Captain America vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by SasuOna
Not to mention Jinzen or Juken have no idea what their talking about and are blindly following skrank's incorrect assertion that it always takes the Hulk's Strength to rapidly knock Wolverine's head back and forth.

It doesn't take Hulk level strength to knock back Wolverine's head, or to rattle his brain around in his skull, what requires Hulk level strength is to overload Wolverine's healing factor with punches in quick succession to the point that his brain is no longer healing properly and the accumulative damage is leaving him concussed. It took a dozen punches from WWH to accomplish this, it isn't something Cap could do in anything approaching a reasonable window of time. Any bruising or hemorrhaging Captain America could be responsible for on Wolverine's brain would be so slight compared to the trauma of a single punch from the Hulk that it would heal in a fraction of a second.

look.

you dont decide which attacks are pressure points when it isnt mention as such in narration or by the character.

so again was it specifically stated to have bn a pressure point attack or did Cap just throw his shield or punch kick Prof. hulk to cause his minor pain and discomfort?

Namor's healing Factor isnt on par to Logan it never has bn and its quite clear since we have evidence that his healing factor is above namor's and is immune to pressure points attacks.

dont come in here thinking no one is gonna call you out when the prove is splattered all over comics spanning 40 yrs.

point of the matter logan can ignore pressure point attacks and if Namor has failed to that is on him not logan and makes the difference clear.

now i am asking for scans since i believe you are purposely omitting
certain factors and i question credibility

is this the scan you are referencing?

So Gamora still beats these guys at the same time based on Superior Skill, Strength and Speed? Glad we all agree

Originally posted by King Castle
look.

you dont decide which attacks are pressure points when it isnt mention as such in narration or by the character.

so again was it specifically stated to have bn a pressure point attack or did Cap just throw his shield or punch kick Prof. hulk to cause his minor pain and discomfort?

Yup he specifically said he was using pressure points on Prof Hulk. He clearly used a pressure point on Namor, he didn't state it but the way in which he moved his hand it was most likely a pressure point.

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Originally posted by King Castle

Namor's healing Factor isnt on par to Logan it never has bn and its quite clear since we have evidence that his healing factor is above namor's and is immune to pressure points attacks.

It doesn't have to be

Originally posted by Deadline
You also making the baseless asumption that because a brick doesn't have a comparable factor HF that it won't work on Wolverine.

Cap doesn't hit with class 100 force but they can be just as effective, both Wolverine and bricks react in the same way when they get by class 100 punches.

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Originally posted by King Castle

dont come in here thinking no one is gonna call you out when the prove is splattered all over comics spanning 40 yrs.

point of the matter logan can ignore pressure point attacks and if Namor has one failed to that is one him.

It obvoulsy depends on how good the guy is doesn't it? Its like saying that Daredevil shouldn't be shot by Punisher when hes dodged bullets from less skilled individuals.

Originally posted by King Castle

now i am asking for scans since i believe you are purposely omitting
certain factors and i question credibility

I don't care what you want. You're in no position to talk about crediibility. Can't expect me to drop what I'm doing and hunt for scans just because you want it.

Originally posted by King Castle

Nope Cap jumps on his back.

this is the only one i could find where Cap ko'es Namor, they have fought a few times but usually ending up as misunderstanding.

Originally posted by King Castle
this is the only one i could find where Cap ko'es Namor, they have fought a few times but usually ending up as misunderstanding.

You didn't see the scan above?

Wait a sec so deadline arguement is that becuase Capt pressure points worked on both hulk and namor once, that makes it likely to work on wolverine?

First of all that abc logic. Second of all it contradicts the fact it failed on wolverine when utilized , but lets just ignore all that and pretend pressure point working on namor = working on wolverine 🙄

that's not terrible logic...namor is far more durable than logan. if capt can put down namor with pressure shots, it stands to reason he can do so to someone far less durable as well.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Wait a sec so deadline arguement is that becuase Capt pressure points worked on both hulk and namor once, that makes it likely to work on wolverine?

You need to prove its ABC logic I already provided a clear and rational explanation as to why it isn't. Read what I said again.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

First of all that abc logic. Second of all it contradicts the fact it failed on wolverine when utilized , but lets just ignore all that and pretend pressure point working on namor = working on wolverine 🙄

I don't think hes ever pressure pointed Wolverine actually. Absolutely Wolverine has fought Cap three times. Once breifly another time when he was beserk and Origins. Obvoulsy that disproves that if they fight ten times Cap can't wins two of those.

Originally posted by Starscream M
that's not terrible logic...namor is far more durable than logan. if capt can put down namor with pressure shots, it stands to reason he can do so to someone far less durable as well.

except that it is explicitly shown that such strikes are ineffective at best at putting down wolverine

Originally posted by Deadline
You need to prove its ABC logic I already provided a clear and rational explanation as to why it isn't. Read what I said again.

I don't think hes ever pressure pointed Wolverine actually. Absolutely Wolverine has fought Cap three times. Once breifly another time when he was beserk and Origins. Obvoulsy that disproves that if they fight ten times Cap can't wins two of those.

He doesent need to, it been shown to fail a number of times. He wasent berserker, capt only believed he was.

actaully that does not disprove anything, since capt never won any of there engagements aside from a single fight Wolverine throw.

Originally posted by Starscream M
that's not terrible logic...namor is far more durable than logan. if capt can put down namor with pressure shots, it stands to reason he can do so to someone far less durable as well.

Originally posted by inimalist
except that it is explicitly shown that such strikes are ineffective at best at putting down wolverine

Originally posted by Starscream M
you are aware there are also instances of it working on logan, right?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
except you didn't you tried to justify it with failed logic. Wolverine is not namor, he not hulk. He has legitment on pannel feats of easily resisting pressure point attacks. To try and pretend capt pressure pointing namor = him being able to pressure point wolverine is 😆

Yes I did, you pretended it didn't happen.

Originally posted by Deadline
No your making stuff up. You're arguing that Koing a guy that can take class 100 shots is different from Koing a person with a heigthened HF, you need something to back that up instead of just inventing something and using it as a reason as to why its faulty logic.

According to that logic I could argue that Thor could have a harder time Koing Hercules than he would Wolverine just because Wolverine has a HF. Class 100 shots do the same god damn thing they do to people with high durbaility and healing factors, so theres not reason why a highly skilled punch shouldn't be able to do the same.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

He doesent need to, it been shown to fail a number of times.

just because Echo can't pressure point Wolverine doesn't mean Cap can't when hes got better showings.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

He wasent berserker, capt only believed he was. [/B ]

Its irrelevant wether it was true beserker or not his state of mind made him harder to KO.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
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actaully that does not disprove anything, since capt never won any of there engagements aside from a single fight Wolverine throw.

Of course it doesn't that because you don't listen or even bother to comprehend the information being presented.

Originally posted by inimalist
except that it is explicitly shown that such strikes are ineffective at best at putting down wolverine

I have already dealt with that point on page 155.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yes I did, you pretended it didn't happen.

Originally posted by Deadline
because Echo can't pressure point Wolverine doesn't mean Cap can't when hes got better showings.

If they don't work, how does capt being better matter? There not going to magically start working. Honestly listen to your own arguements 🙄

Oh and by the way champ she was using DD pressure point attacks.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yes I did, you pretended it didn't happen.

Originally posted by Deadline

irrelevant wether it was true beserker or not his state of mind made him harder to KO.

Originally posted by Deadline
Of course it doesn't that because you don't listen or even bother to comprehend the information being presented.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
again that not proving or argueing that a pressure point will work on wolverine. That you argueing nonsense.

If they don't work, how does capt being better matter? There not going to magically start working. Honestly listen to your own arguements 🙄

Oh and by the way champ she was using DD pressure point attacks.

again that not proving or argueing that a pressure point will work on wolverine. That you argueing nonsense.

what does this have to do with anything? nor is it true.

I comprehend fine champ. Your arguements are just abc logic in which you trying and petend namor = wolveirne when it doesent. Wolverine has already withstood pressure points. That holds a lot more weight then Namor by stunned by Capt via using a pressure piont.

Calm down. Stop trying to find fault with everything say, take some time to actually read through what I said. If you're going to assume I'm wrong before the debate has already started all you're going to see is nonsense. Not because I'm talking nonsense but because thats what you want to see.

I give up.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No there not.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yes I did, you pretended it didn't happen.

just because Echo can't pressure point Wolverine doesn't mean Cap can't when hes got better showings.

Its irrelevant wether it was true beserker or not his state of mind made him harder to KO.

Of course it doesn't that because you don't listen or even bother to comprehend the information being presented.

I have already dealt with that point on page 155.

Wolverine has shrugged of half a dozen pressure points expressly stated to kill. Kill. Dim Mak is documented to have no effect on Wolverine. Killing pressure points are the pinnacle of offensive output, and if they don't work... what exactly is Captain America going to exactly? Bust through the glass ceiling and use a pressure point designed to SUPER KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please. Dim Mak doesn't phase Wolverine even when used by peerless masters. It has been stated that pressure points only make him angry. How is Captain America going to make his pressure points more effective? They've already been executed properly with no effect... he can't change that.

Originally posted by Deadline
I have already dealt with that point on page 155.

you mean you have shown that the most consistent appearances for wolverine show him as being vulnerable to pressure points?