly as powerful as Savage Hulks or Wolverine's. Regardless of there effect on Professor Hulk, pressure points don't work on Wolverine, they didn't work on Wolverine in his original mini even when he was poisoned with a healing factor 1/100th as powerful as it is now. They didn't work when Ogun was training him. They didn't work when Echo attached him. They didn't work when he was living in the mountains in Japan in some warrior village. Wolverine and the Hulk are not interchangeable and the fact remains that pressure points have been stated to have no effect on Wolverine other than making him angry.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

hulk's healing factor gets buffed the madder he gets, wolverine doesn't have that shit

inimalist Junior Member

deadline: do you think wolverine wins less than 8/10 in this contest?

King Castle Restricted

Wolverine's healing factor does increase emotionally mostly through adrenaline, conscious effort of will but it doesnt increase exponentially to the lvl hulk reaches.

aside from that Wolvies healing Factor highest lvl is when he is in a berserker rage.

also the Hulk healing factor has a weakness to gases which Logan can walk through without effect. Wolvie actually took the same gas attack that Hulk took while logan's healing factor was taxed from a hulk punch. Hulk collapse while logan did not.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

depends on the hulk, later versions adapt to environments, for example some had to use respirators for space travel (but not a suit to withstand the cold. ever (wolverine would freeze in space)), then later hulk stood on top of his spaceship the entire voyage to earth. he also evolved a gland that allowed him to breath under water.

King Castle Restricted

yeh, the modern upgraded version of Hulk is a beast. i cant argue his adaptive BS power he was given nor make a comparison in anyway with Logan's.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by The Nuul
Logan constantly takes on 100 tonners without being KOed outweighs him being KOed.

Sounds like Dead is trolling.


He is.

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
Your making shit up again. Trying to make some theory that somehow it will work on Hulk but shouldn't on Wolverine. Cut the BS.

It not Theory it fact. It was even stated in his newest run that ever person healing factor operates differently. They heal and respond in different ways and speed.

Trackz Senior Member

Originally posted by The Nuul
Logan constantly takes on 100 tonners without being KOed outweighs him being KOed.

Sounds like Dead is trolling.

I wouldnt say constantly, there are plenty of instances of him being taken out by less (frankencastle, captain americas son, etc.) and im not sure if I've seen scans of Wolverine taking a 100 ton punch and rolling back like it was nothing...

SasuOna Senior Member

Thats because it never happens, Wolverine feels immense pain from simply getting hit by them. The only reason he survives is because of his healing factor.
WWH shows whats happens when you keep beating on him repeatedly even Cap can do that with Multiple hits from his Shield.

Prep-Man Senior Member

Didn't Cap KO the Hulk last year. Falcon punch, ftw.

King Castle Restricted

Originally posted by Trackz
I wouldnt say constantly, there are plenty of instances of him being taken out by less (frankencastle, captain americas son, etc.) and im not sure if I've seen scans of Wolverine taking a 100 ton punch and rolling back like it was nothing...
he's done it before. 😐

check his respect thread brick section. one that comes to mind was the Sasquatch beating he took and shrugged off that surprised Puck

Dum Dum Dugan Senior Member

Originally posted by Trackz
I wouldnt say constantly, there are plenty of instances of him being taken out by less (frankencastle, captain americas son, etc.) and im not sure if I've seen scans of Wolverine taking a 100 ton punch and rolling back like it was nothing...

Here Wolverine shrugging off a sucker punch from Grey Hulk. This Wolverine healing factor is significantly lower then currently and even a sucker punch from a class 100 did not knock him out and more or less dident even seem to bother by it more surprised at Hulk intelligence

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kakuzu A new heart I see!!

Originally posted by Irish Wolverine
Wolverine doesn't always go beserk, but when he does, he tends to win. I think the blond guy you're talking about is a mind reader. Wolverine went beserk and beat him.
Mr.X

StyleTime Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
Wolverines HF is not the same as high end durability. The point is there is no proof that something that can KO a class 100 will have a harder time KOing Wolverine eg both Wolverine and Hercules have been Koed by massive blunt force trauma.

I don't think you read the thread properly.


I agree they aren't the same. I'll admit that maybe I'm unclear on your meaning. Strong, repeated hits will KO Wolverine?

Apart from you possibly, I read the rest right.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Thats because it never happens, Wolverine feels immense pain from simply getting hit by them. The only reason he survives is because of his healing factor.
WWH shows whats happens when you keep beating on him repeatedly even Cap can do that with Multiple hits from his Shield.

To be fair, Hulk is superior to Wolverine and Captain America. For Captain America to replicate what Hulk did, Wolverine would basically have to stand still and let him do it.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by SasuOna
Thats because it never happens, Wolverine feels immense pain from simply getting hit by them. The only reason he survives is because of his healing factor.
WWH shows whats happens when you keep beating on him repeatedly even Cap can do that with Multiple hits from his Shield.

WWH held tectonic plated together and his foot steps threatened to destroy the planet, and the best he could do was make Wolverine punch drunk. Cap would need a century to equal the damage of a single WWH punch.

juggernaut74 Bigsexy

What issue did Cap overpower Logan in?

King Castle Restricted

Cap didnt overpower logan, he crushed his tendons in his arm and their was context that was omitted that logan had undergone before he even faced cap the last two times.

Originally posted by jinzin
Captain America Gauntlet: Wolverine has been on a nonstop crusade since learning about his entire past history; He hasn't slept, hasn't eaten, and he's overall in bad shape; He runs through Nuke, fights Cap to a virtual stalemate, then proceeds to beat on Cap, Cyclops and Hellion at the same time; For those who think Wolverine ISN'T in bad shape, I draw your attention to the fact that this is Daniel Way's writing; One of the two writers to have Wolverine heal from a skeleton in mere minutes, yet he's having Wolverine take longer than a few seconds to heal up crushed tendons... Wolverine is far from peak capacity here and he still gets the job done:
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StyleTime Senior Member

Something I will never get is why Julian didn't TK the sword along with Wolverine.

"I'll suspend Wolverine in the air to keep everyone safe, but I'll let him play with his sword. Don't want him to get bored floating up there while we chit chat."