Originally posted by Martian_mind
Plus the ramification that with the death of the most powerful Yonkou, the whole balance of three powers has been thrown out of wack.
Not to mention with the shichibukai, two more have gone rogue, Jinbei and Blackbeard.
Boa's position is probably safe despite her antics, because the World Government likely needs them badly with what Teach just pulled, and it'd be bad enough to be at 5 Shichibukai, let alone the 4 they'd be at if they lost her too. I wouldn't even be surprised if Croc got his job back.
I get how the order of things in One Piece is messed up but I don't think Boa would be that useful. You can argue this point against me but she kind of sucks IMO. She has a high class of haki but that can be outdone by something(its One Piece) and her devil fruit power is lame;she turns people who have the hots for her into stone and the ability can be negated by fear or pain I believe. Lame.
The Croc notice I can understand, but I'm just waiting for Luffy to go apesh*t on somebody. Anybody with me?
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I get how the order of things in One Piece is messed up but I don't think Boa would be that useful. You can argue this point against me but she kind of sucks IMO. She has a high class of haki but that can be outdone by something(its One Piece)
It can be outdone by something- but the other Shichibukai can all be beaten by something too, so isn't that pointless to say? She's still up there with the others.
The only thing Shanks has is haki and a sword, and he's a yonkou!
Heck, she took out multiple Kuma-bots in short order. The Strawhats combined had problem with one.
I don't really get your objection honestly- she can wipe out armies of mooks with her DF power, and outdoes any of the straw hats and all but two of the shichibukai physically thanks to her Haki, as well as letting her clobber Logia users and the like.
Haki + fruit doesn't make her invincible, but it does pretty clearly make her on a level where she could beat several of the other Shichibukai.
and her devil fruit power is lame;she turns people who have the hots for her into stone and the ability can be negated by fear or pain I believe.
Only if it completely blanks out the mind, and that's mostly going to be a few badasses like the vice admiral, or extreme cowards.
Still, it is rather secondary to her main combat ability, Royal Haki-powered HtH and arrows. The fruit's mostly for crowd control, which she can do better than anyone.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
...several Shichibukai?Active ones I mean.
Kuma, Flamingo and Mihawk stomp her.
Moira and Crocodile, yes, but they are the weakest of the shichibukai...
Jinbei would stomp her in his element....
Kuma and Mihawk, sure (though Mihawk is probably not going to have as easy a time of it as you might think- Luffy used his Haki to avoid Mihawk's blade). Flamingo, I'm not sure if he's one of the ones who'd be able to resist her devil fruit judging on his personality. If he can, yea, he's hell on physical fighters, Mihawk and Jinbei would have the same problem.
Jinbei, stomp in his element (of course), a badass fight outside of it.
So yea, Boa's not a top Shichibukai, but she's maybe middle of the road.
There's also some rock-paper-scissors going on with Shichibukai powers-wise. DoFlamingo is pretty clearly one of the strongest in most respects, but what would he be able to do against Croc? Can't cut sand, can't puppet a cloud of sand. Moria might be able to avoid him by switching with his shadow too.
About the only one who's not at a disadvantage to one or more of the others is Kuma.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Kuma is probably the strongest Shichibukai me thinks, although Mihawk gives off the impression of having yet to actually use his all in a fight.
One thing that surprised me to learn recently is- no signs of haki so far. Meaning, his offense is insane, but he's kinda in trouble against logia users and people like Buggy (well, if Buggy was actually strong enough to be a worry).
Why is Crocodile one of the weakest Shichibukai? Physically, sure, Croc is not special, but his DF his hax as all hell.
Probably because he does have a somewhat easy weakness, though you're right that without that he's totally hax.
I figure Croc could take DoFlamingo, Moria (armies aren't good against sandstorms), and Mihawk.
He could probably last awhile against Kuma- paw paw blasts won't do a lot to him- but I don't think he has the offense to do much in return.
Jinbei it depends entirely on where they're standing when the fight starts but as long as Jinbei has a nice water source he should stomp Croc.
Flamingo and Kuma have been outright called the two great powers of the Shichibukai.
Not to mention that we've yet to see even a fraction of Flamingo's real power, for all we know he could have Haki. Hell, he's pretty much dicked around the entire arc while facing upper-tier opponents. If Crocodile could have stomped him, he would have back at Marineford.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Flamingo and Kuma have been outright called the two great powers of the Shichibukai.
But that doesn't mean they're the best for all situations.
(Btw, where does it say that? I remember they were called powerful and such, but I don't remember them being singled out as stronger than the rest)
Flamingo being one of the strongest is for an obvious reason- the puppet thing allows him to instantly stop even some majorly powerful foes like Josu. It's an insta-win power against some of the most powerful pirates in the world and by getting powerful fighters to turn on their allies he can crush even major resistance in no time.
However even an insta-win power doesn't work against everyone though, or necessarily grant a win when an opponent also has a win-power.
Not to mention that we've yet to see even a fraction of Flamingo's real power, for all we know he could have Haki.
It's an outside possibility, but unlikely. He's shown no signs of it and developing it takes a lot of practice, and wouldn't be much use to his puppetry. More than likely he's focused on developing his devilfruit powers instead.
Hell, he's pretty much dicked around the entire arc while facing upper-tier opponents. If Crocodile could have stomped him, he would have back at Marineford.
Croc asked him to be his subordinate after DoFlamingo asked for a teamup, so he clearly wasn't in awe of his power 🙂
And the main reason Croc should win is that DoFlamingo shouldn't be able to do much of anything to him, not that he'd insta-stomp him.
Just because a fight's decided due to one side's resistances or similar advantage doesn't mean it's immediate, especially with fighters of shichibukai level.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its like Big head said in Impel Down, you never know how two abilities are gonna match up.Though DoFlamingo could just get Croc to jump in the sea. 😬
His power seems to work like invisible strings, so Croc should be able to counter simply by going sand.
When they met at the fight, Doflamingo didn't try to control him at any point.
Hm, though then again, Doflamingo didn't seem to hesitant to take him either, so presumably he can do something against Logia... still, he went for the physical against Croc.
Something else I just noticed about Boa's fruit- in hand to hand, she was turning, not just people, but inanimate objects to stone. It might be that lust/love is just needed to do so at range, but she also has some melee stone powers that don't need emotions, and her kiss-bullet hurt Luffy even though he's immune to stone, so it has non-stone uses too. That helps her out in comparisons a bit.
Originally posted by Q99
(Btw, where does it say that? I remember they were called powerful and such, but I don't remember them being singled out as stronger than the rest)It's an outside possibility, but unlikely. He's shown no signs of it and developing it takes a lot of practice, and wouldn't be much use to his puppetry. More than likely he's focused on developing his devilfruit powers instead.
Croc asked him to be his subordinate after DoFlamingo asked for a teamup, so he clearly wasn't in awe of his power 🙂
Their introduction, Mihawk calls them the two great powers of the Shichibukai.
Crocodile also told Mihawk to GTFO or be mowed down, talked to Jinbei like a punk and believed he was capable of being a threat to Whitebeard. He's just an arrogant dick 🙂
Saying Flamingo is incapable of harming Croc is just speculation, simply for the fact that we have no idea of the full extent of his abilities.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Their introduction, Mihawk calls them the two great powers of the Shichibukai.Crocodile also told Mihawk to GTFO or be mowed down, talked to Jinbei like a punk and believed he was capable of being a threat to Whitebeard. He's just an arrogant dick 🙂
Granted, though I'd say Shichibukai *are* threats to Yonkou 🙂 Not even matches of course, but if their back happens to be turned...
Moria was a former rival of one of the other Yonkou (probably with a really impressive crew at that point).
Saying Flamingo is incapable of harming Croc is just speculation, simply for the fact that we have no idea of the full extent of his abilities.
True. Still, Croc seems less vulnerable than most.
Originally posted by Q99Granted, though I'd say Shichibukai *are* threats to Yonkou 🙂 Not even matches of course, but if their back happens to be turned...
Moria was a former rival of one of the other Yonkou (probably with a really impressive crew at that point).
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That might be relevant if Croc was Moria and Whitebeard wasn't...well Whitebeard.
Whitebeard is universally hailed as the strongest man alive, and proved it by crushing some of the most powerful individuals in the series. His treatment of Blackbeard as a punk puts him on a completely different tier then Shanks, and thus the other Yonkou. A Shichibukai that's not Croc being a rival to Yonkou that's not Whitebeard is no defence for a comment from Crocodile that either shows immense arrogance or stupidity, and Croc doesn't strike me as stupid.