Captain America vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No Spiderman's speed, reflexes, and precog within his movement give him the advantage, unless you want to argue that Wolverine is 20x faster than a human...

...With contradictory characters like Wolverine, whose own feats have contradicted himself in the same month by the same writer qute often, it's often hard to take what he does seriously anyways, considering tons of it is affected by him having such a huge fanbase that all but the biggest fans will not deny.

I am glad that others see Spiderman or what he is. Great job in defending his skills C-Master. Props to you from this Spidey fan.

Originally posted by bean_machine
I am glad that others see Spiderman or what he is. Great job in defending his skills C-Master. Props to you from this Spidey fan.

Im re-opening this thread. After looking at the cap respect thread. Cap beats Wolverine 6/10.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im re-opening this thread. After looking at the cap respect thread. Cap beats Wolverine 6/10.

I'm a Cap fan; you know that.

He isn't beating Wolverine.

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm a Cap fan; you know that.

He isn't beating Wolverine.

*swift Cap-kick to the arse!*

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No Cap fan would say such a thing. I'm kicking you out of the Cap fan club for being unpatriotic.

*swift Cap-kick to the arse!*

but i do 😈 *right cross of justices' him in the jaw KOing soljer and then watching onedumbgo carry his lifeless body out*AND STAY OUT!

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm a Cap fan; you know that.

He isn't beating Wolverine.

You do know that cap beat Wolverine in Origins? At first I thought Wolverine won but he didn't.

Wolverines leg slice was supposed to have taken cap out but it didnt. Cap was still standing and could have taken Wolverine out with the sword. The fact of the matter is unless your Mantis or somebody like Karnak, Cap is number 1 for H2H.

Is this revenge because of something I said?

Originally posted by Alfheim
You do know that cap beat Wolverine in Origins? At first I thought Wolverine won but he didn't.

Wolverines leg slice was supposed to have taken cap out but it didnt. Cap was still standing and could have taken Wolverine out with the sword. The fact of the matter is unless your Mantis or somebody like Karnak, Cap is number 1 for H2H.

Is this revenge because of something I said?

Revenge? 😕 No.

Anyways, I OWN the origins fight, let me break it down for you:

1. Steve blocks Logans claws with his shield.
2. Steve smashes Logan's face with the shield.
3. Logan flips away and kicks Cap in the face.
4. They circle and Logan attacks. Cap dodges.
5. Cap punches Logan.
6. Logan deflects a SHIELD THROW with his friggin claws.
7. Cap tackles Logan to the ground and disables his claws while Logan puts the clot in Steve's leg.
8. Logan kicks Cap off of him and away.
9. Cap has the sword, and that ends the fight...for the moment.
10. Logan tries to attack Cap and gets slashed across the chest, leaving Wolverine to go into his berserker state.
11. He tackles Cap from behind, throws his shield away, punches him twice in the head, rips the sword out of Cap's hands,
12. As Cap is standing to defend himself he falls to the ground. Out of exhaustion.
13. Wolverine is about to FINISH CAP OFF with the Murasma sword until he gets hit by Hellion.

It isn't a conclusive victory for Logan by any means - Cap obviously had the upper hand in the first part of the fight. But when Logan went into his berserker state, he was stomping on Cap. It definitely isn't the best evidence to use for EITHER side.

However, the fact of the matter is that I'm unsure of how Captain America could generate the damage to ultimately knock Wolverine out. They are comparable in speed, strength, and even skill (though I give Wolverine the edge in the first two, and Captain America the edge in skill).

However, even assuming that speed, strength, and skill were EQUAL, Wolverine has a far more lethal weapon at his disposal than Cap does. A single solid shield throw or shield bash won't be able to knock out Logan. A single solid claw swipe WOULD be able to cut Cap in half.

Originally posted by Soljer
Revenge? 😕 No.

Well you know the comment I made about one of your scans...anyway as long as were still cool.

Originally posted by Soljer

Anyways, I OWN the origins fight, let me break it down for you:

1. Steve blocks Logans claws with his shield.
2. Steve smashes Logan's face with the shield.
3. Logan flips away and kicks Cap in the face.
4. They circle and Logan attacks. Cap dodges.
5. Cap punches Logan.
6. Logan deflects a SHIELD THROW with his friggin claws.
7. Cap tackles Logan to the ground and disables his claws while Logan puts the clot in Steve's leg.
8. Logan kicks Cap off of him and away.
9. Cap has the sword, and that ends the fight...for the moment.

No no no. Cap has won this fight up to this point, the only reason why cap didnt take him out was because he wanted to take him somewhere else.

Read the scans again Wolverine thinks he has taken out cap by slicing his leg but cap is still standing. Cap deliberatley misses Wolverine with a warning shot, then cap says to Wolverine "the look in your eyes tell me the rest", then Wolverine allows cap to frog march him.

So lets look at this situation Wolverine has all his powers and a sword. Cap ends up injurying Wolverine so he cant use his claws AND has his sword.

Originally posted by Soljer

10. Logan tries to attack Cap and gets slashed across the chest, leaving Wolverine to go into his berserker state.
11. He tackles Cap from behind, throws his shield away, punches him twice in the head, rips the sword out of Cap's hands,
12. As Cap is standing to defend himself he [b]falls to the ground. Out of exhaustion.
13. Wolverine is about to FINISH CAP OFF with the Murasma sword until he gets hit by Hellion. [/B]

No no no. Cap was distracted by nuke, read the scans again. In a forum fight Wolverine would have lost, because nuke would not have been there to distract him. Furthermore in a forum fight Wolverine would not have had a sword but cap still ended up taking the sword off him! In a forum fight Wolverine would not have been frog marched off cap would have used the sword to take him out, cap missed unpurpose in order to frog march him.

Originally posted by Soljer

It isn't a conclusive victory for Logan by any means - Cap obviously had the upper hand in the first part of the fight. But when Logan went into his berserker state, he was stomping on Cap. It definitely isn't the best evidence to use for EITHER side.

It is a conclusive win for cap because in a one on one fight nuke would not have been there to distract him. Also Wolverine had his adamantuim claws and a sword and cap disabled his claws and took his sword off him.

Originally posted by Soljer

However, the fact of the matter is that I'm unsure of how Captain America could generate the damage to ultimately knock Wolverine out. They are comparable in speed, strength, and even skill (though I give Wolverine the edge in the first two, and Captain America the edge in skill).

If cap can disable his claws logic dictates he can knock him out. Even when he went beserk he still couldnt use them.

Originally posted by Soljer

However, even assuming that speed, strength, and skill were EQUAL, Wolverine has a far more lethal weapon at his disposal than Cap does. A single solid shield throw or shield bash won't be able to knock out Logan. A single solid claw swipe WOULD be able to cut Cap in half.

That aint gonna happen cap is too skillful. Like I said cap disabled his claws and took his weapon. the only way Wolverine got an upper hand was luck and even then he had to go beserk....says alot about his skill level. 🙄

in Origins Cap wins, Cap could have killed wolverine... He chose not to because it wasnt what he was there for. The Fight was over, now when nuke grabbed the back of his leg, and he slashed logans chest, Cap could have easily Just cut his head off, but once again he didnt want to. Cap won the fight, then the PIS started to roll in.

Originally posted by King KAM
in Origins Cap wins, Cap could have killed wolverine... He chose not to because it wasnt what he was there for. The Fight was over, now when nuke grabbed the back of his leg, and he slashed logans chest, Cap could have easily Just cut his head off, but once again he didnt want to. Cap won the fight, then the PIS started to roll in.

Yeah what I said. Remember that sword aint even caps but caps using it against him and Wolverine aint got his claws. Wolverine was outclassed, aint nobody taken caps h2H spot except cosmics like Gamora.

Cap disgusts me.

I hate Wolverine...but Cap disgusts me. Next thing you know he will defeat Gladiator by somehow hitting a nerve.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Cap disgusts me.

I hate Wolverine...but Cap disgusts me. Next thing you know he will defeat Gladiator by somehow hitting a nerve.

Your comparing Wolverine to Gladiator?

I tried from all angles and cannot see a logical way for Cap to win. Wolverine was stabbed in the gut and shot in the chest recently and kept on fighting. That's bad@ss right there.

But on the other hand I would think with Wolverines enhanced senses nerve attacks would be very effective against him....

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I tried from all angles and cannot see a logical way for Cap to win. Wolverine was stabbed in the gut and shot in the chest recently and kept on fighting. That's bad@ss right there.

But on the other hand I would think with Wolverines enhanced senses nerve attacks would be very effective against him....

Bro cap is to fighting as Dr Doom is to tech, hes hurting Wolvrrine end of story.

Also the annoying thing about Wolverine is that he has different showing, sometimes he gets slashed in the gut and has to wait to heal.

... Wolverine stopped fighting Cap because the speed at which the blood clot moved to Cap's heart/brain depended on how fast his heart was pumping. Want to know what increases your heart rate? Fighting (I know shocking!). You don't think Wolverine was trying to kill Captain America do you? Once Wolverine realised there was no evac coming for Cap (since Wolverine, Nuke and Cap were all supposed to kill each other) he didn't have much of a choice about stopping the fight.

And Cap only disabled his claws for a few seconds (maybe a minute), Wolverine pops them at the start of issue 5 and uses them until he takes the sword back.

And Origins Wolverine is in horrible shape. Part of the back story for the arc is that he has been going no stop since M-Day with out any sleep or food, he is not at his fighting best... or anywhere close.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro cap is to fighting as Dr Doom is to tech, hes hurting Wolvrrine end of story.

Also the annoying thing about Wolverine is that he has different showing, sometimes he gets slashed in the gut and has to wait to heal.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... Wolverine stopped fighting Cap because the speed at which the blood clot moved to Cap's heart/brain depended on how fast his heart was pumping. Want to know what increases your heart rate? Fighting (I know shocking!). You don't think Wolverine was trying to kill Captain America do you? Once Wolverine realised there was no evac coming for Cap (since Wolverine, Nuke and Cap were all supposed to kill each other) he didn't have much of a choice about stopping the fight.

That doesnt change the fact that Cap could have taken out wolverine with the sword. Cap wasnt trying to kill Wolverine either and at that point Cap could have won.

Well why was Wolvering punching cap in the back of the head

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

And Cap only disabled his claws for a few seconds (maybe a minute), Wolverine pops them at the start of issue 5 and uses them until he takes the sword back.

It was more than a few sceonds it was probably several minutes.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

And Origins Wolverine is in horrible shape. Part of the back story for the arc is that he has been going no stop since M-Day with out any sleep or food, he is not at his fighting best... or anywhere close.

So basically what your telling me is that they retconned it....what a load of BS.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That doesnt change the fact that Cap could have taken out wolverine with the sword. Cap wasnt trying to kill Wolverine either and at that point Cap could have won.

Well why was Wolvering punching cap in the back of the head

It was more than a few sceonds it was probably several minutes.

So basically what your telling me is that they retconned it....what a load of BS.

Wolverine was punching Cap in the back of the head because he entered a berseker rage after Cap slashed him; which is what would have happened if the fight would have continued.

I doubt it was that long, nothing in Wolverine's history would suggest that. The fight was over and their was no need for him to pop his claws until he did.

It wasn't retconned, Way set the background for Wolverine: Origins in his Origins and Endings story arc in the main Wolverine title.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine was punching Cap in the back of the head because he entered a berseker rage after Cap slashed him; which is what would have happened if the fight would have continued.

Yes but you are forgetting Cap could have taken him out with the sword. cap wasnt trying to kill him either, the slash with the sword was a warning shot.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

I doubt it was that long, nothing in Wolverine's history would suggest that. The fight was over and their was no need for him to pop his claws until he did.

It wasnt a couple of seconds it was minutes...alot happened before the next issue.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

It wasn't retconned, Way set the background for Wolverine: Origins in his Origins and Endings story arc in the main Wolverine title.

Well the writing sucked, take this for example. Wolverine is actually using tactics on cap to make him mad...that should be the other way round.