Captain America vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes but you are forgetting Cap could have taken him out with the sword. cap wasnt trying to kill him either, the slash with the sword was a warning shot.

It wasnt a couple of seconds it was minutes...alot happened before the next issue.

Well the writing sucked, take this for example. Wolverine is actually using tactics on cap to make him mad...that should be the other way round.

Just because Cap had the sword doesn't mean he would have won automatically. He would have had to avoid Cap for a minute or two tops before the blood clot caught up to him... and Cap is hardly the Silver Samurai when it comes to sword skills.

It was a few minutes before he actually pop his claws but how long before the damage was healed? He had no reason to pop his claws before he did, and I doubt the damage just finished healing before he released them in issue five. Crushed ligaments? Considering he has regrown his heart in three panels, I'd say a few seconds would rectify that damage.

I doubt using tactics to make Wolverine mad would have worked well for Captain America.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Just because Cap had the sword doesn't mean he would have won automatically. He would have had to avoid Cap for a minute or two tops before the blood clot caught up to him... and Cap is hardly the Silver Samurai when it comes to sword skills.

It was a few minutes before he actually pop his claws but how long before the damage was healed? He had no reason to pop his claws before he did, and I doubt the damage just finished healing before he released them in issue five. Crushed ligaments? Considering he has regrown his heart in three panels, I'd say a few seconds would rectify that damage.

I doubt using tactics to make Wolverine mad would have worked well for Captain America.

Howlett>Rogers

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Just because Cap had the sword doesn't mean he would have won automatically. He would have had to avoid Cap for a minute or two tops before the blood clot caught up to him... and Cap is hardly the Silver Samurai when it comes to sword skills.

It was a few minutes before he actually pop his claws but how long before the damage was healed? He had no reason to pop his claws before he did, and I doubt the damage just finished healing before he released them in issue five. Crushed ligaments? Considering he has regrown his heart in three panels, I'd say a few seconds would rectify that damage.

I doubt using tactics to make Wolverine mad would have worked well for Captain America.

Captain America 10/10. ermm dodgy

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Just because Cap had the sword doesn't mean he would have won automatically. He would have had to avoid Cap for a minute or two tops before the blood clot caught up to him... and Cap is hardly the Silver Samurai when it comes to sword skills.

Thats were your wrong he knows how to use swords. One time when cap had his shield replaced he had a shield that could change into any weapon. He used all sorts of weapons to fight such as poles and bats, he also used a sword to kill Korvac. I dont know if he good as the silver samurai but he has trained in other weapons.

What makes you think Wolverine is good enough to avoid cap? As I was saying when cap sliced the tree, it was as if it was a warning shot, if cap was trying to kill him he would have continued attacking. If the fight continued cap would have probably won. When Wolverine jumped Cap, cap was distracted if he was not he could have probably done enough damage to keep him down again.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

It was a few minutes before he actually pop his claws but how long before the damage was healed? He had no reason to pop his claws before he did, and I doubt the damage just finished healing before he released them in issue five. Crushed ligaments? Considering he has regrown his heart in three panels, I'd say a few seconds would rectify that damage.

Crap. Wolverine went beserk and tried to kill cap, when Wolverine goes beserk he pops his claws. He didnt because he couldnt.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

I doubt using tactics to make Wolverine mad would have worked well for Captain America.

You missed the point, its bad writing. Cap is one the coolest characters in Marvel , when does one of the most qucik-tempered heroes get to make the most mild mannered hero mad...bad writing. Im not saying Wolverine cant be cool, but using tactics on cap to make him bad is just stupid writing.

I agree that Cap had a great showing in the Origins fight. However, neither were operating at peak capacity, Wolverine had been going nonstop for how long?

And - the only way Cap would have been able to put Wolverine down is with that sword. Which is a non-standard weapon, and would not have been available in a 'forum match.' You know, the scenario you keep talking about?

Also, what comment did you make about that scan? I must have missed it. No hard feelings regardless, though.

Originally posted by Soljer
I agree that Cap had a great showing in the Origins fight. However, neither were operating at peak capacity, Wolverine had been going nonstop for how long?

Im sorry its PIS. Even if he had not been going for days if you look at both their showings there is nothing to suggest that the fight could not have turned out the way it did. I mean Wolverine is using tactics to try and get cap mad.....what a load of crap.

Originally posted by Soljer

And - the only way Cap would have been able to put Wolverine down is with that sword.

Er no.

Originally posted by Soljer

Which is a non-standard weapon, and would not have been available in a 'forum match.' You know, the scenario you keep talking about?

Sorry what scenario? Anyway that just goes to show how good cap is.....Anyway cap doesnt just know how to use his fists and shield.

http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capweaponws8.jpg

He also used his shield as a sword on Korvac.

Originally posted by Soljer

Also, what comment did you make about that scan? I must have missed it. No hard feelings regardless, though.

Well its the scan with cap throwing Terrax, I kinda hinted that it was PIS that cap was fast enough to throw him becuase Heralds have cosmic reflexes. I thought you kinda got pissed off cos you were just trying your best to contribute with the scans.

Oh, no. I wasn't using that feat to demonstrate any sort of speed on Cap's part.

Just that he could toss someone who weighed nearly three thousand pounds.

I agree that Wolverine getting Cap rattled is a little bit out of character.

That still doesn't mean that the fight itself was PIS.

Also, wasn't the Murasma blade theorized to be the only thing to kill Wolverine? :-\. Just asking. Because I really don't see what Cap's punches and kicks are gonna do to him. Even his shield throw was deflected by the likes of Wolverine's claws.

The sword gave Cap a principal advantage that he would not attain in a forum scenario. That was the scenario I was talking about - you continuously mentioned how that 'if this was a forum battle' then Cap would have been the victor.

If it were a forum battle, Steve wouldn't have been able to attain the sword. He wouldn't have been able to attain that advantage over Logan.

If this were a Wolverine that lacked a healing factor, I would certainly give Cap a majority of wins - based on comparable strength and speed, and a skill favoring to Cap.

However, with it? Steve just won't be taking Wolverine for a majority.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats were your wrong he knows how to use swords. One time when cap had his shield replaced he had a shield that could change into any weapon. He used all sorts of weapons to fight such as poles and bats, he also used a sword to kill Korvac. I dont know if he good as the silver samurai but he has trained in other weapons.

I never said Cap couldn't use a sword, I said he isn't a Silver Samurai and he isn't, he probably isn't even a Shatterstar. Is Cap good with a blade? Sure but he is out of his element which isn't a good thing when the guy you are fighting looks horns with the best swordsmen in Marvel... and was trained in Bushido by an immortal swordsman who punked Musashi.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What makes you think Wolverine is good enough to avoid cap? As I was saying when cap sliced the tree, it was as if it was a warning shot, if cap was trying to kill him he would have continued attacking. If the fight continued cap would have probably won. When Wolverine jumped Cap, cap was distracted if he was not he could have probably done enough damage to keep him down again.

The last time Wolverine fought Silver Samurai he was casually side stepping and avoiding his attacks with a smile on his face, and Harada is more skilled with a Katana then Cap. It stands to reason that Wolverine would fair better against Captain America with a sword then he would against Silver Samurai with a sword.

That slash was aimed at Wolverine's neck not the tree. Now I'm sure Cap expected Wolverine to dodge it but if he hadn't it would have messed Wolverine up big time. If the fight continued Cap was just as likely to pass out form that blood clot as he was to finish of Wolverine with the Muramasa blade... likely more considering his leg was messed up and his foot work would be sloppy as a result.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Crap. Wolverine went beserk and tried to kill cap, when Wolverine goes beserk he pops his claws. He didnt because he couldnt.

In a berserker rage Wolverine acts on instinct alone. The Muramasa blade is supposed to forged with the evil of Wolverine's soul (or something stupid like that), it seems reasonable that in a berserker rage he would crave to have the sword in his possession. In a normal situation his instincts would be shouting "Pop the claws!" put in this case he was getting "Grab the sword."

Originally posted by Alfheim
You missed the point, its bad writing. Cap is one the coolest characters in Marvel , when does one of the most qucik-tempered heroes get to make the most mild mannered hero mad...bad writing. Im not saying Wolverine cant be cool, but using tactics on cap to make him bad is just stupid writing.

It's not that bad writing. Guys like Wolverine and Punisher always seem to be able to push Captain America's buttons even on their best days, and in this case I'm sure Cap is harbouring some animosity form EotS and now Wolverine is targeting government officials for assassination and breaking into the White House. Its a pretty sure bet that Steve would be on edge, and you'd have to be an idiot not to exploit that.

Originally posted by Soljer
Oh, no. I wasn't using that feat to demonstrate any sort of speed on Cap's part.

Just that he could toss someone who weighed nearly three thousand pounds.

Ok.

Originally posted by Soljer

I agree that Wolverine getting Cap rattled is a little bit out of character.

That still doesn't mean that the fight itself was PIS.

Well maybe not PIS, but if you look at both their showings cap is the smarter fighter, but im not saying that Wolverine isnt smart, just not as smart.

Originally posted by Soljer

Also, wasn't the Murasma blade theorized to be the only thing to kill Wolverine? :-\. Just asking. Because I really don't see what Cap's punches and kicks are gonna do to him. Even his shield throw was deflected by the likes of Wolverine's claws.

The sword gave Cap a principal advantage that he would not attain in a forum scenario. That was the scenario I was talking about - you continuously mentioned how that 'if this was a forum battle' then Cap would have been the victor.

If it were a forum battle, Steve wouldn't have been able to attain the sword. He wouldn't have been able to attain that advantage over Logan.

If this were a Wolverine that lacked a healing factor, I would certainly give Cap a majority of wins - based on comparable strength and speed, and a skill favoring to Cap.

However, with it? Steve just won't be taking Wolverine for a majority.

Well this is what im saying. The fact that cap managed to get the sword off Wolverine shows you how good cap is. Wolverine had an advantage over cap with the sword because he has claws AND a sword and all his other powers but cap managed to take away his claws and his sword....therefore without the sword cap would have done even better againt wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I never said Cap couldn't use a sword, I said he isn't a Silver Samurai and he isn't, he probably isn't even a Shatterstar. Is Cap good with a blade? Sure but he is out of his element which isn't a good thing when the guy you are fighting looks horns with the best swordsmen in Marvel... and was trained in Bushido by an immortal swordsman who punked Musashi.

The last time Wolverine fought Silver Samurai he was casually side stepping and avoiding his attacks with a smile on his face, and Harada is more skilled with a Katana then Cap. It stands to reason that Wolverine would fair better against Captain America with a sword then he would against Silver Samurai with a sword.

http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capweaponws8.jpg

Well this is what cap did against The Red Skull powered by the cosmic cube. The Red Skull is also a martial arts expert. I know its not a sword but I think logic dictates that he can do this with a pole he probably could be just as good with the sword. In all fairness he creeped up behind Korvac and used the sword. Im just using logic if he can do this with the pole he can probably do it with a sword. Cap was also good enough to wound Wolverine with the sword anyway.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

That slash was aimed at Wolverine's neck not the tree. Now I'm sure Cap expected Wolverine to dodge it but if he hadn't it would have messed Wolverine up big time.

Exactly this is where cap would have won the fight. Cap missed deliberately because cap didnt want to mess him up he wanted to hand him over.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

If the fight continued Cap was just as likely to pass out form that blood clot as he was to finish of Wolverine with the Muramasa blade... likely more considering his leg was messed up and his foot work would be sloppy as a result.

Well no, cap could have lasted long enough to mess Wolverine with the blade. Look how much damage cap took before the clot took effect. If had not been distracted the chances are he could have used it more effectively, so all that happened was that cap made Wolverine madder.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

In a berserker rage Wolverine acts on instinct alone. The Muramasa blade is supposed to forged with the evil of Wolverine's soul (or something stupid like that), it seems reasonable that in a berserker rage he would crave to have the sword in his possession. In a normal situation his instincts would be shouting "Pop the claws!" put in this case he was getting "Grab the sword."

Speculation. If he is acting on instinct he would "grab" the nearest thing to him and the nearest thing is his claws.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

It's not that bad writing. Guys like Wolverine and Punisher always seem to be able to push Captain America's buttons even on their best days, and in this case I'm sure Cap is harbouring some animosity form EotS and now Wolverine is targeting government officials for assassination and breaking into the White House. Its a pretty sure bet that Steve would be on edge, and you'd have to be an idiot not to exploit that.

Meh.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine was punching Cap in the back of the head because he entered a berseker rage after Cap slashed him; which is what would have happened if the fight would have continued.

I think the POVs for this fight are a bit too one-sided one way or the other. This reading of the match is just criminal.

Originally posted by Soljer
Revenge? 😕 No.

Anyways, I OWN the origins fight, let me break it down for you:

1. Steve blocks Logans claws with his shield.
2. Steve smashes Logan's face with the shield.
3. Logan flips away and kicks Cap in the face.
4. They circle and Logan attacks. Cap dodges.
5. Cap punches Logan.
6. Logan deflects a SHIELD THROW with his friggin claws.
7. Cap tackles Logan to the ground and disables his claws while Logan puts the clot in Steve's leg.
8. Logan kicks Cap off of him and away.
9. Cap has the sword, and that ends the fight...for the moment.
10. Logan tries to attack Cap and gets slashed across the chest, leaving Wolverine to go into his berserker state.
11. He tackles Cap from behind, throws his shield away, punches him twice in the head, rips the sword out of Cap's hands,
12. As Cap is standing to defend himself he [b]falls to the ground. Out of exhaustion.
13. Wolverine is about to FINISH CAP OFF with the Murasma sword until he gets hit by Hellion.

It isn't a conclusive victory for Logan by any means - Cap obviously had the upper hand in the first part of the fight. But when Logan went into his berserker state, he was stomping on Cap. It definitely isn't the best evidence to use for EITHER side. [/B]

I still think Cap clearly wins the bruhaha before Nuke interferes. Had Cap actually thought to slash his back or stab him in the gut with the sword when Wolvie was completely off-guard, that would have been pure K.O. Luckily for both Logan and Cap (cause he's not a killer), he just chopped the tree in half to prove a point. It would be eminently reasonable for Cap to do such a thing because it appeared he didn't know what the blade's true nature was until he saw Logan's reaction. Logan's lucky he didn't go a step further. And in the end, it was Logan's underestimation of Cap that led him to drop his guard and he lost because of it. Even if you don't agree with this theory, he clearly gives up at that point, so T.K.O.

I agree to a certain extent that Wolvie may have been just waiting for the clot to form. Like Wolvie supporters say, more blood flow, more chances for the clot to move through the system. But what they also fail to see is that they were both utterly calm at that point and Cap's word balloons, which just prior to his nabbing of the sword were all squiggly to show exhaustion and evince detioration, had regained their composure. Cap had regained complete control, frog marching him with his shield and sword and Wolvie's back to him. Nuke's interference and Wolvie's berserker rage clearly got Cap's blood flowing and had none of that happened, it was more than likely that Cap would have just marched him back to the helicopter (which I know was not coming, but that was Cap's plan). If Wolvie fans want to argue that he was waiting for his blood clot to move to his brain, than recognize that Cap regained composure and any further aggravation of his condition was completely Nuke's fault.

Sick fight. Wolvie's use of the blood clot was genius and forced on his part since he didn't want to kill Cap in any way, just make him give up. But to those who see this as Wolvie unfairly holding back in spite of himself, just remember, Cap does it all the time and luckily for Logan, he held back with the Muramasa sword. In the end, I think the fight left both fighters in a positive light. Wolvie's tired, not 100%, yet still combative and strategically genius and was one step away from putting Cap down had he not underestimated him. But that's his mistake and he paid for it.

Cap 6/10. I got respect for Wolvie and that fight in Origins compounded it. But Cap still takes majority and I think the fight is proof of it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I think the POVs for this fight are a bit too one-sided one way or the other. This reading of the match is just criminal.
It totally forgets that Wolvie's deflection of Cap's shield throw was calculated by Cap. It also completely ignores Nuke distracting Cap which allows Wolverine to bonk him from behind. I think the fairest reading is that Wolverine was not in the best shape. But he had an additional weapon with him. I don't think it quite evens up his so-called "disadvantage," but having an extra weapon is an advantage (and having your healing factor slowed down is not the worst disadvantage ever, gawd... oh no... my pwnerz healing factor has slowed down by half... poor handicapped Wolvie... someone get him a wheelchair!).

it's like you're either ignoring certan facts here or you don't understand them....

Okay, having his healing factor slowed down IS A LOT MORE OF A HANDICAP than you're making it out to be... wolverine's healing factor is so staggered that he's passed out from simple exhaustion by this point, he's been forced to eat half of his own arm for sustanance....

AND WHAT YOU'RE IGNORING is the fact that wolverine ALREADY FOUGHT NUKE, and that it wasn't wolverine but cap to be the FIRST TO USE CHEAP SHOTS, when he entered thebatlefield and AGAIN when logan turned his back on cap while trying to explain the situation (right before cap thew his shield)....
so....there....

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Sarcasm aside, Cap's just good enough to turn Wolvie's weapon advantage around on him. He does it all the time. Wolvie is shown to be smart, sharp and calculating and Cap is in full fighting form. I don't see why Cap fans hate this fight, it was a great fight. Wolvie trying to piss of Rogers? Why not, he was trying to be smarter rather than rely on pure skills and Rogers didn't bite, to which Wolvie replied, "Damn."

I still think Cap clearly wins the bruhaha before Nuke interferes.

please, he didn't win squat.... he lost his weapon, and wolverine was on is way to healing... cap by way of PLOT, got ahold of THE ONLY WEAPON CAPABLE OF KILLING WOLVERINE. Ca was SEEMINGLY at an advantage... sure... but what would hae happened if he kept swingin that sword and wolvie kept doding? oh I don't know... propably what DID HAPPEN, cap ening on the ground in pain due to the blod lot.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Had Cap actually thought to slash his back or stab him in the gut with the sword when Wolvie was completely off-guard, that would have been pure K.O. Luckily for both Logan and Cap (cause he's not a killer), he just chopped the tree in half to prove a point. It would be eminently reasonable for Cap to do such a thing because it appeared he didn't know what the blade's true nature was until he saw Logan's reaction. Logan's lucky he didn't go a step further. And in the end, it was Logan's underestimation of Cap that led him to drop his guard and he lost because of it. Even if you don't agree with this theory, he clearly gives up at that point, so T.K.O.

wolverine didn't want to hurt cap, had the fight gone on, that's exactly what would have happened.. if cap had actually nailed wovlerine before falling to his blood clot, wolverine would have went into a berserker rage and..oh wait.. that's exactly what DID happen.. 😐

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I agree to a certain extent that Wolvie may have been just waiting for the clot to form. Like Wolvie supporters say, more blood flow, more chances for the clot to move through the system. But what they also fail to see is that they were both utterly calm at that point and Cap's word balloons, which just prior to his nabbing of the sword were all squiggly to show exhaustion and evince detioration, had regained their composure. Cap had regained complete control, frog marching him with his shield and sword and Wolvie's back to him. Nuke's interference and Wolvie's berserker rage clearly got Cap's blood flowing and had none of that happened, it was more than likely that Cap would have just marched him back to the helicopter (which I know was not coming, but that was Cap's plan).

if you know that's not what wuld happen then why say that it was likely? 🤨

in any case wolverine wasn't waiting for the clot to form, that's why he stopped fighting cap, if the fight went on cap would get dropped...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If Wolvie fans want to argue that he was waiting for his blood clot to move to his brain, than recognize that Cap regained composure and any further aggravation of his condition was completely Nuke's fault.

no what wolverine was doing was simple.. trying to talk to cap and explain the situation to "an old friend" before the continuation of any further hostilities.. like you know... when cap threw his shield at wolvie..

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Sick fight. Wolvie's use of the blood clot was genius and forced on his part since he didn't want to kill Cap in any way, just make him give up. But to those who see this as Wolvie unfairly holding back in spite of himself, just remember, Cap does it all the time and luckily for Logan, he held back with the Muramasa sword. In the end, I think the fight left both fighters in a positive light. Wolvie's tired, not 100%, yet still combative and strategically genius and was one step away from putting Cap down had he not underestimated him. But that's his mistake and he paid for it.

it doesn't have anything to do with wolvie underestimating him, rather more likely just forgettin about the sword, and paid for it?

how in the hell did he pay for it?

he ended up RAILING right through cap, nearly killing hellion AND cyclops all at once... yeah.. he paid for it alright.. 🙄

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Cap 6/10. I got respect for Wolvie and that fight in Origins compounded it. But Cap still takes majority and I think the fight is proof of it.

that fight is nothing more than proof that a VERY deteriorated wolverine, who's already been in a fight, and sneak attacked by cap, can take it to cap regardless, and that cap needs a plot device like the muramasa to stay in the game... and under the fury of a berserker rage AND HELP even that's not enough to keep cap from ending up on the ground and wolverine from walking away.

not, to mention, the only other two times these two scrapped it up, wolverine pounded cap once, and cap regretted rilin wolverine up on the second.

yeah he takes the majority alright... 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
it's like you're either ignoring certan facts here or you don't understand them....

Okay, having his healing factor slowed down IS A LOT MORE OF A HANDICAP than you're making it out to be... wolverine's healing factor is so staggered that he's passed out from simple exhaustion by this point, he's been forced to eat half of his own arm for sustanance....

AND WHAT YOU'RE IGNORING is the fact that wolverine ALREADY FOUGHT NUKE, and that it wasn't wolverine but cap to be the FIRST TO USE CHEAP SHOTS, when he entered thebatlefield and AGAIN when logan turned his back on cap while trying to explain the situation (right before cap thew his shield)....
so....there....

please, he didn't win squat.... he lost his weapon, and wolverine was on is way to healing... cap by way of PLOT, got ahold of THE ONLY WEAPON CAPABLE OF KILLING WOLVERINE. Ca was SEEMINGLY at an advantage... sure... but what would hae happened if he kept swingin that sword and wolvie kept doding? oh I don't know... propably what DID HAPPEN, cap ening on the ground in pain due to the blod lot.

What thehell are you talking about cap DID swing the sword, andyour theoryof his intention is purely speculation...

wolverine didn't want to hurt cap, had the fight gone on, that's exactly what would have happened.. if cap had actually nailed wovlerine before falling to his blood clot, wolverine would have went into a berserker rage and..oh wait.. that's exactly what DID happen.. 😐

if you know that's not what wuld happen then why say that it was likely? 🤨

in any case wolverine wasn't waiting for the clot to form, that's why he stopped fighting cap, if the fight went on cap would get dropped...

no what wolverine was doing was simple.. trying to talk to cap and explain the situation to "an old friend" before the continuation of any further hostilities.. like you know... when cap threw his shield at wolvie..

it doesn't have anything to do with wolvie underestimating him, rather more likely just forgettin about the sword, and paid for it?

how in the hell did he pay for it?

he ended up RAILING right through cap, nearly killing hellion AND cyclops all at once... yeah.. he paid for it alright.. 🙄

that fight is nothing more than proof that a VERY deteriorated wolverine, who's already been in a fight, and sneak attacked by cap, can take it to cap regardless, and that cap needs a plot device like the muramasa to stay in the game... and under the fury of a berserker rage AND HELP even that's not enough to keep cap from ending up on the ground and wolverine from walking away.

not, to mention, the only other two times these two scrapped it up, wolverine pounded cap once, and cap regretted rilin wolverine up on the second.

yeah he takes the majority alright... 🙄

and the second time, wolverine using the hematoma bullshit was about as much of a plot device as the muramasa. the man cut cap's leg with a kick like it was a knife...yeah reallllly realistic... Cap should took his ****ing head off and put him outta buisness.

And a very detiorated wolverine??? he didnt look detiorated against nuke, or against cap, he just got his wrists crushed, and couldve been beheaded if cap wanted to.

Some beaten up robot grabs caps leg after the fight and that gets cap punched in the back of the head.

now was anything i said their false or oppioniated? no those were all facts.

Wolverine has never pounded Captain america, their first fight ended prematurley, there second fight ended with cap KOing wolverine with a shield, and their third fight ended with cap escorting wolverine.

Originally posted by King KAM
the two times they fought, the first time all wolverine got in was a lousy headbutt after cap put him through a car... but you know this...

and the second time, wolverine using the hematoma bullshit was about as much of a plot device as the muramasa. the man cut cap's leg with a kick like it was a knife...yeah reallllly realistic... Cap should took his ****ing head off and put him outta buisness.

And a very detiorated wolverine??? he didnt look detiorated against nuke, or against cap, he just got his wrists crushed, and couldve been beheaded if cap wanted to.

Some beaten up robot grabs caps leg after the fight and that gets cap punched in the back of the head.

now was anything i said their false or oppioniated? no those were all facts.

Wolverine has never pounded Captain america, their first fight ended prematurley, there second fight ended with cap KOing wolverine with a shield, and their third fight ended with cap escorting wolverine.

1)The first fight cap was saved had he not been tranquilized and no he wouldn't have moved the sheild in time to block as he was overpowered. 2) The second fight wasn't much of a fight as Cap snuck up on him and smashed him 3) The third fight was not in Cap's favor, even after grabbing the sword it was not going to help cap because wolverine could've dodged all day (he was dodging near face optic blasts from cyclops) but he opted and let cap's leg screw him over ( which is what happened when the x-men showed up) would've killed him. Cap was struggling with an already worn out wolverine, do you really believe he could've taken on wolverine moments later after wolverine had fully recovered from his battle with nuke.

Originally posted by King KAM
the two times they fought, the first time all wolverine got in was a lousy headbutt after cap put him through a car... but you know this...

actually the first time they cross eachother is in a captain america annual...

what you're reffering to is the second fight... and
uhh yeah a lousy headbutt... riiiight... 😐 a lousy headbutt that had cap grabbing his own head in pain, and again wolverine would have ended that fight with a claw strike if not for being interupted...

and no, cap wasn't about to raise his shield up.. if he was he wouldn't have been injected with a needle in his neck..

Originally posted by King KAM
and the second time, wolverine using the hematoma bullshit was about as much of a plot device as the muramasa. the man cut cap's leg with a kick like it was a knife...yeah reallllly realistic... Cap should took his ****ing head off and put him outta buisness.

wait? fighting ability is as much a plot device as the one and only sword capible of putting wolverine down for the count?

in spite of the muramasa NOT being a part of cap's arsenal, and fighting ability BEING a part of wolverine's? 😕

uh...huh.... 😬

and uhhh bloodclots can easily form from bruises (for a fighter you seemed to forget about this) ... wolverine has an adamantium skeleton he can EASILY cause bruises, calcium deposits, etc etc...

Originally posted by King KAM
And a very detiorated wolverine??? he didnt look detiorated against nuke, or against cap, he just got his wrists crushed, and couldve been beheaded if cap wanted to.

how often does wolverine fall to the ground bleeding his face off from two hits like the one's nuke hit him with?
how often does it take logan to heal something like minimal forearm damage? seriously
the same guy who heals from having all his organs turned to jelly by hulk and healing them before the next hit, a guy who takes dozen's of fatal clips from sabretooth and keeps fighting like a madman, a guy who regrew his heart in 3 panals, who regrew from an admantium skeleton in 3 minutes... TWICE. But he can't heal his forearms in a few seconds to fight cap?

not only this but the fact that cap already did similar damage to wolverine's forearms back in that 80's annual and wolverine healed from it by the next panal...

but he wasn't deteriorated?

Originally posted by King KAM
Some beaten up robot grabs caps leg after the fight and that gets cap punched in the back of the head.

after cutting wolverine with the muramasa and underestimating him, turning his back on logan.

Originally posted by King KAM
now was anything i said their false or oppioniated?

Actually yes....

Originally posted by King KAM
the first time all wolverine got in

-false: it wasn't their first fight, it was their second.

Originally posted by King KAM
cap put him through a car

-false: it wasn't a car it was a jeep.

Originally posted by King KAM
was a lousy headbutt

-opinionated: for a "lousy headbutt" it certainly looked like cap was hurtin.

Originally posted by King KAM
wolverine using the hematoma bullshit was about as much of a plot device as the muramasa

-opinionated: you're calling fighting ability a plot device. 😬

Originally posted by King KAM
he didnt look detiorated against nuke, or against cap,

-opinionated: the fight with nuke, and origins and endings all do well to prove this.

Originally posted by King KAM
and couldve been beheaded if cap wanted to.

-opinionated: when cap did swing the sword he missed... there's no telling how long wolverine could have avoided him, no telling how long it would take for the clot to set... so cap decapitating him is nothing more than wishful thinking.

Originally posted by King KAM
no those were all facts.

No, I've posted facts..

you've posted biased nonsense.

Originally posted by King KAM
Wolverine has never pounded Captain america, their first fight ended prematurley,

had it continued cap would be dead.

Originally posted by King KAM
there second fight ended with cap KOing wolverine with a shield,

you're calling THAT a fight? the enemy of the state incident?

Seriously?......WTF?

that wasn't a fight, that was cap blasting wolverine with a sneak attack after wolverine survived an exploding collision with the blackbird, and being put through the ringer by half the x-roster...

Originally posted by King KAM
and their third fight ended with cap escorting wolverine.

actually it ended with hyperion's life flashing before his eyes, cap on the ground crying ot in pain, and cyclops cowering in front of wolverine wih nuke cut into peices off to the side somewhere. but whateva.

Originally posted by jasonk3
1)The first fight cap was saved had he not been tranquilized and no he wouldn't have moved the sheild in time to block as he was overpowered. 2) The second fight wasn't much of a fight as Cap snuck up on him and smashed him 3) The third fight was not in Cap's favor, even after grabbing the sword it was not going to help cap because wolverine could've dodged all day (he was dodging near face optic blasts from cyclops) but he opted and let cap's leg screw him over ( which is what happened when the x-men showed up) would've killed him. Cap was struggling with an already worn out wolverine, do you really believe he could've taken on wolverine moments later after wolverine had fully recovered from his battle with nuke.

Damn right cap smashed his ass

Wolverine couldve dodge all day?? wolverine has never done a good job of dodging captain america. He was tired, he couldnt use his claws and was hurt, Cap couldve sliced his ass to pieces, but he didnt because Logan did what he said.

And as for him dodging cyclops, he was in a berserker rage, and cap still dropped him, he was healed and cap wasnt. So if cap can tag a berserker wolverine, with a punch, he can land one on a hurt one with a sword.

Originally posted by jinzin
actually the first time they cross eachother is in a captain america annual...

what you're reffering to is the second fight... and
uhh yeah a lousy headbutt... riiiight... 😐 a lousy headbutt that had cap grabbing his own head in pain, and again wolverine would have ended that fight with a claw strike if not for being interupted...

and no, cap wasn't about to raise his shield up.. if he was he wouldn't have been injected with a needle in his neck..

wait? fighting ability is as much a plot device as the one and only sword capible of putting wolverine down for the count?

in spite of the muramasa NOT being a part of cap's arsenal, and fighting ability BEING a part of wolverine's? 😕

uh...huh.... 😬

and uhhh bloodclots can easily form from bruises (for a fighter you seemed to forget about this) ... wolverine has an adamantium skeleton he can EASILY cause bruises, calcium deposits, etc etc...

cap tried to hit him with the sword.. cap missed...
and yes very deteriorated....

how often does wolverine fall to the ground bleeding his face off from two hits like the one's nuke hit him with?
how often does it take logan to heal something like minimal forearm damage? seriously
the same guy who heals from having all his organs turned to jelly by hulk and healing them before the next hit, a guy who takes dozen's of fatal clips from sabretooth and keeps fighting like a madman, a guy who regrew his heart in 3 panals, who regrew from an admantium skeleton in 3 minutes... TWICE. But he can't heal his forearms in a few seconds to fight cap?

not only this but the fact that cap already did similar damage to wolverine's forearms back in that 80's annual and wolverine healed from it by the next panal...

but he wasn't deteriorated?

after cutting wolverine with the muramasa and underestimating him, turning his back on logan.

Actually yes....

-false: it wasn't their first fight, it was their second.

-false: it wasn't a car it was a jeep.

-opinionated: for a "lousy headbutt" it certainly looked like cap was hurtin.

-opinionated: you're calling fighting ability a plot device. 😬

-opinionated: the fight with nuke, and origins and endings all do well to prove this.

-opinionated: when cap did swing the sword he missed... there's no telling how long wolverine could have avoided him, no telling how long it would take for the clot to set... so cap decapitating him is nothing more than wishful thinking.

No, I've posted facts..

you've posted biased nonsense.

had it continued cap would be dead.

you're calling THAT a fight? the enemy of the state incident?

Seriously?......WTF?

that wasn't a fight, that was cap blasting wolverine with a sneak attack after wolverine survived an exploding collision with the blackbird, and being put through the ringer by half the x-roster...

actually it ended with hyperion's life flashing before his eyes, cap on the ground crying ot in pain, and cyclops cowering in front of wolverine wih nuke cut into peices off to the side somewhere. but whateva.

As for me mistaking a car for a jeep, sue me.
And i have no recelection of their first fight, would u like to tell me the exact issue so i can DL and see how it went?
Also Cap wasnt trying to kill wolverine with that swing, or else why didnt he ever swing again? it was a warning, we all know that, but I know how sometimes you like to use sarcasm in your posts....and twist around what people say.
also, the last time wolverine was burned to a skeleton...he didnt regenerate back in 3 minutes...
SECOND fight- inconclusive
Third fight-Cap pwned him
fourth fight-Wolverine was escorted.

Originally posted by King KAM
cap wasnt going to grab the sheild in time??? I mean he ALWAYS does in every other occasion, so why wouldnt he this time??? I say he was going to grab the shield, you say he wasnt, fact of the matter is it was inconclusive so we will never know.

Originally posted by King KAM
Wolverine couldve dodge all day?? wolverine has never done a good job of dodging captain america. He was tired, he couldnt use his claws and was hurt, Cap couldve sliced his ass to pieces, but he didnt because Logan did what he said.

how do you know cap could have?... hell, wolverine could have just ran for it... cap would have got that blood clot set in just running after the guy.

Originally posted by King KAM
And as for him dodging cyclops, he was in a berserker rage, and cap still dropped him, he was healed and cap wasnt.

Originally posted by King KAM
So if cap can tag a berserker wolverine, with a punch, he can land one on a hurt one with a sword.

oh please... even cap statedat that moment that wolverine was zeroed in on hellion..